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Old 11-06-2009, 08:18 AM   #31
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I wonder what state is next .

To bad its STILL A FEDERAL CRIME...
it's one thing to for something to be illegal.
it's another to actively enforce something illegal.
If you've been reading some of the other threads you will see that this isn't something that's been enforced dilligently.

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as of about two weeks ago federal policy is to not interfere, so long as it's legal at state level. so you can put that federal baby to bed right now.

New Medical Marijuana Policy: Obama Administration Will Not Seek Arrests For People Following State Laws

but, in this case, of course, it IS still illegal at the state level.
whatever, it's a symbolic gesture, it's still pretty amazing.
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they acctually mad it federally legal for medical patients. just seen it on the news
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I wonder what state is next .

To bad its STILL A FEDERAL CRIME...
Once other states see how much extra money they are missing out on they will change there mind. Then the fed's will just have to back down Hopefully. Then they can put all that money into finding the real drugs not waste billions on small time pot smokers.

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You don't have to be a hippy to smoke.
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Once other states see how much extra money they are missing out on they will change there mind. Then the fed's will just have to back down Hopefully. Then they can put all that money into finding the real drugs not waste billions on small time pot smokers.



110% agreed
Like I said earlier I am pretty sure all this did was eliminate the "cracking" down possession charges for marijuana. Smoking it, dealing it, or carry anything more than an ounce on ones person is a convictable crime. They state is not seeing a DIME, nowhere did they say they are selling marijuana at the corner store and taxing it. The cops will still find people and pull them over / question them, its now just that if they have an ounce of marijuana on them they have to find something else to write them a ticket for (which is exactly what will happen). To me personally I think its a horrible idea.
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I'm actually surprised WI hasn't done this already. I mean we already have the most lenient las against drunk driving in the country. I figured they'd be all over this.
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they acctually mad it federally legal for medical patients. just seen it on the news

im pretty sure thats false i believe they are still trying as always if they did im sure there would be a parade haha
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Like I said earlier I am pretty sure all this did was eliminate the "cracking" down possession charges for marijuana. Smoking it, dealing it, or carry anything more than an ounce on ones person is a convictable crime. They state is not seeing a DIME, nowhere did they say they are selling marijuana at the corner store and taxing it. The cops will still find people and pull them over / question them, its now just that if they have an ounce of marijuana on them they have to find something else to write them a ticket for (which is exactly what will happen). To me personally I think its a horrible idea.
No they are not making money YET. But it will all come in time. Just like iv said before, cali is taxing med marijuana and the government does make money from it.

Ill say this, its better to get a stupid ticket for something then go to jail/court for some pot.
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Once other states see how much extra money they are missing out on they will change there mind. Then the fed's will just have to back down Hopefully. Then they can put all that money into finding the real drugs not waste billions on small time pot smokers.
agreed

like pill poppers, thats a horrible addiction jsut like meth.
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im pretty sure thats false i believe they are still trying as always if they did im sure there would be a parade haha
nope im 110% positive that it is federally legal for medical patients only, oboma passed the law personally.


look if you dont believe me.....

New Medical Marijuana Policy: Obama Administration Will Not Seek Arrests For People Following State Laws
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No they are not making money YET. But it will all come in time. Just like iv said before, cali is taxing med marijuana and the government does make money from it.

Ill say this, its better to get a stupid ticket for something then go to jail/court for some pot.
Agreed. I havent smoked pot in years but I am not against legalizing it. Has anyone read the Grow Bible? Good reads, even if you dont smoke.
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hemp can be used to make everything better and stronger without killing our forrest. look at some of the things....

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In my opinion this will hurt Breckenridge. It would probably work for some town in the middle of nowhere that has nothing else going for it, but Breckenridge is already one of the most popular tourist/family destinations in Colorado. Once this news spreads more, I doubt people will be very eager to take their children on vacation to the only place in America where marijuana is legal. Plus weed tends to attract a not so desirable crowd, so I will be curious to see how their crime rate and such will compare in a few years.
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In my opinion this will hurt Breckenridge. It would probably work for some town in the middle of nowhere that has nothing else going for it, but Breckenridge is already one of the most popular tourist/family destinations in Colorado. Once this news spreads more, I doubt people will be very eager to take their children on vacation to the only place in America where marijuana is legal. Plus weed tends to attract a not so desirable crowd, so I will be curious to see how their crime rate and such will compare in a few years.
good point.

I think regardless of actual crime rates, families are going to frown on something like that.
from a purely economic point of view it's a very risky venture to do this for a town that already has a source of income.

exactly how well the town has been doing with their resort might be hard to say with data.
could also be that with the economic times, business has been slow.
maybe they are desparate.
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Old 11-08-2009, 12:26 AM   #45
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In my opinion this will hurt Breckenridge. It would probably work for some town in the middle of nowhere that has nothing else going for it, but Breckenridge is already one of the most popular tourist/family destinations in Colorado. Once this news spreads more, I doubt people will be very eager to take their children on vacation to the only place in America where marijuana is legal. Plus weed tends to attract a not so desirable crowd, so I will be curious to see how their crime rate and such will compare in a few years.
True story but...... crime rate will stay the same im pretty damn sure about that. When they pasted the new laws in Oakland CA just these past couple years that made marijuana less illegal crime rate actually went down. It will prob attract less family's yes, but with in the next 10 years im sure there will be atleast 2 states that will legalize pot. So ppl are just going to have to get use to it.

Dont hide and shelter your children from the truth ie weed WILL NOT kill you nor hurt you. Just because mom's and dad's dont want there kids around it dont fucking lie to them saying its going to ruin there life's and there going to be worthless bums if they touch it.

Best advice. Grow up, establish a life, get a good job and when you are out of school and know whats good for yourself and your family then smoke or dont smoke. But dont let someone else control your life and tell you what not to do or what to do. Do it after you get a life not while your in the middle of trying to make a name for yourself.
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P.s. it said 72% of the town voted yes for it. So im sure the town is not mad about it if almost 3/4 of the population voted for it.
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True story but...... crime rate will stay the same im pretty damn sure about that. When they pasted the new laws in Oakland CA just these past couple years that made marijuana less illegal crime rate actually went down.
Is that compared to the crime rate from when smoking/carrying marijuana was a crime?

Yesterday I saw a station wagon full of juggalo-looking 'people' with "HEADED 2 BREKENRIDGE" (quoted with the spelling error) written on the rear window.
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juggalo. dont you mean juffalo?

lol

I heard they are tryn to do this for all the states now.
so maybe some good news.
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Is that compared to the crime rate from when smoking/carrying marijuana was a crime?

Yesterday I saw a station wagon full of juggalo-looking 'people' with "HEADED 2 BREKENRIDGE" (quoted with the spelling error) written on the rear window.
They compared it from like 5 years ago to just like last year. Some shit like that ill have to find the article.

But we should not stereo type ppl. I fucking hate hate hate ppl assuming and im a "street racer" when I drive my 240 I do not street race nor put ppls life in danger when I drive. Im sure this group of ppl are going there to smoke and hang out but there also going to prob by gas and snacks there so in return there giving that community more money to spend on streets/schools/buildings/ ect ect. Who even knows maybe one of the grandparents live there.
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juggalo. dont you mean juffalo?

lol

I heard they are tryn to do this for all the states now.
so maybe some good news.
What legalize??
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They compared it from like 5 years ago to just like last year. Some shit like that ill have to find the article.

But we should not stereo type ppl. I fucking hate hate hate ppl assuming and im a "street racer" when I drive my 240 I do not street race nor put ppls life in danger when I drive. Im sure this group of ppl are going there to smoke and hang out but there also going to prob by gas and snacks there so in return there giving that community more money to spend on streets/schools/buildings/ ect ect. Who even knows maybe one of the grandparents live there.
Stereotypes exist because they usually have some truth to them. It doesn't matter whether its "street racers" or "potheads", it effects everyone... One bad apple spoills the bunch. While I do agree on the fact they will probably see some increased income does it really make that much? My guess is they did this to prove more of a point, and sadly we won't know how it works till atleast another year or two down the road. Either way Breckenridge IMO goes from a tourist attraction that attracted families, and other cliental, now attract some of the undesirables (mainly people who will visit it JUST because they can have Pot). Lets face it, most people in their early 20's aren't going there for the resorts.
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What legalize??
yes.

but its not gonna happen over night.
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yes.

but its not gonna happen over night.
Yeah. Its prob going to happen just like whats happen here one small town at a time is going to legalize then in like 10 years prob like 50% of america will be legalized.
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Eh...like someone already said, Colorado is, and has been, pretty lineant in regards to marijuana for some time now.

I remember walking through downtown Denver in like '05 and a couple of bums were smoking a joint maybe 150 yards from the state capitol.

This fight will come down to how powerful the anti-drug lobby vs. the pro-legalization lobby really is.

Right now this country is drifting back towards the pre-Nixon administration years. Which is fine by me. I guess I just don't have that sense of moral panic over peoples' personal choices.

The War on Drugs is bullshit anyway. Far more lives have been ruined due to this "war" than have been "saved".

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I pick Wyoming...or North Dakota.

And Fuck You to all the Utah haters.

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Yeah. Its prob going to happen just like whats happen here one small town at a time is going to legalize then in like 10 years prob like 50% of america will be legalized.

small towns will always be the test subjects.

plus tabacco companys like malboro and camel are already jumpin on this.

but still i rather grown my own, god know what they will put in it like ciggs.
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what im wondering is this, does the legalization of cannibus, make it now perfectly acceptable to use even for jobs that require drug tests??
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^^^
that's another can of worms

I would hope that employers retain the option of discriminating the hiring/firing of employees.
(at least for medical reasons).

It's one thing to legalize the substance.
It's quite another to force business to hire recreational pot users.
(that would be going too far imo).
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what im wondering is this, does the legalization of cannibus, make it now perfectly acceptable to use even for jobs that require drug tests??
i'd imagine that if it's legal where you live and where the job is, they couldn't possibly fire you for testing positive.
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that's another can of worms

I would hope that employers retain the option of discriminating the hiring/firing of employees.
(at least for medical reasons).

It's one thing to legalize the substance.
It's quite another to force business to hire recreational pot users.
(that would be going too far imo).
you're right, it is another can of worms. why should businesses hiring recreational marijuana users be any different than hiring people who consume alcohol? they're both legal.
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you're right, it is another can of worms. why should businesses hiring recreational marijuana users be any different than hiring people who consume alcohol? they're both legal.
I fucking hate how a alcoholic can stop drinking for 2 days and pass a test for a job. But yet if someone stopped smoking pot for a month could still fail.

I want to make a marijuana test that ONLY test for lets say if you smoked in the past 48 hours or some shit. Just like stupid ass hair test. You could stop smoking pot for 2 or 3 years but yet still come up dirty thats bull shit.

So when do you think jobs will start doing blood test or spinal taps and go 10 or 15 years back. Does it really fucking matter if you smoked weed 3 years ago. Company's look at it as if you smoked 3 years ago it will effect you now and your dangerous to work around ppl.
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eh, really they're only going back about three months, and there has to be a certain level of thc in your hair to test positive.
but i still agree 110% with you. and once pot is truly LEGAL, i'm sure a breathalyzer-like test that confirms you're high RIGHT NOW will show up.
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