prodigyJJ

On a side note. To say that it is only Bush that was spying on us is B.S. As I recall Obama has extended the patriot act...

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America really needs a 3rd party...

racepar1

All the doomsday "now we're all commy's" attitude is laughable. This thread cracks me up.

Those with the attitude that you are being ripped off and are paying for lazy people are just sad. If you have health insurance then you ought to know exactly how expensive is it. Public health is everyone's concern.

First of all I do not have healthcare provided to me. Nor can I afford to pay for healthcare on my own. Nor does my mommy and daddy carry me on their healthcare plans. Nor do I qualify for "Medi-Cal", which is state provided healthcare in Cali. I have been working and paying taxes since I was 16 fucking years old and I can't even see a doctor when I am sick. You all can fuck the hell off, that shit's not right. It is my personal belief that EVERY SINGLE U.S. citizen is ENTITLED to be able to see a doctor when they are sick. Those that DO work and are productive society members are ENTITLED to ACTUAL HEALTHCARE as well IMO. I am not for giving away things for free, but for fuck's sake we need to do something.

As for the CURRENT healthcare bill, I cannot say that I agree with all that I have heard. I also really am not very educated in it and I suspect that I would find more that I don't like about is if I took the time to look into it. I look at it as a step in the right direction, although somewhat mis-guided. The good thing is that it can, and likely will, be revised. We should all speak up about what we don't like, but let's not be greedy fucks.

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Drift N Dragg

I really dont like 2 things from this New Bill...

1: Getting Extra Taxed for someone else to have cheaper Health Insurance. It seems like every bill that passes is Geared at the Middle Class Worker.. Even those last year the House Of Reps, House of Senate, and Congress voted themselves a 50% Raise.. REALLY? ....... Really? As if they do not make enough with there Super High 5 Figure and Middle 6 Figure Salaries that they need 50% Raise.. Now Saying that, Wouldn't it have BEEN NICE to take that Raise money, given themselves like a 6% and put that other 42% into a healthcare pot? Hmmm sounds good to me..

2: Put me in Jail for not having Health Care? As if PEOPLE have enough on there plates... Now they are REQUIRED to have another Expensive Bill every month so that they will not go to Jail ... Wow...... Really? Not enough worries in the world, but let's just add another one on top of it... So they are telling me if I am 18 work at McDonald's for 32 hours a weeks ( under full time so that McDonalds does not have to give me health care option ) making 300 dollars NET Bi-Weekly if I am lucky.. That I now have to Purchase a Health care plan, Or I face Jail Time... Hmmmmm something fishy here...

If this has been stated before, oh well, I am just stating how I feel about this Bill after listening and reading information about it.

I am all for helping our fellow countrymen, but this is alittle extreme too me..

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jspaeth

I would consider feeling a little bad for you, but then I look at your posts on here and realize that you have enough money to hook up and race cars extensively.


Start buying healthcare before you go spending your money on cars.


That kind of bullshit is what is wrong with this country.

Healthcare, food, and shelter FIRST.

Then you can buy your I-phone, hook up your car, get HD cable service, HBO, iPod, chrome rims, etc.


What bullshit

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lflkajfj12123

1. The amount required to fuel this healthcare plan is 10000x more money than the bonus of their salaries. Using that money for healthcare plan would be negligible. Also higher salaries will improve their work effort and probably turn their head away to lobbyists. Just my thoughts.

2. I don't recall hearing anything about jail time, but maybe i'm just misinformed? I was under the understanding that if you don't have health care you will be fined annually. Not put in jail?

Matej

It is silly to me how some Americans are so strongly opposed to free/cheaper healthcare. I still do not understand your logic.
If healthcare was free, you would all be taking advantage of it. Just like when you received your stimulus checks. I bet none of you refused to cash those in.

Drift N Dragg

I did.. I put my Stimulus Check in a Saving account, because at the End of the year I was taxed on it.. Guess what.. I used it to pay back taxes.. so I gave them back what they gave me.

I think Its SILLY of SOME Americans to see this as a Free/Cheaper Health care, When its not, its only cheaper and/or free for the people that can not pay for it.. But the Rest of US that Bust our asses to get to the Pay grades and levels we did have to be Taxes Extra so that some Lazy ass can get free insurance on MY dime.. hmmm that is just sooooo Silly, isn't it

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jspaeth

Nothing is free, smart guy. It's costing someone else more, but I am sure that you are okay with that.

Amazes me how people are okay with letting other people pay for their shit

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prodigyJJ

I agree with the 3rd party comment. We desperately need a strong enough 3rd party to shake things up. We also should really have yearly evals of our politicians. Why does middle America have to worry about job cuts when the people that we elect don't? Fuck them. They aren't doing their jobs in the first place. Seriously. Check out all of the pork barrel spending going on. It's ridiculous, and I'll be the first to say that a representative of my state is the worst one. I think the health insurance industry should be reformed. Not national health care...yet

imotion s14

I'm not oppose to cheaper healthcare, I'm just smart enough to know that this plan isn't going to make anything cheaper.

I'm smart enough to know there is no such thing.

I paid about $5000 in income tax that year, and I got a dinky check back. Whoopee! Oh then since the stimuli was paid for with borrowed money, that means that it's gotta be paid back.. with interest! Double Awesome!

Brian

Thanks for the "HOPE" and "CHANGE".

Fucking wonderful.

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Agamemnon

Can you tell me wher exactly in the constitution that says healthcare is guaranteed?

You sir, are exactly what is wrong with America.

Gimme gimme gimme.

Hey, guess what hotshot, if you can afford health insurance, then I guess you need to get a better job to help pay for it.

racepar1

You are wrong. I USED to be able to afford to go racing and play with cars. I also USED to be able to afford healthcare. I don't even have a cellphone at the moment much less anything you listed above.

I'm not asking for anything for free. I'm asking to be helped when I need it since my god damn tax money has been helping everyone else for my whole life. Nothing is free. In the end it would STILL be MY tax money paying for MY healthcare. How the fuck is that free???

There are far too many people in this country living off state and federal programs like food stamps and welfare. If you wanna be worried about people getting shit for free why don't we turn our attention to the people that are REALLY working the god damn system.

I think that it's YOU that's the hotshot. If you're so worried about what I am doing what's your story hotshot? Mommy and daddy paid for you to go to a nice college and you picked a nice safe career? Either that or you're still living at home feeding off mommy and daddy's health insurance. Some of us prefer the hard route, to pursue our dreams. It is the people like us that made this country what it is. If I am what is wrong with this country in your eyes then you either don't have a clue what you are talking about or it is actually you that are wrong...

Agamemnon

I never said anything about being free. Do you honostly think that because you pay your taxes that you should be able to just strut in to any hospital, say "fix me now, because I pay taxes!" and walk out without paying cent? If you feel this way, then I suggest you move on up north to Canada, where even they hate their medical care.


Yes, I do think I'm a hotshot. I took a 1 year of college that I paid for, the realized it wasn't for me and dropped out before I could really get myself in debt. After that I moved out, got a decent paying job and worked my ass off. After realizing that my current location would never pay the dividends that I wanted, I packed my belongings and moved two states away in a city I knew nothing about or had any ties with. After years of hard work and keeping focus on my goals, I was able to make a great salary, and great home, and great life for myself.

So just because you think your life is hard(it's hard because of the life decisions you made BTW), don't assume that others aren't or haven't gone through the same shit.

And PS- This is what I meant to say I still stand behind this comment. If you cant afford health insurance, then get a better paying job. If you are making pennies but love what you do in life, then you need to take a good hard look at your life and determine what is more important to you.

rb26man

lol...but on a side note...look at the countries that offer free healthcare and their economies...and then u look at us in which we pay for it and still are in a hole...hmmm something seems fisshy

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Just because Canada has social medicine and we may also have social medicine does NOT mean they have to be the same system.

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racepar1

Yes I do feel that way. I could care less if you like it. I'm not asking for god's fucking gift to medicine to magically cure all my problems. I also feel that if you can reasonably afford healthcare that you should pay for it yourself. I also believe that those that do not work and contribute to society are not necessarily obligated to at least most benefits. I am all for helping those that are productive society members. Not everyone can sit pretty and make the big bucks, certainly not starting out. If that was the case who would do all those minimum wage shitty ass jobs that HAVE to be done? Or do the people that do the crap that the rest of us don't want to not deserve to at least be healthy?

Judging by your statement above you should know exactly where I am at because you have been there. Telling me basically "get a better job bum" is pretty fucking hypocritical judging by your story. How much could YOU have used a little help in those down times??? No need to worry about little old me. I'll make it, I have no doubt about that.

Agamemnon

How the hell am I being a hypocrite? I practiced what I preach. Even when I was struggling, I always was able to afford health insurance. Not because I was rich, or because I had connections, but because I made specific decisions that ensured a constant health coverage.

Yes I could've used help, but refused it. Not accepting handouts made me a better person. It tought me to always rely on myself and use the tools that I gained to come out on top.

I have no doubt that you will succeed in life. But this is America. A free capitalist society that gives everyone a chance to make more of themselves. So sorry if I don't feel like it's Uncle Sam's responsibility to wipe the less fortunates ass.

jspaeth

One of the main reasons we ARE in a hole is because the government continues to spend, spends, spend and print more money.

...for such awesome programs as Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security.

All of which are wealth redistribution.

Even SS, everyone pays the same "percentage," but then when it comes time to reap the benefits, everyone recieves essentially the same.

Again, another example of successful people paying more to get LESS.

THAT is why our country is going down the tubes

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Social Security is more of a ponzi scheme.

racepar1

Nobody is asing to have their ass wiped. All people want is an affordable healthcare solution. Public health is everyone's concern. One of those "less fortuante asses" could get sick and cause an epidemic like the H1N1 thing, although the H1N1 thing was mostly overhyped bullshit. The people that are working for mimimum wage are absolutely necessary to keep this country afloat. Without them we couldn't exist. Those people deserve to be able to go to the doctor too. I honestly agree on the "no free handouts" attitude of yours on everything but healthcare. That's where I draw the line.

racepar1

The programs you listed above are far from the villans you make them out to be. Medicare, medicaid, and social security are all useful programs. They're just very poorly run like every other government program. If you wanna make up some scapegoat programs I would hope you could do better then that.

The REAL problem with this country is our own paranoia. The lawyers run this country and THAT is why we're fucked. America hasn't been the land of the free for decades. The lawyers also encourage the public to no longer take responsibility for their own actions. Fall and hurt yourself because you tripped on a pothole while you were yaking on the cellphone? It's not your fault, it's the city's, you should sue them... Our paranoia has also extended to our children. People are too afraid to let their kids just go out and play anymore. Now we have "playdates" and video games instead of a park, some friends, and some toys. Our children are over cottled and under-equipped to go out and survive on their own. It is our own SOCIETY that is fucking this country, not government.

kingkilburn

The programs that have been talked about that are supposed to be so bad are only going so poorly now because of the number recipients vs the number of tax payers paying in. When SS was enacted there were far more paying in than receiving benefits. With all the baby boomers dieing off and the Executive Office's constant borrowing from it the program is near its breaking point.

I think the largest problems with the three programs are that illegal immigrants(who did not pay in) are eligible for benefits and the government continues to steal the dividends from our payments into them.

There is no reason the systems(or better systems with the same goals) can't work. The only limiter on the programs is whether or not the citizens want them.

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