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*!Zar!* · 05-02-2009, 07:52 PM

Have automobile designers just given up on having a beautiful engine bay and decided to take the fail way out and just put fancy plastic covers over all the ugly?

I mean seriously just these pictures make me hate this car even more than I already do.

Pictures of an ISF engine bay without the covers.

The z32 engine bay doesn't even look that bad and that is horribly cluttered it's self!

I hope not all cars go this route. Mercedes and BMW haven't taken to the same ghettoness of Lexus yet. Lets hope they keep it that way.

DreamN · 05-02-2009, 07:56 PM

To much electronics in cars nowadays. Guess they feel it's to much of a plain to clean it up.

BustedS13 · 05-02-2009, 08:27 PM

that looks like a fucking nightmare.

FRpilot · 05-02-2009, 08:28 PM

i would hate to be a mechanic in this era. have to take off the gay engine covers and then deal with that headache.

Akiros · 05-02-2009, 08:35 PM

still wouldnt stop me from owning an ISF.

SleepR 240sx · 05-02-2009, 08:40 PM

Its so weird to look at that and then look at my sr, you can spot everything on my motor immediately. And I love that look. ISF's are still sexy though. Even if they have an unneccesary amount of gears.

deolio · 05-02-2009, 08:42 PM

well if they're going to put covers on it, why bother? people that own those cars probably aren't going to be trying to show off their engines.

RiversideS13 · 05-02-2009, 08:43 PM

maybe this is the most efficient way for the set up

smellslikecurry · 05-02-2009, 08:55 PM

My close friend has one. It's a giant waste of 60grand. Seriously. The regular is250s look better.

johngriff · 05-02-2009, 09:21 PM

Its all vacuum lines too making the clutter.

IS250 is nice, went for a ride in one last night.

Bubbles · 05-02-2009, 09:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FRpilot

i would hate to be a mechanic in this era. have to take off the gay engine covers and then deal with that headache.

That's one way of looking at it.

However, backyard mechanics and owners who do the work themselves are definitely on the way out due to the complexity, professional mechanics will probably get more work and be able to pay more.

soreballz · 05-02-2009, 10:38 PM

Ugh. Imagine doing a valve cover gasket job on one of those things... Fuck that.

*brndck* · 05-02-2009, 11:39 PM

That engine bay reminds me of when darth vader takes his helmet off.

1ZlowZ · 05-02-2009, 11:44 PM

earth vader?

BustedS13 · 05-03-2009, 01:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brndck

That engine bay reminds me of when darth vader takes his helmet off.

:r ofl:

ericcastro · 05-03-2009, 02:39 AM

Looks like one of those geiger paintings

cdlong · 05-03-2009, 07:38 AM

i hate that engine cover crap too. they came up with something to hide the engine a long time ago, it's called a hood.

luckily, engine bay art isn't entirely dead. though it seems even ferrari isn't immune.

*!Zar!* · 05-03-2009, 11:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RiversideS13

maybe this is the most efficient way for the set up

I am almost positive there could've been a better way around this.

Some other car companies have engine bays that aren't as cluttered

Quote:

Originally Posted by smellslikecurry

My close friend has one. It's a giant waste of 60grand. Seriously. The regular is250s look better.

I know what you mean. The ISF looks like a stock rice car in my opinion. I HATE the silver surface carbon fiber they use, along with the exhaust setup. There are a few other things I know I'm forgetting about that thing.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bubbles

That's one way of looking at it.

However, backyard mechanics and owners who do the work themselves are definitely on the way out due to the complexity, professional mechanics will probably get more work and be able to pay more.

To me, this sucks. I mean I can't even find where the spark plugs would be at a glance in that picture. Are you telling me that I am going to be forced into paying the hourly rate of $120 or whatever an hr just to get a tune up?

Fuck that.

I'd rather buy a Kia before I let that happen.

Cars being too complicated such as the ISF will not only make things harder for the weekend mechanic, but also the mom and pop style garages.

allntrlundrgrnd · 05-03-2009, 11:52 AM

holy hell.

That seriously doesnt even look like an automobile engine.

well, maybe in a hybrid

JeremyR · 05-03-2009, 09:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by !Zar!

Cars being too complicated such as the ISF will not only make things harder for the weekend mechanic, but also the mom and pop style garages.

thast the whole point!

no one will want to touch it/work on it. so who do you take it to? the dealer. business wise its a good idea. DIY wise its not.

ryguy · 05-03-2009, 10:16 PM

It's the natural evolution of things. I bet the old timers were saying the same thing when the first FI cars rolled out.

Sarra · 05-03-2009, 10:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ryguy

It's the natural evolution of things. I bet the old timers were saying the same thing when the first FI cars rolled out.

A classmate's SR20DET has one of the cleanest, clutter free engine bays I've seen in a long time. There's hardly anything in there. My WRX, on the other hand, is packed. I changed the spark plugs on a friend's 2.5RS, basically the same exact engine, but wow, there was a ton of room in there. I think you're onto something, in general terms.

Adikt · 05-03-2009, 10:44 PM

you can thank OBD II and III for all that shit.

rednissan180 · 05-03-2009, 11:31 PM

I think theyre making cars now so that if something does go wrong with them...they have to take it to the shop. They are coming out with so many new bullshit features and horrible designs its stupid....its just sooo many more things that will brake. The quality has also gone downhill, so ive seen from working at toyota

*brndck* · 05-03-2009, 11:57 PM

/\/\/\ show me where the obdiii equipment is on that lexus.

even obdii equipment isn't that intrusive.

the trend seems to be "hell, lets not bother routing anything in an attractive manner, lets just cover everything up with some plastic crap"

*DALAZ_68* · 05-04-2009, 12:09 AM

i dont even bardabe could help that cluster fuck....and hes fucking pro

cdlong · 05-04-2009, 01:50 AM

it's probably easier to manufacture. instead of routing all that crap to a fuse/relay box, everything is on the engine and can go in as a unit. fewer connectors to deal with at the factory.

Bubbles · 05-04-2009, 01:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by !Zar!

To me, this sucks. I mean I can't even find where the spark plugs would be at a glance in that picture. Are you telling me that I am going to be forced into paying the hourly rate of $120 or whatever an hr just to get a tune up?

Me too, I wouldn't know where to begin.

But you quoted my response to being a professional mechanic not the average owner.

ayuaddict · 05-04-2009, 02:08 AM

i have noticed that i have been buying older cars as i grow older.

(well...except the civic but that shit is stupid simple.)

Bubbles · 05-04-2009, 02:12 AM

I could name 20 cars off the top of my head from the late 80s to early 90's that I like.

I'm not interested in many new cars but I'm not the average consumer base automakers are aiming for so my opinion means jack shit.

05-02-2009, 07:52 PM	#1
!Zar! Premium Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: North Korea Posts: 14,576 Trader Rating: (27) Feedback Score: 27 reviews	Ugly as sin Have automobile designers just given up on having a beautiful engine bay and decided to take the fail way out and just put fancy plastic covers over all the ugly? I mean seriously just these pictures make me hate this car even more than I already do. Pictures of an ISF engine bay without the covers. The z32 engine bay doesn't even look that bad and that is horribly cluttered it's self! I hope not all cars go this route. Mercedes and BMW haven't taken to the same ghettoness of Lexus yet. Lets hope they keep it that way. __________________

05-02-2009, 07:56 PM	#2
DreamN Post Whore! Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: SoCal - 818 Age: 36 Posts: 10,691 Trader Rating: (54) Rides Gallery: DreamN Feedback Score: 54 reviews	To much electronics in cars nowadays. Guess they feel it's to much of a plain to clean it up. __________________ - Jimmy Wanted: TBD For Sale: TBD

05-02-2009, 08:27 PM	#3
BustedS13 Post Whore! Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Phoenix AZ Age: 36 Posts: 10,287 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	that looks like a fucking nightmare. __________________

05-02-2009, 08:42 PM	#7
deolio Post Whore! Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Sacramento, CA Age: 32 Posts: 4,572 Trader Rating: (13) Rides Gallery: deolio Feedback Score: 13 reviews	well if they're going to put covers on it, why bother? people that own those cars probably aren't going to be trying to show off their engines. __________________

05-02-2009, 08:55 PM	#9
smellslikecurry Post Whore! Join Date: May 2003 Location: bangladesh Age: 35 Posts: 4,588 Trader Rating: (33) Feedback Score: 33 reviews	My close friend has one. It's a giant waste of 60grand. Seriously. The regular is250s look better. __________________

05-02-2009, 08:35 PM	#5
Akiros Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: May 2005 Location: Arkansas Age: 33 Posts: 1,242 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	still wouldnt stop me from owning an ISF.

05-02-2009, 08:43 PM	#8
RiversideS13 Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Diamond Bar, CA Age: 39 Posts: 1,545 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	maybe this is the most efficient way for the set up

05-02-2009, 09:21 PM	#10
johngriff Post Whore! Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Long Beach, CA Posts: 4,103 Trader Rating: (4) Rides Gallery: johngriff Feedback Score: 4 reviews	Its all vacuum lines too making the clutter. IS250 is nice, went for a ride in one last night. __________________ [email protected]

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05-03-2009, 07:38 AM	#17
cdlong Nissanaholic! Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Colorado Springs Age: 40 Posts: 1,845 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: cdlong Feedback Score: 0 reviews	i hate that engine cover crap too. they came up with something to hide the engine a long time ago, it's called a hood. luckily, engine bay art isn't entirely dead. though it seems even ferrari isn't immune. __________________

05-03-2009, 11:52 AM	#19
allntrlundrgrnd Nissanaholic! Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Astoria, OR Posts: 2,460 Trader Rating: (17) Rides Gallery: allntrlundrgrnd Feedback Score: 17 reviews	holy hell. That seriously doesnt even look like an automobile engine. well, maybe in a hybrid __________________ Kouki for sale!!

05-03-2009, 10:16 PM	#21
ryguy Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Chicago Suburbs Age: 32 Posts: 1,544 Trader Rating: (5) Feedback Score: 5 reviews	It's the natural evolution of things. I bet the old timers were saying the same thing when the first FI cars rolled out. __________________

05-03-2009, 10:44 PM	#23
Adikt Zilvia Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Chicago Age: 34 Posts: 278 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	you can thank OBD II and III for all that shit. __________________ "yo wheels are so sunk im gonna need an extension" "havin 1000 horses is like tryin to catch dinner with a rocket launcher"

05-03-2009, 11:31 PM	#24
rednissan180 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: May 2007 Location: memphis Posts: 350 Trader Rating: (7) Feedback Score: 7 reviews	I think theyre making cars now so that if something does go wrong with them...they have to take it to the shop. They are coming out with so many new bullshit features and horrible designs its stupid....its just sooo many more things that will brake. The quality has also gone downhill, so ive seen from working at toyota

05-04-2009, 12:09 AM	#26
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05-04-2009, 01:50 AM	#27
cdlong Nissanaholic! Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Colorado Springs Age: 40 Posts: 1,845 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: cdlong Feedback Score: 0 reviews	it's probably easier to manufacture. instead of routing all that crap to a fuse/relay box, everything is on the engine and can go in as a unit. fewer connectors to deal with at the factory. __________________

05-04-2009, 02:08 AM	#29
ayuaddict Post Whore! Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Socal Age: 32 Posts: 4,017 Trader Rating: (9) Feedback Score: 9 reviews	i have noticed that i have been buying older cars as i grow older. (well...except the civic but that shit is stupid simple.)

05-04-2009, 02:12 AM	#30
Bubbles Post Whore! Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Location, Location. Posts: 3,320 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	I could name 20 cars off the top of my head from the late 80s to early 90's that I like. I'm not interested in many new cars but I'm not the average consumer base automakers are aiming for so my opinion means jack shit. __________________ For all the world knows, my vagina could be moist with desire as we speak.

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