DALAZ_68

100% agree...god knows this generation high % could not even consider having a minial task job...

once again i agree...if you plan on coming here, learn the fucking language...my father was actually pretty clever, he would go to local areas were tourist would go and offered to be a guide, slow he actually learned enough english to get him by, not to mention taking night classes to improve his speech when he came here...

who's glorifying it? theres nothing glorious about it...im just telling you what i know...

im proud to Mexican, yes, but im also proud and thankfull to be an American.

As far as CA current young generation goes, id Say 80% if not more are soft, my facts stem from what i see on a daily basis here, not nation wide...its a nature nurture situation, frankly A LOT of parents let T.V. and other stupid shit raise there children to what they are now... but then i see young adults like here (Teddys13) for example who works his ass off to build his car and do what he loves to do, and seeing it stem from his mother who's incredibly supportive...he's one of the few that gives hope for the future of CA youth...

my parents,the reason im here, bustin my balls, thats all the reason i need, could you fathem to understand that? once again, its one of those things you need to live thru to understand...



AND i fucking agree...it all comes down to choice, my parents made the right one of being stable citizens, getting legal citizenship, buying a home, having long term careers, and then having children.

you might also want to widen your horizon to the illegals in this country, its not just mexicans...its all illegals, wether you see it or hear about it or not...

mind you, why is it that cubans are considered refugees, they leave there country as well...second they step on US soil there allowed here...why? cuz they cross bigger bodies of water? because they have a horribly currupt gov't? hmmm...




maybe...if someone documented is willing to work, sure, but hey i havent met many people willing to do the work that an illegal would, and yes there employed because there willing to...

wow, sounds like a personal situation like the ones ive been given. its happened to us to believe it or not...but weve also had accurances in which someone hit one of my friends car (06 350Z) fender, guy had no insurance, illegal, and guess what, he left his info, came back, and payed out of pocket for full damage to the fender...

and you cant say its only mexicans/immigrants that do that shit, fuck that, countless others including people in these forums who are white or "american" do that same shit, just like there the same ones who i dunno, drive illegally modified vehichles on public roads, or do illegal driving on said roads...that shit is common, not just an immigrant thing...

just like when my fathers truck was hit while in the parking lot, only to find out (parking lot security video) that it was an 84 yr old white guy, who, did not have insurance, did not have a valid drivers license (invalid due to being legally blind!). ohh but then you might bring out the argument of "cmon man hes an old dude"...fucking right he is, old enough to fucking know not to drive without legal paperwork, am i wrong here?

needless to say my father still, did not press charges, and let the man go, why? because my father knows that he himself can pay out of pocket for it, and there isnt any reason to burden that old man with little shit like this... and i say it again, this is from what ive experience...



ive never said you couldnt have a good life, some just want more, my fathers reason was that he wanted to raise a family away from the drugs BS near his village, hed seen enough of his friends get caught up and get killed, and he knew he had no futur there...misery isnt a life, its just you waiting for ur clock to run out...believe me or not, honestly i dont care...

i dont mean to glorify my parents acts, i merely feel like expressing my gratitude for it...sounds stupid, but it is what it is...we've never been handed anything...and dont plan to...


i can agree with you half way, and sometimes they do loose there lives...it doesnt affect you, nor me directly, but its the trueth...if someone decides that the risk of there own life is worth the chance of a better tomorrow...ill respect that, but they better be willing to earn it as well...i hate, hate the fact that most of them think "well i suffered enough, time to just take take take", fuck that...

ohh well then fuck Haiti too...or filipines, right? why should we help them out in there time of need...fuck that right?

just like it doesnt affect me whats goin on in your neighborhood,since i dont live there, i wont give a damn...sucks to hear though...

its funny though, we live next to a white woman, and she's the one who has dogs running a muck, filthy front yard, delapidated cars...yet our house, is beautifull, clean cut grass, beautifull home, hell my father even offered to cut her yard, and she said no...go figure...

err...last i checked, per history, part of the US was mexican owned... the US brought a war in 1848 that made CA what it is today. its funny, Immagrants, came to this country, tyranized the natives, called it there own. were all fucking immigrants, no matter how you see it...white yellow black brown, all the same shit in one pot.

yes. please

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70% of business owners may be small privately companies or incorperations, but they certainly do not produce 70% of total production in the nation. Don't let those entry level business classes fool you, big business runs america.

Why not put up some sources since you're the resident name caller?

Define pointless. I'll never EVER be a propoent of cutting military funding. We're already involved -- it's not as easy as 'pack up and bounce' as many peole think it is. The logistics in moving even just a BRIGADE into and out of theater can easily take months. Trust me, I'm pretty well versed in military movements...

Sure it's a huge amount of money, but look at some of the other wars, and then compare them to today's inflation rates...you "may" be surprised to see that they are all very similar. Lets face it, to be the best, you gotta spend the most - that nearly applies to everything in life. Sure we could cut tons of corners and ride around in Jeeps without armor, but I'll be the first to say 'get fucked' if I had to drive that versus my M1114 ya know?


Not disagreeing at all my man - MANY people often forget that our nation was founded on immigration, and tolerance for all kinds and religions. That's what makes our nation great.

In the same respect though, somthing does need to be addressed about today's immigration issues...building a fence IS NOT the answer ya know??

(Same can be said about healthcare reform....reform does not be ENTIRLY revamp...just fix what we have!)

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I agree with the person that said, "Get the Illegals Out of Here, NOW!"

My parents came here legally, lined up in the US Embassy with a bunch of people that wanted a better life early morning just to submit some documents.

On the other hand, I also applaud the person that works really hard and wanted a better life for their family.

BUT, do you think it is fair for the person that came here legally to be turned down for a job because some illegal can do the job for half the minimum wage? How about we blame the employers that hire illegals? If they stop hiring illegals then they will get discouraged to come over here because no one is hiring undocumented aliens.

Also to the guy that said, it is OK coz they file taxes. Bro, how can they file taxes if they are using someone else's SSN? That is benefiting the one with the SSN. That is not benefiting the illegals, the only way that it benefits them is because when they do file, they get a refund due to the government credits. Why would they file a tax return if they have to pay?!? That does not make sense, even a legal person hates paying taxes. WTF?

The economy will not collapse, people will still do the job at hand.
I say regulate the free crap that the goverment doles out and give it to the legal immigrants and citizens that need it.

and put up an electric fence on the freaking border.

DALAZ_68

no dissagreeing there, there also the same companies that source plants out of our country, taking jobs away from americans to make there products cheaper while making a profit...

why dont we put focus on how the land of the free outsources instead of keeping it at home, but we dont...

atleast smaller companies keep it home...sure small amounts end up back at the home countries of the workers, but its pennies compared to amount lost to overseas workers...
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very true statement. but people always forget we're talking about ILLEGAL IMMIGRAGTION. i'm all for legal immigration...i'd love to have people from other countries with talent and marketable skills come here-that way they can contribute to society by making innovations in the medical field, or starting a profitable business. but at some point we have to be realistic...we can't accomodate everyone who wants to live here...we only have so many resources and space. what's wrong with a fence or a wall? why is it so wrong for america to protect it's sovereignty and it's borders?

If you had people coming to your house constantly looking for food and shelter, eventually you're going to run out of room and patience. I Can't speak for everyone in this forum, but i have a family to worry about. I've got a baby boy that i'd rather send to private school because the public school system sucks. so what it comes down to is this: who do i care for more? my family, or a bunch of strangers that snuck in here?

My wife's friend (let's call him anthony) owns his own tiling business. I asked him what the hardest part of running his business was here in sunny california. his main problems were this:

-strict state and federal regulations (which i didn't get into because it's alot). for instance the prevailing wage rule. which basically means if he does work for the city he's got to pay workers the same rate as unionized workers.

-being undercut from contractors using illegal immigrant workers. you know, the guys you see hanging out in front of home depot. so how can Anthony, who has to follow all the rules, compete when other contractors are using super cheap labor? He's got a family to feed just like the guys who come here looking for work-he's got 2 daughters he's got to provide for...by the way Anthony is Mexican. i bet the majority thought he was a white guy. this is why i keep harping on going after businesses and contracters using illegal immigrants as labor.

DALAZ_68

so tell me, what was so legal about the immigrants that took the land from the natives ? ohh i get it, since the laws werent on paper, it doesnt matter, gotcha...

i agree...but i agree in the sense that wether you got here illegaly or legally, become a citizen first and foremost, and give back to the country your in...if you dont, GTFO or i hope your ass doesnt make it here...simple

congrats...

same here...but i understand were those with right intentions are coming from, in which i cant group everyone together...

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right, america has always been perfect

based on true story

nah it wasnt a prostitution thing it was more like "hey your rich heres my daughter marry her, give me give me"

many places are like that, michoacan, sinaloa, aguas calientes(so i heard)

mazatlan was amazing

yeah this issue is an endless circle


serious

small businesses:
Represent 99.7 percent of all employer firms.
Employ half of all private sector employees.
Pay 45 percent of total U.S. private payroll.
Have generated 60 to 80 percent of net new jobs annually over the last decade.
Create more than 50 percent of nonfarm private gross domestic product (GDP).


my cousin is in Iraq and he thinks they're not really fighting for anything out there


i thought we were already the best

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steve shadows

This is such a politically hot topic.

It's soo crazy how hot it has gotten these days lol

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hell yeah..

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You have to be retarded to judge a country you dont know much about based on how it was depicted in a movie.

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don't know much about?

i'm from there
been there PLENTY of times
watch their news cuz thats all my mom watches

depicted from a movie?
try using google(kidnapping, mexico) all you need
based on true events
i just gave a personal story

you seem to be retarded

i stated the movies to give you a broad idea of what its like in some areas

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Ive been there many times myself. Most of my relatives are in Guadalajara (one of the largest cities in Mexico) and another nearby town. Me and my cousins have been around almost all of Guadalajara and never saw anything too bad. Worst thing I have seen there is the discrimination againts people from Oaxaca.

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thats dope i'm from guadalajara too...most of jalisco is coo..only thing ive seen there is big ass dogs dead in the middle of the streets haha

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upsdude

everytime i hear this argument i just shake my head and laugh. that happened hundreds of years ago whether it was right or not isn't relevant anymore. we're talking about america's borders today 2010. are you suggesting that you'd rather have anyone who isn't of a certain descent should be forced to leave? or are you saying you'd like to have california restored as a province/territory of mexico? because that point of view is basically saying control of the country should be returned to the indians, since they were here first.

WISH ONE

Thats sad that all you could focus on was the dead dogs... lol welcome to Mexico the stray dogs are through the roof.
In La Paz there is a pretty wealthy canadian lady that dedicates her time to picking the dogs off the street giving them vaccines and finding them homes. Pretty noble occupation.

I love guadalajara! Although I was born in Cabo San Lucas most of my family is from Guadalajara as well. Its a wonderful city. By chance have any of you gone on the day trip to the tequila farms, or visited Tapalpa?

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i'm sorry i couldnt help but notice fuckin dogs in the middle of the road haha

ive been Cabo San Lucas as well..i love the beach there

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we cant do nothing to change it, unfortunately there is goods and bads about imigration mexicans work jobs that us ameriacans will not work, like at a fast food place or restaurants, or picking at fields or working for $40 bucks a day, they still have rights and yes teir is a bad apple here and there but most mexicans are chill and the girls are super sexy lol

sidedrifts13

I have its super sick and they feed you shots the whole time, Im from Jalisco

ronmcdon

agreed, I think that idea is just messy.
Even if you accept it to be valid, there's just no end to it.

Take Mexico for example.
The US would have to give back Texas & other territories.
Mexico would have to give back territories to Guatelmala.
Mexico should give power back to Spain.
Spain should give back power to the Aztecs.
The Aztecs should give it back to whomever they took the land from
(because it's wrong, obviously).

You'd never get to the bottom of anything.

HyperTek

this thread is double sided, some people are against it, and than some people are for it because they in some way are related to it.

Come on guys, would you be happy if you got into a car wreck with an illegal *even if you know how hard it is and that he/she is working on becoming illegal*? Hell no, your still screwed in the situation.

If my asian relatives can wait years to get the green light and fly over the freaking sea, than surely the closer latin americans can wait a little bit and cross over.

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Never been to any of those two myself lol. Guadalajara is really awsome though.

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werd...

you cant judge a country as a whole thru film, period...just like i cant judge an entire race/religion/country over something ive seen on film...



shake your head and laugh, but it is relevant. its one of the significant factors that started the bad blood between both countries...

no, im suggesting to give the country that we stole from a greater respect, your right, this is 2010, we should be more civil to our fellow man, especially a neighboring country...

if the US and Mexico could just set the bullshit aside, sit down and just agree shits gone wrong on both ends
help each other more on prosecuting criminals
allow rightfull citizens the chance to move, im pretty sure shit wouldnt be the same as is right now...if both countries would be more respectfull to one another, things wouldnt be so bad...but hey politics and money is what rules the nation, and when you fuck with corperate americas money, your pretty much public enemy #1...

what would happen if mexico and the US were more open
effectively i think crime would go down, especially on the bordering areas in which the US and Mexico could work together to deport criminals back to there country, drug traffic could potentially drop...
but hey this is just what i think...





but why not atleast make bigger effort to repair the relations to both countries...

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Wouldn't liability insurance cover that?

Even if that liability doesn't cover that though,
it kinda is a separate can of worms.

I recall a couple of years ago there was a petition in CA to determine whether or not illegals could obtain a legit driver's license.
It's not necessarily even an illegal driver thing.
If they cannot, then they prob wouldn't be able to buy insurance even if they wanted to.
In a way, the state makes it difficult for everyone by failing to effectively deal with the way things are.

To be fair, the state should also impose stiffer penalties for those driving without insurance or a valid lic.
You can have an 'out-of-state' person hit & run you,
and there would be little you can do about it.
(this happened to me when a FL resident destroyed my civc a few yrs back)
I think that's a semi-related, but separate legal matter.

MidnightSlide

Hey, not to say that everyone else doesn't have their problems.. and I never said not to feel compassion for your fellow human beings. Some people have it ridiculously bad.. and you know what, it is not their fault. It is the fault of their country as a whole. But let's take something into consideration here:

If the good ol' US of A got so horrible to live in, that many of it's citizens decided to flee into the nearest country.. Would you deem that as an acceptable thing to do instead of try and clean up the corrupt government that caused it all?

By the way, are you so naive that you would go as far as to think that we don't have drug, prostitution, rape, murder, and economic chaos right here in our own country? You are placing the focus on these "poor" illegals. I don't buy it.



Sure, every race has their trash.. and by no means am I classifying a whole race of people or every single person that comes through illegally in that stereotype. Some may be the cleanest and most motivated people that I have and will ever see in my life. It doesn't make what they are doing any less illegal and any less wrong.

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Mexicans are the combination of both spain and the indians now

some of my family is light skinned, some are dark

some people say i look white, others say you can tell i'm mexican..i'm light skinned, my brother is darker than me, my other brother is whiter


i'm personally glad the way things turned out, even though there was blood shed, war and others don't like it..this wonderful state is a part of this wonderful country and i would'nt want it any different

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ronmcdon

Well there has been, & will be cooperation between the US & Mexico
(I am guessing you meant the US & Mexico when you said 'both countries').
Yeah certainly there's always more than can be done on both fronts.
They are neighbors after all.


Likewise many Americans are the combination of several ethnic groups.
Many have Native American blood in them (is that the correct PC term today?).

I just think it's impossible to draw the line on political barriers these days,
based on who used to own what, or on the basis of ethnicity.
Even Spain was ruled by the Moors (Morrocco) at some point.

DALAZ_68

and thats exactly what my father was tryin to get away from and succeded. he once told me how he was eating lunch in a small retaurant and maybe 50 ft away someone was shot cold blood...by military.

i could tell you dozens of more stories my father has passed to me, all fucked up, and all shit done by the country he had no choice to be born in...so he made the choice to come here and become a legal citizen...

personally i would stand in arms next to my fellow man and clean up the corrupt, though during lunch i randomly asked one of my bosses, and well lets just say, his answer, to you & me, would def be considered un american...

no ofcourse not, but our prostitution/rape/murder isnt as condense as it is there. IM, placing focus on the illegals that can help this country, not all of them in general... but hey i guess my compassion is more open than others...then again, in the US, ive never seen an officer arrest and bitch slap a prostitute for not giving him head at a bar with all his other cop buddies, but hey, only cuz i havent seen it doesnt mean it hasnt happend in the passed...but hey its 2010, lets focus on the now right...even though it happened in 2009...


i grew up in public schools, i grew up in the whole raza, viva mexico BS...i grew up in schools that had gangs...yet im here...in my office, chillen after work, never been arrested, never done drugs, no crazy tatted body displaying all kinds of crazy shit...im me, another american realizing his dream, working hard, getting mine, and sharing with my fam...





im not here, to convince you that its not right, because it isnt, ill agree with you there...

whats not right is giving someone hope that you could come to this country, you scrape every penny you can, only to be told no, declined...
why? because since he's of lower class that all he'll ever be? because thats pretty much what happened with my pops...and he pretty much proved a country wrong...and im proud of him for that...he could have easily been just another guy infront of home depot, but no, he wanted better...people like that is who we need to give chances to in this country...not just those with money. and if you have money, consider yourself lucky you can afford to wait and pay for the things others die tryin to have or never see...

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A few things man:

1. Corruption is corruption... any way you look at it.

2. I agree that people SHOULD be able to live the dream, but to an extent. We are our own country, and we need to think about making it a better place for us.. not for everyone that wants to escape their own problems. I do think that there should be a relocation program where immigrants wanting to obtain citizenship should be placed in a vacant and not very populated state, and monitored closely, making sure that they work and attend school. The overpopulation in Southern California is absolutely ridiculous..

3. I think that it should be MANDATORY to learn English. Nothing gets me more pissed off than someone that comes to this country for a better life, and refuses to learn the language. I wouldn't move somewhere and expect people to cater to me. When the immigrants even THOUGHT about coming to America, the very first thing they did was learn the most English they possibly could. Nowadays people take this country for granted and treat it like it owes them something. I think that is absolute BS.

4. For people like you and your Father, I have the utmost of respect. I think that if you want to relocate somewhere and put the work in to improve your way of life as well as the way of life of the people around you, and do your part.. then you should have the right to make a choice on where you want to be. If everyone that came to this country were exactly like you and your Father, then there would be no problems outside of overpopulation issues, and that could be easily solved as long as people were willing to do what it takes to be here, even if that meant living in a "Geographically Undesirable" area. After all, beggars can't be choosers... right?

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people cant always stay in their country and try to fix things...that takes years and years, we ourselves are still in the process of improving..

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when i was applying for food stamps, they offer the food stamp to 27 different langauges other than American(english) . also at the dmv you can take the drivers test in 27 different langauges, but all the street signs are in American(english). but those useless facts are off topic.

what bugs me about illegal immigration is the people that came here, and legitimatly applied and passed citizenship are getting screwed by the weasels that feel they don't have to do things by the book. the other thing is all those illegal immigration advocates saying that illegals need to be granted rights, and that it would help the economy, thats bs.
floridians get pissed off at cubans, california gets pissed at mexicans.

If there is anything i do know, latinos, regardless of legality are some of the hardest working, most friendly people i know.