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Pro ViZIon · 04-12-2011, 05:09 PM

ok so i have a 90 s13 hatch with a ka24de swap.

My first issue is that my turn signals don't work. They dont even show up on the indicators when switched. My hazards work and all of the bulbs are good so im not sure what its wrong.

My second issue is that even with the key turn to off and key out i still have power to basically everything. the only thing that i know turns off is my stereo.

Everything in the engine bay still has power. ecu has power as well as the dummy lights in the cluster. the only way to actually get all of it to shut off is buy disconnecting the battery of course or pulling either the egi or egi pump relays. I have checked all fuses and they were all fine.

I'm not sure if the two problems relate in anyway but this whole thing started a little prior to me starting the swap. it was fine before hand but was sitting for some time. about 4 months.

Thanks for any help.

Redred · 04-12-2011, 06:59 PM

i wish i could help but im a newbie

Pro ViZIon · 04-12-2011, 07:01 PM

Haha no problem

Sileighty_85 · 04-12-2011, 07:03 PM

for the Turn signals, might be the switch

the Power thing, almost sounds like either the Igniton switch is bad or a relay is sticking closed.

Pro ViZIon · 04-12-2011, 09:12 PM

I don't think the ign switch is bad since my stereo turns off as it should. I'm not sure what really I should be checking for though.

Sileighty_85 · 04-12-2011, 09:14 PM

try swapping the two green relays around in the engine bay fuse box on the passenger strut tower and see if that fixes it

nujabe · 04-12-2011, 10:49 PM

check your fuse box its probly blown . or check to see if you hazard button and defrost is plug in because they wont work if there not in

Pro ViZIon · 04-12-2011, 11:29 PM

Ok just tried that and nothing. I don't think those are the issue. But then again I'm no good with electrical.

Schassis707 · 04-12-2011, 11:36 PM

flasher relay... i have an extra ill sell you ill shoot you a pm..

nujabe · 04-13-2011, 11:46 AM

go undear your steering wheel check the the fuse that control the turn signal lights . swap it out for another one. did you try that.

Pro ViZIon · 04-13-2011, 12:47 PM

You talking about the fuse in the fuse panel. Yeah I checked that. 10 amp right. It was fine.

nujabe · 04-13-2011, 01:32 PM

dam im stumped then i had the same problem turned out being a combo of both dead fuse and not being plug in.

Pro ViZIon · 04-13-2011, 01:40 PM

Well ill check the defroster swwitch again. I know the hazard switch is hooked up cause they work.

emu103 · 04-13-2011, 04:15 PM

my sr20 ecu got fried, and repaired.

now it never shuts off, i have to stall my car out and unplug the ecu or it kills my battery.

maybe...

Mishkin_707 · 04-13-2011, 05:10 PM

just get another signal stalk, as for everything still being powered on after, you may need to check your wiring sounds like there is a constant 12v wire connected where a 12v ignition switched should be, just a thought, who did the wiring for the swap?

Pro ViZIon · 04-13-2011, 06:45 PM

I did the wiring but it was like thise prior to the swap.

Mishkin_707 · 04-14-2011, 06:34 PM

oh ok, its going to be a pain in the ass to go through all the wiring but you're gonna have to, check to see where the constant 12v wiring should be and check where the ignition switched 12v should be also check under the steering column make sure nothing is crossed also, but for the easiest thing, just check all the relays under the hood make sure none of them are just sticking

Xxs13240xX · 04-18-2011, 06:38 AM

Try looking under your drivers side fender and check out the wiring harness running up there you may have rubbed through it it's pretty common on the s chassis

Pro ViZIon · 04-18-2011, 11:58 AM

You know I was thinking of checking that out. The car hasn't moved in so long though. But its worth checking.

Pro ViZIon · 04-21-2011, 06:32 PM

Ok so my turn signals work out of no where lol. I'm definately fine with that.

But power still stays on. I noticed when I unplugged the ecu everything shuts off as it should. So could it be my wiring for the swap. I remember this being an issue prior to the new motor going in but idk. Its been so long now.

Pro ViZIon · 04-21-2011, 07:01 PM

Nvm on the wiring. I looked it over and everything is wired where it should.

Any other ideas guys. Its weird that it works with the ecu unplugged.

conrad_s13.5 · 04-22-2011, 08:27 AM

check the brown plug,...i know you said you checked everything, but i guess just for the sake of this thread and trouble shooting.....lol

red/black is ecu back up power i believe, and red is constant (could be viseversa,. but yeah,.)

was the car ever wired up with a turbo timer?,...could have messed that up.

Could also get a test light or multi meter, and check the connections on the ignition. See if they're working the way they are supposed to, or if there is a short/frayed wiring touching any of those connections.

Pro ViZIon · 04-22-2011, 12:41 PM

I'm not exactly sure how to test for this lol. And what plug are you refering too? Where is it at?

And it had no turbo timer previously.

cotbu · 04-22-2011, 07:25 PM

I think I can lead you in the right direction. Your problem with the 12v system sounds like and energized relay sticking or something is leaching power from a relay and it can't close or open after ignition is off. Sometimes people improperly install efans or electronics that cause that same effect. Are there any electric fans, or aftermarket electronics on the vehicle at all? I would start there or pull all fuses, 1 at a time until power turns off. I always schedule wiring jobs on cool days because it can take hours to even identify the cause,

Pro ViZIon · 04-22-2011, 09:56 PM

I do have any e-fan but I know for sure its not the problem since its not hooked up through any of the engine bay electrical. The power does shut off if it pull out the egi or egi pump relays or the 25amp engin cont fuse. I don't think either of those relays is stickings since I swapped them around and there was no difference. I'm not sure how to test the relays. I looked in my chilton manual but it didn't have anything for that. Maybe the fsm has a procedure for testing these relays.

cotbu · 04-23-2011, 02:31 PM

Just giving a direction to look, as for pinpointing the problem. Pull all fuses and relays except for egi/egipump and the main 75/100amp fuses . Ps idont mean the relay itself is sticking nevermind, I'm sure you'll figure it out.

Hey the good news is I just saved a crap load on car insurance.

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Pro ViZIon · 04-27-2011, 02:06 AM

Congrats on your new insurance rate lol.

But it will turn off with the "eng cont" 25amp fuse pulled out.

I also checked the body harness under the driver side fender well and it was fine.

Pro ViZIon · 05-02-2011, 10:39 PM

Ok so i figured out why the power doesn't shut off. My ecu was bad apparently. I pulled it apart to look for signs of it being fried but apparently it was just bad some how. wasnt burnt or anything.

nissan junky · 05-04-2011, 10:02 AM

Any bad solder joint or they call it a cold solder joint i think ..some time you need a mag glass to see these littel things if you can find it..just give her a littel solder and you will be good...With the exception of a new ECU..

bb4_96 · 05-04-2011, 10:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pro ViZIon

Ok so i figured out why the power doesn't shut off. My ecu was bad apparently. I pulled it apart to look for signs of it being fried but apparently it was just bad some how. wasnt burnt or anything.

So it works with another ECU?

04-12-2011, 05:09 PM	#1
Pro ViZIon Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Las Vegas, NV Age: 31 Posts: 415 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Turn Signals Dont Work & All power wont turn off. ok so i have a 90 s13 hatch with a ka24de swap. My first issue is that my turn signals don't work. They dont even show up on the indicators when switched. My hazards work and all of the bulbs are good so im not sure what its wrong. My second issue is that even with the key turn to off and key out i still have power to basically everything. the only thing that i know turns off is my stereo. Everything in the engine bay still has power. ecu has power as well as the dummy lights in the cluster. the only way to actually get all of it to shut off is buy disconnecting the battery of course or pulling either the egi or egi pump relays. I have checked all fuses and they were all fine. I'm not sure if the two problems relate in anyway but this whole thing started a little prior to me starting the swap. it was fine before hand but was sitting for some time. about 4 months. Thanks for any help. __________________ 1990 Nissan 240SX w/KA24DE - New project 1984 Mazda RX-7 GSL-SE 13B

04-12-2011, 07:01 PM	#3
Pro ViZIon Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Las Vegas, NV Age: 31 Posts: 415 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Haha no problem __________________ 1990 Nissan 240SX w/KA24DE - New project 1984 Mazda RX-7 GSL-SE 13B

04-12-2011, 07:03 PM	#4
Sileighty_85 Post Whore! Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Misawa, Japan Posts: 6,815 Trader Rating: (8) Feedback Score: 8 reviews	for the Turn signals, might be the switch the Power thing, almost sounds like either the Igniton switch is bad or a relay is sticking closed. __________________ 後輪駆動車１番 1989 Built SR GT2871R -363whp 1998 S14 W/RB25- 250ish (For Now) 1986 SR86 - 200ish 1990 R32 GTR - 320hp Don't Buy Engines from JDM-Online http://zilvia.net/f/businesses/207457-jdm-online.html Don't Buy XS-Power or SSAC Shit

04-12-2011, 09:12 PM	#5
Pro ViZIon Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Las Vegas, NV Age: 31 Posts: 415 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I don't think the ign switch is bad since my stereo turns off as it should. I'm not sure what really I should be checking for though. __________________ 1990 Nissan 240SX w/KA24DE - New project 1984 Mazda RX-7 GSL-SE 13B

04-12-2011, 09:14 PM	#6
Sileighty_85 Post Whore! Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Misawa, Japan Posts: 6,815 Trader Rating: (8) Feedback Score: 8 reviews	try swapping the two green relays around in the engine bay fuse box on the passenger strut tower and see if that fixes it __________________ 後輪駆動車１番 1989 Built SR GT2871R -363whp 1998 S14 W/RB25- 250ish (For Now) 1986 SR86 - 200ish 1990 R32 GTR - 320hp Don't Buy Engines from JDM-Online http://zilvia.net/f/businesses/207457-jdm-online.html Don't Buy XS-Power or SSAC Shit

04-12-2011, 06:59 PM	#2
Redred Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: California Age: 30 Posts: 13 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	i wish i could help but im a newbie

04-12-2011, 10:49 PM	#7
nujabe Zilvia Addict Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: BAY AREA CA Posts: 890 Trader Rating: (9) Feedback Score: 9 reviews	check your fuse box its probly blown . or check to see if you hazard button and defrost is plug in because they wont work if there not in

04-12-2011, 11:29 PM	#8
Pro ViZIon Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Las Vegas, NV Age: 31 Posts: 415 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Ok just tried that and nothing. I don't think those are the issue. But then again I'm no good with electrical. __________________ 1990 Nissan 240SX w/KA24DE - New project 1984 Mazda RX-7 GSL-SE 13B

04-13-2011, 11:46 AM	#10
nujabe Zilvia Addict Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: BAY AREA CA Posts: 890 Trader Rating: (9) Feedback Score: 9 reviews	go undear your steering wheel check the the fuse that control the turn signal lights . swap it out for another one. did you try that.

04-13-2011, 12:47 PM	#11
Pro ViZIon Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Las Vegas, NV Age: 31 Posts: 415 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	You talking about the fuse in the fuse panel. Yeah I checked that. 10 amp right. It was fine. __________________ 1990 Nissan 240SX w/KA24DE - New project 1984 Mazda RX-7 GSL-SE 13B

04-13-2011, 01:32 PM	#12
nujabe Zilvia Addict Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: BAY AREA CA Posts: 890 Trader Rating: (9) Feedback Score: 9 reviews	dam im stumped then i had the same problem turned out being a combo of both dead fuse and not being plug in.

04-13-2011, 01:40 PM	#13
Pro ViZIon Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Las Vegas, NV Age: 31 Posts: 415 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Well ill check the defroster swwitch again. I know the hazard switch is hooked up cause they work. __________________ 1990 Nissan 240SX w/KA24DE - New project 1984 Mazda RX-7 GSL-SE 13B

04-13-2011, 04:15 PM	#14
emu103 Zilvia Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: nc Age: 31 Posts: 185 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	my sr20 ecu got fried, and repaired. now it never shuts off, i have to stall my car out and unplug the ecu or it kills my battery. maybe...

04-13-2011, 05:10 PM	#15
Mishkin_707 Zilvia Addict Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: everywhere Age: 39 Posts: 729 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	just get another signal stalk, as for everything still being powered on after, you may need to check your wiring sounds like there is a constant 12v wire connected where a 12v ignition switched should be, just a thought, who did the wiring for the swap?

04-13-2011, 06:45 PM	#16
Pro ViZIon Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Las Vegas, NV Age: 31 Posts: 415 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I did the wiring but it was like thise prior to the swap. __________________ 1990 Nissan 240SX w/KA24DE - New project 1984 Mazda RX-7 GSL-SE 13B

04-14-2011, 06:34 PM	#17
Mishkin_707 Zilvia Addict Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: everywhere Age: 39 Posts: 729 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	oh ok, its going to be a pain in the ass to go through all the wiring but you're gonna have to, check to see where the constant 12v wiring should be and check where the ignition switched 12v should be also check under the steering column make sure nothing is crossed also, but for the easiest thing, just check all the relays under the hood make sure none of them are just sticking

04-18-2011, 06:38 AM	#18
Xxs13240xX Zilvia Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Moon PA Posts: 279 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	Try looking under your drivers side fender and check out the wiring harness running up there you may have rubbed through it it's pretty common on the s chassis

04-18-2011, 11:58 AM	#19
Pro ViZIon Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Las Vegas, NV Age: 31 Posts: 415 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	You know I was thinking of checking that out. The car hasn't moved in so long though. But its worth checking. __________________ 1990 Nissan 240SX w/KA24DE - New project 1984 Mazda RX-7 GSL-SE 13B

04-21-2011, 06:32 PM	#20
Pro ViZIon Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Las Vegas, NV Age: 31 Posts: 415 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Ok so my turn signals work out of no where lol. I'm definately fine with that. But power still stays on. I noticed when I unplugged the ecu everything shuts off as it should. So could it be my wiring for the swap. I remember this being an issue prior to the new motor going in but idk. Its been so long now. __________________ 1990 Nissan 240SX w/KA24DE - New project 1984 Mazda RX-7 GSL-SE 13B

04-21-2011, 07:01 PM	#21
Pro ViZIon Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Las Vegas, NV Age: 31 Posts: 415 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Nvm on the wiring. I looked it over and everything is wired where it should. Any other ideas guys. Its weird that it works with the ecu unplugged. __________________ 1990 Nissan 240SX w/KA24DE - New project 1984 Mazda RX-7 GSL-SE 13B

04-22-2011, 08:27 AM	#22
conrad_s13.5 Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: STL Age: 34 Posts: 1,533 Trader Rating: (6) Feedback Score: 6 reviews	check the brown plug,...i know you said you checked everything, but i guess just for the sake of this thread and trouble shooting.....lol red/black is ecu back up power i believe, and red is constant (could be viseversa,. but yeah,.) was the car ever wired up with a turbo timer?,...could have messed that up. Could also get a test light or multi meter, and check the connections on the ignition. See if they're working the way they are supposed to, or if there is a short/frayed wiring touching any of those connections. __________________ cONtRol FReAkS

04-22-2011, 12:41 PM	#23
Pro ViZIon Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Las Vegas, NV Age: 31 Posts: 415 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I'm not exactly sure how to test for this lol. And what plug are you refering too? Where is it at? And it had no turbo timer previously. __________________ 1990 Nissan 240SX w/KA24DE - New project 1984 Mazda RX-7 GSL-SE 13B

04-22-2011, 07:25 PM	#24
cotbu Post Whore! Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: SWFL Age: 47 Posts: 3,318 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	I think I can lead you in the right direction. Your problem with the 12v system sounds like and energized relay sticking or something is leaching power from a relay and it can't close or open after ignition is off. Sometimes people improperly install efans or electronics that cause that same effect. Are there any electric fans, or aftermarket electronics on the vehicle at all? I would start there or pull all fuses, 1 at a time until power turns off. I always schedule wiring jobs on cool days because it can take hours to even identify the cause, __________________ LoverTechnologies "Half Broken Things!"

04-22-2011, 09:56 PM	#25
Pro ViZIon Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Las Vegas, NV Age: 31 Posts: 415 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I do have any e-fan but I know for sure its not the problem since its not hooked up through any of the engine bay electrical. The power does shut off if it pull out the egi or egi pump relays or the 25amp engin cont fuse. I don't think either of those relays is stickings since I swapped them around and there was no difference. I'm not sure how to test the relays. I looked in my chilton manual but it didn't have anything for that. Maybe the fsm has a procedure for testing these relays. __________________ 1990 Nissan 240SX w/KA24DE - New project 1984 Mazda RX-7 GSL-SE 13B

04-23-2011, 02:31 PM	#26
cotbu Post Whore! Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: SWFL Age: 47 Posts: 3,318 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	Just giving a direction to look, as for pinpointing the problem. Pull all fuses and relays except for egi/egipump and the main 75/100amp fuses . Ps idont mean the relay itself is sticking nevermind, I'm sure you'll figure it out. Hey the good news is I just saved a crap load on car insurance. Sent from my SGS VIBRANT using Tapatalk __________________ LoverTechnologies "Half Broken Things!"

04-27-2011, 02:06 AM	#27
Pro ViZIon Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Las Vegas, NV Age: 31 Posts: 415 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Congrats on your new insurance rate lol. But it will turn off with the "eng cont" 25amp fuse pulled out. I also checked the body harness under the driver side fender well and it was fine. __________________ 1990 Nissan 240SX w/KA24DE - New project 1984 Mazda RX-7 GSL-SE 13B

05-02-2011, 10:39 PM	#28
Pro ViZIon Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Las Vegas, NV Age: 31 Posts: 415 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Ok so i figured out why the power doesn't shut off. My ecu was bad apparently. I pulled it apart to look for signs of it being fried but apparently it was just bad some how. wasnt burnt or anything. __________________ 1990 Nissan 240SX w/KA24DE - New project 1984 Mazda RX-7 GSL-SE 13B

05-04-2011, 10:02 AM	#29
nissan junky Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Henrietta NY Age: 38 Posts: 28 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Any bad solder joint or they call it a cold solder joint i think ..some time you need a mag glass to see these littel things if you can find it..just give her a littel solder and you will be good...With the exception of a new ECU..

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