turboshoebox

win list:

Defi

Fail:
auto meter
momo(prob only run if you life in bfe)

Malik

the OP needs to decide a handful of basic things before he delves into the parts he needs.

the lot of you just love to argue and its funny to read.

Juucso

This is very true. Some of you have been into the car scene before I were even born and that is amazing since you still are here enjoying the hobby with passion.

I love the "old school" 2000s cars that I've seen from Option, doriten etc.., but does this still make newer brands shitty? Yes, maybe it doesn't fit to your eye, but it doesn't make it a shitty product. Look at the Top Secret, Abflug and Veilside. Some of their products look horrible to me, but they're still good brands since their producst are high quality.

Some say that Super Advans look horrible, but are they shitty wheels? Hell nah!

I'm not trying to change anyones preferences here, I'm just trying to tell people that these newer brands are good quality too and I do not agree with someone calling it a shitty product, because they do not like how the products look.

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FaLKoN240

I think you completely glazed over the original point of my post.

Those new brands started off by making inferior parts. The company's business and development were not crafted around motorsports or performance but producing rep parts with cheap build quality.

They raised money by putting as little money into the actual parts and development. They went to market with the cheap parts without testing them for fatigue or stress. They sold a bunch of junk to Americans that could not afford imported arms like Ikeya formula or domestic quality brands like SPL.

After they made money by mass selling cheap pieces and staining their name they started investing in making parts with better quality to improve their name for new people coming into the fold.

The Mishimoto/isr/megan of today is much different than the mishimoto/isr/megan when they originally came out.

Many of the old heads still have the taste of shit in our mouths for the original trash they put out.

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jumpman2334

If its 'clearly obvious' Feal is trying to be deceptive and trick people into thinking they are 'JDM', please provide proof.


This has got to be one of the dumbest posts ive read on zilvia in a long time.

tuzzio

This is one of the most important things i've read in this thread.

turboshoebox

Zeal is one of most respected companies that make coilovers.


Feal Sound almost just like it name it wise. It's no coincidence on the name chosen.


You can't be serious where you never put two and two together.

IIIXziuR

Falkon240 with the truth.
Interesting how ISR, Mishimoto, Megan, etc have grown from their not so humble beginnings.

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slider2828

^^ Feal vs. Zeal that has no fact behind it... Might as well just be spreading rumors....

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FaLKoN240

I have no experience with Feal coils, but from what I heard, from the start he custom builds coils and using a shock dyno will match springs with the dampers, aka doing some quality work.

Which is more than I can say for some of the other entry level coil companies out there.

He may have changed his business model since he first started, but Feal IIRC can rebuild shit ass coils into coils (1st gen Megan/BC/ISR) into coils that actually feel and perform well.

Feal in Latin also means LOYALTY which may have a deeper meaning than your belief that they are just copying a reputable Japanese brand and changing a letter.

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EJ8 944

STACK gauges are great, Autometer now owns them. Their Elite series gauges are Autometer branded STACK gauges if I am not mistaken. Most of the Autometer offerings I'd agree are trash, but not the Elite/STACK stuff.

MOMO steering wheels are great too. I consider them the same quality as Personal, Sparco, etc.

Trash steering wheels, I'd say are brands such as Grip Royal and NRG

EJ8 944

To the OP - just find something you think you may like, then Google the brand, the product, discover what sort of quality you can expect.

I have peak performance suspension arms, not a super JDM even a well known brand (most if not all their stuff is discontinued), but I felt good buying old used arms because they have easily interchangeable, high quality Aurora rod ends whereas Megan, ISR and such, while they may currently offer a higher quality arm than what they initially did, they still utilize cheap rod ends that makes them worthless to me.

I don't think it's ever brand per se, but more of quality where it counts.

I bought a Greddy hot pipe for my car years ago, spent $120 dollars on a piece of aluminum pipe. Total waste of money I could've had an identical pipe for under $20 but I used to brand jockey hard, these days it's just quality > all, no matter the manufacturer.

derass

I laughed when I saw this. Taken here in Toronto. I guess they spent all their money on the car and had none left over for good parts.

jumpman2334

please do not ever reproduce.

Juucso

Ahh, sorry! Now I got it.

And I still think you're correct.

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feito

fucking downgrade

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Kingtal0n

I had some nismo coilovers for S14 on a kouki that had to be 20 years old.

Out of production but specifically produced for 240sx by nismo (nissan I guess).

They were amazing (to me). Silent, stable, just wow at 20 year old parts like that.

turboshoebox

if you want to build a car with nothing but replica parts and mishimoto, ISR etc. noone is stoping you

future

Odi build me a custom set of coils for my 350

And his sales rep was on the phone with me for two hours asking this and that....let me tell you that was the best set of coils I love ever had or been in. Feal or nothing for coils

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ILoveMyRHS13

ur a fuckin weenie

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turboshoebox

u mad the brands u like to run are on the fail list bro?

dizzariot

Again, let's look past the internet persona here and point out that the dude still hasn't listed a valid reason. His method of deduction goes like this:

Is it Japanese?
Have I heard about it in anime?
Did I read it in manga?

No?

Cheap, shitty parts.

*turboshoebox finds his hidden stash of Japanese farts in the kitchen cupboard, the one behind the off-brand Frosted Flakes

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tuzzio

Whats wrong with a mishimoto intercooler?

The thing that has always bothered me about intercoolers is the lack of information and stats provided with them. Honestly, there is very very minimal data provided with numerous brands about how their intercooler flows etc. Everybody humps greddy intercoolers, but why are they good? Because it was a huge intercooler core 15 years ago? Have they updated anything about it since? Theres very minimal data showing that a a lot of these big branded intercoolers are any better flowing than say mishimoto or cxracing. I have a cxracing intercooler core on my car, and I have no issues with it. Is there a better product out there? I'm sure there is. But I see no reason to gamble money on something that MIGHT be better performing.

ILoveMyRHS13

nah not mad man, just stating that youre a fuckin weenie

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turboshoebox

Diz: what is ur obsessiom with anime and keep refering to it as if jdm parts are are refered to in it? Seems ur the weeaboo. They are both Japanese but that's about it.

slider2828

Why not Koyo? I see the boners with Greddy, but there are a LOT of other good brands as well. Griffin is legit too....

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turboshoebox

I don't see anyone going bonkers for greddy but arc fmic, radiaters and oil coolers

dizzariot

Oh I just assumed...but you're the expert on all things Japanese. Should've known you'd call me out for my lack of Japanese knowledge.

You still not gonna provide any evidence for us, Master Weeb?

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Maxstyle

Tomei US not really the same and Tomei Japan. They may change their name eventually
ARC - No longer in existance
HKS - Great quality but very difficult to get into US as distribution is limited
Blitz - one of the first brands to outsourcing their products but quality control is amazing
Greddy - Owned by a larger group now that owns other brands such as OS Giken. Sold all their tooling during bankruptcy and out source a large majority of their products. Great quality control
MSport - Seriously don't worry. Can't afford it.
Nismo - OEM Quality
DG-5 - Use Korean manufacture. Tuned in Japanese fashion for very aggressive for US style roads
Sard - Great parts. Costly.
Tanabe - Shocks are great when new but they go through lines so quickly that you will not be able to get you shocks serviced in the future.
Do-Luck - Not worth the eccentric styling. Great quality but alternatives are better quality and pricing
Cusco - Amazing product and quality control. Internal manufacturing in Japan. Provide OEM manufacture with Motorsports solutions
Ikeya Formula - Great quality and originators of may of the parts you see copied today. Pricey because of low production numbers. High Quality.
SSR - Amazing wheels. Great product. Part of the TANABE family
Work - Amazing wheels. Great Product. Also part of a larger trading group.
Bride - Amazing Quality but very limited production. Expensive but holds it's value.
Koyo - Quality High but has diminished over the past few years on their new line. Needs some better quality control IMO these days. No real warranty or support.
Apex'i - Amazing Quality and provider of one of the most popular tuning solutions for Japanese cars
Bee-R - More a of Japanese tuning shop. Small electronics. Great for light tuning solutions
Vertex - One of the highest grade body kits. Loyal owner to motorsports culture.
Varis - High Quality kits
Voltex - High Quality Kits
Gargage Mak - High Quality Kits
Advan - Part of the Mackin Industry group in US. Very high quality wheels

"Shity" Brands: I don't entirely agree with this

ISR - Ok brand. Decent for light tuning but life does not last as long. You will buy 2 but over the span of a certain time. Buy one now or 2 isr later
Fortune Auto - Quality components all selected. offering innovative suspension tuning solutions such as digressive piston technology and penske external components.
Mishimoto - Fun fact. US based company that wanted asian sounding automotive name. Mishi was his cat. Add moto and bam. Good warranty but distribution is a bit behind. Make sure item is in stock at your preferred shop
CX Racing - No real foundation. Good if on a budget and just need to get buy. Meh at best
XXR - Surprisingly popular in Japan. Great for 15"s Drifters. Great for getting out there and just driving
Duralast bodykits - Keep your oem.
VIS racing - Keep your oem
Seibon carbon - Slowly improving over time. Best of the replica carbon brand
ESR wheels - No opinion
Varstoen wheels - replica wheels. When you want TE's but don't think you will ever get them.
Cosmis wheels - Affordable semi-unique wheels
JNC wheels - No opinion
Spec clutchs - Hit or miss. Sometimes great sometimes trash. Most the time it's because people are not really matching what they need with what they buy. They over clutch.
Megan Racing - Improved quality over time. Engineer formerly from Tein.
BC racing - Producer of coilovers but no real R&D. Make coils for a number of major brand and takes their design and calls it theirs.
Feal coilovers - Using larger manufacture to produce but valved and spec'd by independent firm in the US. Don't purchase if you're not going to use them to their potential. Will feel like crap if just using for daily street.
Ksport - BC like manufacture
NRG - We all know what it is.
Grip Royal - Mid grade manufacture of wheels. Not Shit but not amazing. It'll due
Rocket bunny - Depends on source. Greddy distributed units have amazing fitment and quality. Alternative Licensed group units are outsourced and do not fit as well
Battle aero - Not truely function. Yes it's a wing but not competition worthy.
ebay stuff - Ebay stuff
Corbeu seats - Great Big Boy Seats.

Here is just some insight on the brands. Everyone has different experiences. Purchase with caution and remember, When you give someone your money, what are they doing with it? Bigger house or more innovation in motorsports. Your call.

slider2828

Dayum Maxstyle, you write that.... Pretty on point I'd say.....

Someone should sticky this thread for future.... Also on clutches

RPS Clutches - US base clutch maker. Quality is very good, but distribution is lacking.
OS Giken - Japan based. One of the original still very good clutches made but need to make sure correct TOB is selected
Ogura Clutches (ORC) and Diffs - Very high quality, quite expensive, but all rebuildable and uses a lot of stock components.
ATS Cross (Clutches) and Diffs - Highest quality clutches and diffs available especially their carbon line. Gotta pay to play
ACT Cluthes - Simiar to Spec(?) Maybe someone with experience chime in.

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