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Old 09-24-2008, 08:22 PM   #1
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Uhhh... Bullshit?

YouTube - Oct. 1st Military starts Martial Law Mission

Brigade homeland tours start Oct. 1

3rd Infantry’s 1st BCT trains for a new dwell-time mission. Helping ‘people at home’ may become a permanent part of the active Army

By Gina Cavallaro - Staff writer
Posted : Monday Sep 8, 2008

The 3rd Infantry Division’s 1st Brigade Combat Team has spent 35 of the last 60 months in Iraq patrolling in full battle rattle, helping restore essential services and escorting supply convoys.

Now they’re training for the same mission — with a twist — at home.

Beginning Oct. 1 for 12 months, the 1st BCT will be under the day-to-day control of U.S. Army North, the Army service component of Northern Command, as an on-call federal response force for natural or manmade emergencies and disasters, including terrorist attacks.

It is not the first time an active-duty unit has been tapped to help at home. In August 2005, for example, when Hurricane Katrina unleashed hell in Mississippi and Louisiana, several active-duty units were pulled from various posts and mobilized to those areas.

But this new mission marks the first time an active unit has been given a dedicated assignment to NorthCom, a joint command established in 2002 to provide command and control for federal homeland defense efforts and coordinate defense support of civil authorities.

After 1st BCT finishes its dwell-time mission, expectations are that another, as yet unnamed, active-duty brigade will take over and that the mission will be a permanent one.

“Right now, the response force requirement will be an enduring mission. How the [Defense Department] chooses to source that and whether or not they continue to assign them to NorthCom, that could change in the future,” said Army Col. Louis Vogler, chief of NorthCom future operations. “Now, the plan is to assign a force every year.”

The command is at Peterson Air Force Base in Colorado Springs, Colo., but the soldiers with 1st BCT, who returned in April after 15 months in Iraq, will operate out of their home post at Fort Stewart, Ga., where they’ll be able to go to school, spend time with their families and train for their new homeland mission as well as the counterinsurgency mission in the war zones.

Stop-loss will not be in effect, so soldiers will be able to leave the Army or move to new assignments during the mission, and the operational tempo will be variable.

Don’t look for any extra time off, though. The at-home mission does not take the place of scheduled combat-zone deployments and will take place during the so-called dwell time a unit gets to reset and regenerate after a deployment.

The 1st of the 3rd is still scheduled to deploy to either Iraq or Afghanistan in early 2010, which means the soldiers will have been home a minimum of 20 months by the time they ship out.

In the meantime, they’ll learn new skills, use some of the ones they acquired in the war zone and more than likely will not be shot at while doing any of it.

They may be called upon to help with civil unrest and crowd control or to deal with potentially horrific scenarios such as massive poisoning and chaos in response to a chemical, biological, radiological, nuclear or high-yield explosive, or CBRNE, attack.

Training for homeland scenarios has already begun at Fort Stewart and includes specialty tasks such as knowing how to use the “jaws of life” to extract a person from a mangled vehicle; extra medical training for a CBRNE incident; and working with U.S. Forestry Service experts on how to go in with chainsaws and cut and clear trees to clear a road or area.

The 1st BCT’s soldiers also will learn how to use “the first ever nonlethal package that the Army has fielded,” 1st BCT commander Col. Roger Cloutier said, referring to crowd and traffic control equipment and nonlethal weapons designed to subdue unruly or dangerous individuals without killing them.

“It’s a new modular package of nonlethal capabilities that they’re fielding. They’ve been using pieces of it in Iraq, but this is the first time that these modules were consolidated and this package fielded, and because of this mission we’re undertaking we were the first to get it.”

The package includes equipment to stand up a hasty road block; spike strips for slowing, stopping or controlling traffic; shields and batons; and, beanbag bullets.

“I was the first guy in the brigade to get Tasered,” said Cloutier, describing the experience as “your worst muscle cramp ever — times 10 throughout your whole body.

“I’m not a small guy, I weigh 230 pounds ... it put me on my knees in seconds.”

The brigade will not change its name, but the force will be known for the next year as a CBRNE Consequence Management Response Force, or CCMRF (pronounced “sea-smurf”).

“I can’t think of a more noble mission than this,” said Cloutier, who took command in July. “We’ve been all over the world during this time of conflict, but now our mission is to take care of citizens at home ... and depending on where an event occurred, you’re going home to take care of your home town, your loved ones.”

While soldiers’ combat training is applicable, he said, some nuances don’t apply.

“If we go in, we’re going in to help American citizens on American soil, to save lives, provide critical life support, help clear debris, restore normalcy and support whatever local agencies need us to do, so it’s kind of a different role,” said Cloutier, who, as the division operations officer on the last rotation, learned of the homeland mission a few months ago while they were still in Iraq.

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“I don’t know what America’s overall plan is — I just know that 24 hours a day, seven days a week, there are soldiers, sailors, airmen and Marines that are standing by to come and help if they’re called,” Cloutier said. “It makes me feel good as an American to know that my country has dedicated a force to come in and help the people at home.”

[link to www.armytimes.com]


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US To Declare October ‘Economic Emergency’, Suspend Elections

Posted September 17th, 2008 by ambishop By: Sorcha Faal, and as reported to her Western Subscribers (Traducción al Español abajo)
The Federal Security Service of the Russian Federation (FSB) is reporting in the Kremlin today that the Bank of England has received from the United States Federal Reserve Bank a ‘notice’ that President Bush is preparing to declare an ‘Economic Emergency’ during the week of October 5th and will further announce that the American Presidential election due to be held on November 4th will be ‘indefinitely suspended’.
These reports state that the Governor of the Bank of England, Mervyn King, had expressed his ‘shock and outrage’ to his American counterparts at the US Federal Reserve after the catastrophic collapse of one of the largest financial banks in the World, Lehman Brothers, and which caused both the Band of England and the European Central Bank to rush $42 billion into the European economy yesterday to keep it from collapsing, and their own banks from running out of money, necessitating the response from the US Central Bank leader Ben S. Bernanke.
As Prime Minister Putin had previously warned, and as we had reported on in our September 13th report “Hurricane Ike To Completely Destroy United States, Says Putin”, the horrific hurricane storm that has devastated the State of Texas, and where a humanitarian crisis is presently unfolding, has, indeed, proved to be the proverbial ‘straw that broke the camels back’ as the catastrophic damage from this storm raced beyond the Gulf of Mexico coast and ravaged the heartland of America to such an extent that the Governors of Ohio and Kentucky have declared States of Emergency as millions have been left without power.
The significance of this historic storm damage to the American economy, these reports say, led to the unprecedented pressures put upon the World’s largest insurance company American International Group (AIG) and its halt in negotiations, during a rare Sunday meeting in New York, to support the near bankrupt Lehman Brothers on Sunday, but which was then allowed to collapse and is now threatening to also destroy AIG itself.
Not being explained to the American people is that AIG, the World’s largest player in the $45 Trillion derivatives market, during the past two weeks had bet heavily on the World Markets against the damage from Hurricane Ike exceeding $2 billion in property damage, lost oil and gasoline production, lost wages and payments to companies forced to close, etc., it is obligated to pay, but which the actual damages are now being estimated will exceed $1 Trillion as the damages throughout the United States are finally tallied.
[Note: Derivatives are financial instruments whose value changes in response to the changes in underlying variables. The main types of derivatives are futures, forwards, options, and swaps. The main use of derivatives is to reduce risk for one party.]
Such a calamitous action by AIG has basically shattered the Western economic system, and as we can read as reported by The Australian Business News Service in their article titled “Global banks brace for derivative blow-up”, and which says:
“So here we are on the morning of D Day. The world's major couterparties on the $US455 trillion derivatives market go into technical default and no one is sure what is going to happen.
Lehman Bros yesterday formally petitioned the State Bankruptcy Court of the Southern District Court of New York for Chapter 11 protection.
Lehman would also have filed what are called "first day motions", which allow the bank to pay salaries and wages, while it continues to market its non-toxic, broker-dealer operations and work out what on earth to do with its highly toxic $US53 billion residential and commercial mortgage portfolio.
But, as scary and Spartan as it might sound, failure is as essential to the workings of an effective marketplace as is success.
Which means only that, given this shattered, battle-weary investment bank is unable to find itself a new owner or think its own way through the current calamitous circumstances, then one of the legendary brands of Wall Street should be left to fail.
In a weekend of unprecedented drama, the Fed seems to have been forced to play Solomon and choose between Merrill Lynch and Lehman. Both were facing mortal threat. But it seems only one could survive intact.”
Even worse for the American people during this unprecedented crisis is that one of their top economic experts, Wilbur Ross, chairman and CEO of WL Ross & Co, is now warning that over 1,000 US banks are nearing collapse, and one of their top economists, Nouriel Roubini, of NYU's Stern School and RGE Monitor, is further warning that “there is already a "slow-motion run on retail banks" occurring nationwide.”
Russian Military Analysts commenting on these reports state that though it is unlikely that the American President can suspend US elections solely on the basis of an Economic Emergency alone, it is entirely probable that he could do so should their Nation suffer another 9/11 type attack, and which they ‘cryptically’ observe could place as early as September 22nd as American Military Forces begin to conduct their World-Wide tests of their new nuclear alert system as they conduct another test of their so-called Star Wars Missile Defense System.
It should be further noted that as their once great Nation continues sliding towards the abyss of total ruin, these American people still refuse to acknowledge the substance of the many warnings being issued to them from all corners of the World as if even with eyes and ears they do not see and do not hear anything other than what they are programmed for by their masters.
How sad for these people, how much sadder for the rest of us these people are now all but lost.
© September 16, 2008 EU and US all rights reserved.
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I typically am not one for conspiracy theories. However, looking through this it definitely seems like something the GWB regime would do.



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Cliff notes? It's been a long day and I can't read even the first paragraph.

Assuming it's talking about pulling a moment out of The Siege, then I'd have to say I don't really see it happening. If it does, I'd be in between not surprised/surprised. With as much crap going on, it's not that hard to believe that the gov't would go to extreme lengths to keep things under control, but I doubt it's that serious.

Now this is something to fear: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/bush_markets
The title says it all.... $700 billion ain't no chump change.

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I welcome this sort of thing. It would take an event this stupid to wake the dullards of this nation up.
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Cliff notes? It's been a long day and I can't read even the first paragraph.

Assuming it's talking about pulling a moment out of The Siege, then I'd have to say I don't really see it happening. If it does, I'd be in between not surprised/surprised. With as much crap going on, it's not that hard to believe that the gov't would go to extreme lengths to keep things under control, but I doubt it's that serious.

Now this is something to fear: Bush warns of long recession without rescue plan - Yahoo! News
The title says it all.... $700 billion ain't no chump change.

Bush warns of long recession without rescue plan
Well basically from what I gather moving troops into the motherland... Then declaring a "Economic State of Emergency" aka. Martial Law.

Blah iunno. I don't even want to read into it. It makes me sad to even think about.

In any event, I'm getting a gun.
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I welcome this sort of thing. It would take an event this stupid to wake the dullards of this nation up.
I'd agree if I didn't think that people would probably just whine and whine rather than try to do something about it.

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Well basically from what I gather moving troops into the motherland... Then declaring a "Economic State of Emergency" aka. Martial Law.

Blah iunno. I don't even want to read into it. It makes me sad to even think about.

In any event, I'm getting a gun.
I think these next four years will be the icing on the cake that's been pretty much baked over these last 8. Either it'll disguise all the crap that's gone down and eventually just be forgotten in a sense, or it'll just make things worse to an extent no one could imagine.
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Have you ever wondered in a complete economic melt down and the way our society is fed...

How many people would starve to death at the drop of a hat. Myself included. I mean shit I'd eat people till they ran out though...
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Have you ever wondered in a complete economic melt down and the way our society is fed...

How many people would starve to death at the drop of a hat. Myself included. I mean shit I'd eat people till they ran out though...
No I have not. BUT, I did take a survey on how many 5-year-olds' asses I'd be able to whup if I were trapped in a gym full of them. And according to my morally wrong, but accurate, answers, I'd take a full 37 out.

And I tell you that to tell you this: I'd do whatever I'd have to as I'm sure many would.
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That shit is the most complete bullshit. While the first article about the the troops seems plausible the second article based from a Spanish Newspaper sourcing out of the Kremlin. Give me a fucking break. You guys spend to much time reading bullshit on the internet. LOL and taking sources of news about our own Country from Russia lol . Like Russia is going to report accurately about the U.S. or the current economic crisis. Ya Putin stepped down as President of Russia and became Premier. LOL a fucking ex KBG head. Ya Russia is really going to post actual truths about the U.S. or our economy. LOL
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That shit is the most complete bullshit. While the first article about the the troops seems plausible the second article based from a Spanish Newspaper sourcing out of the Kremlin. Give me a fucking break. You guys spend to much time reading bullshit on the internet. LOL and taking sources of news about our own Country from Russia lol . Like Russia is going to report accurately about the U.S. or the current economic crisis. Ya Putin stepped down as President of Russia and became Premier. LOL a fucking ex KBG head. Ya Russia is really going to post actual truths about the U.S. or our economy. LOL
lol... It's been a slow day.

I couldn't remember the first site I saw it on, so I just googled it and sourced that so people could get the gist.

Let it be known, I think it's horse shit. However, it has been the rage of the internet all day. I'll believe it when I see it. I do think that the market is going to collapse and we're gonna have to eat our neighbors dog to survive though. Sooner or later.
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"It should be further noted that as their once great Nation continues sliding towards the abyss of total ruin, these American people still refuse to acknowledge the substance of the many warnings being issued to them from all corners of the World as if even with eyes and ears they do not see and do not hear anything other than what they are programmed for by their masters."
Whether the rest of the article is credible or not, that's a great statement.
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I typically am not one for conspiracy theories. However, looking through this it definitely seems like something the GWB regime would do.
No, this is something that could happen under an Obama administration. Just look at his socialist ideology and friends.
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That shit is the most complete bullshit. While the first article about the the troops seems plausible the second article based from a Spanish Newspaper sourcing out of the Kremlin. Give me a fucking break. You guys spend to much time reading bullshit on the internet. LOL and taking sources of news about our own Country from Russia lol . Like Russia is going to report accurately about the U.S. or the current economic crisis. Ya Putin stepped down as President of Russia and became Premier. LOL a fucking ex KBG head. Ya Russia is really going to post actual truths about the U.S. or our economy. LOL
Although I'm not completely convinced about anything I read concerning a serious topic in the U.S., it doesn't mean I won't leave an open mind.

I don't mean to offend you or anything, but switch to decaf. This is the second thread I see you reply in bashing anything dealing with "conspiracy theories." Lighten up, dude- it's just opinions being thrown around in a discussion.
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Your final article, you copied and pasted, about the "Economic Emergency" comes from this site: WhatDoesItMean.Com

It's basically an online tabloid on par with those supermarket tabloids you see that tell you the devil escaped from hell, and that time travelers from the future are here and taking control of people's minds etc... That kinda bullshit.

Here is an example of what else is on their website: (scroll down a bit to the headline)

WhatDoesItMean.Com

EDIT: Lots of new posts. So we all already know it's BS. I just found from where.
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lol... It's been a slow day.

I couldn't remember the first site I saw it on, so I just googled it and sourced that so people could get the gist.

Let it be known, I think it's horse shit. However, it has been the rage of the internet all day. I'll believe it when I see it. I do think that the market is going to collapse and we're gonna have to eat our neighbors dog to survive though. Sooner or later.
No the Market is not going to collapse. That is the whole point of the bailout. If the stupid Democrats in Congress keep up their bullshit like Nancy Pelosi and whatnot and do not approve the bailout yes it would collapse.
Though I have already seen on the financial news tonite the Democrats and the Republicans have finally put aside the bullshit and are coming to an agreement to approve the bailout.

Fact is if the bailout did not happen then yes shit would hit the fan and we would have another Depression. Fact is they are stupid, but not stupid enough to not realize that.

Fact is no matter how much people hate GWB and how much of an idiot he can be a Dictator he is not. He wants a free country and economy. All Cheney wants is to invade countries he does not like. LOL

I would be more worried about Cheney trying to find a reason to attack Iran than the Government turning the country to martial law and creating a Dictatorship.

Fucking stupid conspiracy theorists on the internet that have no economic education or political education just have to post their bullshit.

The worst thing about the internet, is it gives every stupid fuck that exists, a chance to post the most baseless idiotic theories. About things that they know nothing about, at that.

Its like Supermarket Tabloids on Steriods.
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No, this is something that could happen under an Obama administration. Just look at his socialist ideology and friends.
If America became socialist the people living here wouldn't even be able to tell a difference haha.
They'd be like, "oh sweet, my life will still be the same, it will consist of working and eating and sleeping, except I won't have to worry about employment, housing, or health care, I'll still be fed the same garbage on tv, and I won't travel anywere and I won't have to know anything about the outside world, just like it has been up until now."

Obama is a communist, hahaha, I can't tell if you're being serious.
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Although I'm not completely convinced about anything I read concerning a serious topic in the U.S., it doesn't mean I won't leave an open mind.

I don't mean to offend you or anything, but switch to decaf. This is the second thread I see you reply in bashing anything dealing with "conspiracy theories." Lighten up, dude- it's just opinions being thrown around in a discussion.
LOL you don't mean to offend and then you go post that shit above. Ya and you assume a lot, you don't know me. I am personable nice person that's very friendly.
I don't tolerate ignorance and stupidity though and guess what? Most conspiracy theories are founded on ignorance and stupidity! Hence them being called a conspiracy theory. "Switch to decaf" lol . Why don't you just use your brain .

Their is a difference between being open minded and just blindly accepting all the fodder that comes down the pike. Obviously your open minded to a fault. Oh and I happen to be quite open minded. Though I have my opinions and if you don't like it don't read it.

Oh and the fuck that Matej has jumped right in with his ignorant comments about Americans just totally adds to the bullshit.

I bet you think their planting bugs in your head and monitoring every move you make too.
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LOL you don't mean to offend and then you go post that shit above. Ya and you assume a lot, you don't know me. I am personable nice person that's very friendly.
I don't tolerate ignorance and stupidity though and guess what? Most conspiracy theories are founded on ignorance and stupidity hence them being called a conspiracy theory. Switch to decaf lol . Why don't you just use your brain for once . Their is a difference between being open minded and just blindly accepting all the fodder that comes down the pike. obviously your open minded to a fault. Oh and I happen to be quite open minded. Though I have my opinions and if you don't like it don't read it.

Oh and the fuck that Matej has jumped right in with his ignorant comments about Americans just totally adds to the bullshit.
You're right, I don't know you, and like I said, I wasn't trying to offend. If you think I was, that's fine. I was just letting you know how I perceived your response. I also tried to use a bit of tact by throwing in the "switch to decaf" joke. Yes, it was a joke.

If you have a problem with me just letting you know what I think of you, then I apologize, but I didn't realize it was that big of a deal.
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LOL you don't mean to offend and then you go post that shit above. Ya and you assume a lot, you don't know me. I am personable nice person that's very friendly.
I don't tolerate ignorance and stupidity though and guess what? Most conspiracy theories are founded on ignorance and stupidity! Hence them being called a conspiracy theory. "Switch to decaf" lol . Why don't you just use your brain .

Their is a difference between being open minded and just blindly accepting all the fodder that comes down the pike. Obviously your open minded to a fault. Oh and I happen to be quite open minded. Though I have my opinions and if you don't like it don't read it.

Oh and the fuck that Matej has jumped right in with his ignorant comments about Americans just totally adds to the bullshit.

I bet you think their planting bugs in your head and monitoring every move you make too.
I hope you are going to "The Happening" meet. I want to shake your hand, because your posts always make me chuckle.




On another note I have stop making these useless threads for my own enjoyment.

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No, this is something that could happen under an Obama administration. Just look at his socialist ideology and friends.
Exactly. Anyone who doesn't see that deserves their fate when they vote for him and he wins.
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Oh and the fuck that Matej has jumped right in with his ignorant comments about Americans just totally adds to the bullshit.

I bet you think their planting bugs in your head and monitoring every move you make too.
No need for that as long as I keep using my credit card, paying bills, going to school, having a job, keep a driver's license, log onto the internet, use my phone, or chat with a couple long-lost friends and having the police called on us to take and run our information through a computer only to kick us out of a closed down restaurant's empty parking lot for being suspected of loitering, freedom.
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No need for that as long as I keep using my credit card, paying bills, go to school, keep a driver's license, log onto the internet, use my phone, or chat with a couple long-lost friends and having the police called on us to take and run our information through a computer only to kick us out of closed down restaurant's empty parking lot, freedom
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You're right, I don't know you, and like I said, I wasn't trying to offend. If you think I was, that's fine. I was just letting you know how I perceived your response. I also tried to use a bit of tact by throwing in the "switch to decaf" joke. Yes, it was a joke.

If you have a problem with me just letting you know what I think of you, then I apologize, but I didn't realize it was that big of a deal.
Well lets sum it up like this. You made a offensive comment to try and make a point, but you tried a put a disclaimer on it.
Even though in the back of your head you were aware it could be taken offensively because it was offensive. If had not been offensive there would have been no reason to say "I don't mean to offend or be offensive".
Thats called a personal cop out on your part. If you really did not mean to offend you would never have made the comment.
So you can either cop to it or deny it but its spelled out right there. By trying to claim it was a joke you know have attempted to excuse yourself from the act of offense by doing so.
Though again, if I had not responded to it you would not have claimed it as a joke, and claiming it was using tact. Which I call bullshit on as well. LOL

Its not so much of having a problem with what you think of me. Its your pathetic attempt to couch it in a covert offensive remark and fake humor and tact.
Do you dodge everything in life this way?
I love debates, I love stating my opinion. I am known for it. I am also known for preferring facts over fiction(unless its a novel LOL)
I can't stand conspiracy theories because they are 98% uneducated fiction rooted in 2% fact at best.

If you want to be a ignorant person, believing conspiracy theories in the name of open mindedness fine.
Realize this though. Just because I believe and will state, that I feel conspiracy theories are bullshit, does not make me close minded. If you think that then you really need to open your eyes.
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...They'd be like, "oh sweet, my life will still be the same, it will consist of working and eating and sleeping, except I won't have to worry about employment, housing, or health care.
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Obama is a communist, hahaha, I can't tell if you're being serious.

His ideas are far left. There is no doubt about it that he is a socialist. Sure there's a difference between communism and socialism on paper.. but let's face it, it's just different colored shit and they stink either way.
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Well lets sum it up like this. You made a offensive comment to try and make a point, but you tried a put a disclaimer on it.
Even though in the back of your head you were aware it could be taken offensively because it was offensive. If had not been offensive there would have been no reason to say "I don't mean to offend or be offensive".
Thats called a personal cop out on your part. If you really did not mean to offend you would never have made the comment.
So you can either cop to it or deny it but its spelled out right there. By trying to claim it was a joke you know have attempted to excuse yourself from the act of offense by doing so.
Though again, if I had not responded to it you would not have claimed it as a joke, and claiming it was using tact. Which I call bullshit on as well. LOL

Its not so much of having a problem with what you think of me. Its your pathetic attempt to couch it in a covert offensive remark and fake humor and tact.
Do you dodge everything in life this way?
I love debates, I love stating my opinion. I am known for it. I am also known for preferring facts over fiction(unless its a novel LOL)
I can't stand conspiracy theories because they are 98% uneducated fiction rooted in 2% fact at best.

If you want to be a ignorant person, believing conspiracy theories in the name of open mindedness fine.
Realize this though. Just because I believe and will state, that I feel conspiracy theories are bullshit, does not make me close minded. If you think that then you really need to open your eyes.
Wow. Ok. I made sure to say that I wasn't trying to offend you because I was trying to make sure that you knew I wasn't trying to. Since it's been my experience that a lot of people get touchy about certain subject matters, I try to be as clear in my intentions as I can.

Obviously in this case, there's no winning with you. I realize it may seem I was blatantly trying to offend you and that I wasn't joking, especially to you since you were the person it was aimed torwards, but you were the one that chose to interpret it in the manner you did. If I wanted to offend you, I would've done so in a much more crude way. I would have simply told you to fuck off and get off my nuts about my posts since I don't really care about what you have to say. (I'm sure you'll try to twist that and make it seem like that's what I really want to tell you though it's not, seeing as though I really don't care anymore.)

And no, I don't spend my life trying to avoid serious confrontations. I enlisted in the Corps and loved it. I did what I had to, held myself accountable for any mistakes made, and damn sure didn't take any crap from anyone who decided to give me any. I also learned that regardless of how badly you want to take someone's head off, you have to use tact and avoid anything serious, because without that discipline you don't deserve respect.

I don't believe in conspiracy theories, and I don't really pay much attention to anything that goes on with the government, even these elections because I just stopped caring. At this point, things keep going to shit and I'm too concerned with my own problems to have to stress myself out worrying whether a douche or a dick is next in office. My only concern are my brothers/sisters in arms who are out there. Other than that, I don't care about too much else.

I replied to this thread due to an immense amount of boredom. Again, I don't say any of this to piss you off, but you know me as well as I know you, which is not at all. You don't know my intentions when it comes to what I say, and you sure as Hell can't tell me you do because this is the internet, like you said. You read and interpret. There's no body language, tones of voice, eyes going into different directions when they're lying/making things up, etc. Not everyone is full of crap.

For the record, I only typed all this because of said boredom. If I had anything more important to do, I wouldn't have cared enough to go through with this.
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No the Market is not going to collapse. That is the whole point of the bailout. If the stupid Democrats in Congress keep up their bullshit like Nancy Pelosi and whatnot and do not approve the bailout yes it would collapse.
Though I have already seen on the financial news tonite the Democrats and the Republicans have finally put aside the bullshit and are coming to an agreement to approve the bailout.

Fact is if the bailout did not happen then yes shit would hit the fan and we would have another Depression. Fact is they are stupid, but not stupid enough to not realize that.
The bail out isn't going to do ANYTHING but artificially keep prices high. So instead of letting these bad business fail, which was created by government interference in compelling these banks to give out these toxic loans to people at higher risk for defaulting. They're going to spend 700b to bail them out, 700b the government doesn't have. It might not even be 700b because the bail out is open ended that it could cost more.

So they pay for it by letting The Feds print more money and devalue the dollar.

What happened? Oil and Gold, commodities etc spiked up while we get stuck with worthless paper in our banks and holding the bag.

Sure letting them collapse would hurt, but the market will correct itself. The people who took out these loans need to learn a hard lesson. Don't live beyond your means.

These assets needed to be liquidated. Instead of a short term hurt, we're going to feel the effects of it over the next 2 presidential terms maybe even longer. It also sets a dangerous precedence by removing the inherent risk which only encourages MORE reckless investment further down the road for future government bail outs.

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No need for that as long as I keep using my credit card, paying bills, going to school, having a job, keep a driver's license, log onto the internet, use my phone, or chat with a couple long-lost friends and having the police called on us to take and run our information through a computer only to kick us out of a closed down restaurant's empty parking lot for being suspected of loitering, freedom.
I see nothing written in the constitution that says you can freely meet up with old friends and hang out on private property.
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^^Whats a constitution? I have never heard of such a silly thing in this country.

Nah, I think its great that we live in a country where we actually have the ability to talk about shit like this. I mean, even if things get real fucking bad here... At least we arent little starving africa babies with big distended stomachs from starvation like they show on the TV. Angolina Jolie can only adopt so many of us.
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^^Whats a constitution? I have never heard of such a silly thing in this country.

Nah, I think its great that we live in a country where we actually have the ability to talk about shit like this. I mean, even if things get real fucking bad here... At least we arent little starving africa babies with big distended stomachs from starvation like they show on the TV. Angolina Jolie can only adopt so many of us.
You're right. It will be even worse.

Those people have lived with meager means and off the land almost generation they have been here.

People here are used to sitting at home and going to the grocery store. When there is no more food at the grocery store. Americans will just lose their shit.
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