Bubbles

Why ugly?

Ugly people don't deserve to have basic rights?


Maybe not modeling but ugly people can't change the fact they were born ugly.

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tsx1racer04

Well, I hope the rest of the world doesn't think this at all. However, if you were in their shoes, I am 100% sure you would want someone like your mother's help.

Oh yeah, to answer the OP's question. I think world famine would probably be the most logical choice in controlling the population.

Otto347

Maybe the ugly people was a little off track. Maybe more along the lines of fat people?

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sirfallsalot243

There should be no more life sentences to prison.

If theyre bad enough to lock up forever, theyre bad enough to euthanize.

theicecreamdan

I just wonder where everybody's assumptions are before I ask more questions. This whole idea is ridiculous, it hasn't worked out well for anybody in the past, and its not going to be the answer any time in the future.

Prove to me that being a moron, money hungry, bitchy, spoiled or "useless" are genetic traits.
Since you can't do that you can't show that we are producing "inferior" life forms.

Every problem that anybody has complained about in this thread is a social problem, and we all contribute to them. If you don't like The Situation and Snooki; then you have already contributed to their existence by knowing who they are.

If you think we shouldn't take care of the ill, then hand your mom the loaded gun, and start filling out her unemployment paperwork.

We don't do shit like this because enough people realize that when humans start playing god things don't go as planned.

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amdnivram

what do you mean "if" we start playing god. Thats all we've been doing as a species. We've increased our life span to the point where we are still alive even after we can tend to ourselves. All we do is play god, we are just setting limits that state how far we can let things go. There are some cases in which people become useless because they cannot care for themselves. We are not producing inferior life forms, but we are promoting stupidity and other traits that weight us down as a species. We allow people who normally would be dead because of their inferior traits which include being a moron and etc, to continue living only because they can use the crutch called technology and society. Personally i wouldn't want to live unless i can sustain myself, i don't want to fool myself in thinking that i should be allowed to live as long as i want even if that means being carried through life. Through none of this was i talking about financial struggles since most are people who are completely able.

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theicecreamdan

So lets kill off all the non-productive people and put a ban on all technology that improves our quality of life. Just so we can be more "sustainable".

For the most part we aren't playing God at all. We might as well be playing compared to God if you think that designing technology is Godplay. I'm talking about the main idea of this thread, the idea that we can pass judgement on ______ group of people. The fats, the gays, the stupids, the blacks, the jews.

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amdnivram

im not saying that we should stop using technology but that if we are already taking these steps, going further cannot be argued against. I don't think we can pass judgment based on race or sexual preference, but if the individual isn't productive why not? I know its harsh but i don't see the justification in helping people who in no way can help themselves. If there was a possibility of being able to acquire help and benefit by it while learning to become productive and self sustainable then sure, unfortunately this is not the case.

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HalveBlue

There are several logical faults in your arguments.

1. Self-sufficiency is a farce. We live in a stratified society, which by definition means that we're all dependent on each other. This is a good thing. If we were all self-sufficient, the majority of your time would be spend trying to feed yourself. Our specialized economy has enabled us to allocated resources more efficiently, allowing us to focus on increasing our standard of living and quality of life.

2. Define productivity. It's not as simple as saying you're either productive or not. What about people that get laid off from work because of bad decision made by their employers, or other factors wholly independent of themselves? What about people that are injured or sick?

3. Almost every organism has a self-preservation instinct. Most people don't act kindly towards efforts to terminate their lives. In systems where individuals or segments of the population are severely disenfranchised there tends to be a lot of turbulence. For example, if someone doesn't have enough money to afford food, chances are they aren't going to sit there timidly and accept their fate. No, they're probably going to steal, lie, and cheat in order to eat. Taken to a large enough scale you'll have situations like the what happened in 18th century France.

"Let them eat cake!"

amdnivram

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1.By self sufficient i meant able to live without the constant help of others, now being the dependency that we display within our society is completely different. We depend on others to provide services and products, we exchange either for what we need. Th group im referring to is that which cannot do either. They have nothing to give and therefore should not receive anything in return. Being completely dependent without being useful in anyway should not be something that's encouraged. By supporting them all we are doing is opening our arms to the production of defective people within our society.

2.alright well by productive i mean the possibility of being able to produce something beneficial to him/herself or whatever society they are in. Anything they can offer in return for what they need to have a decent living.

3. Now a direct action doesn't have to be used in order to weed out those not able. Giving a helpful tap to those able and just down would encourage them to become productive and have something to offer. Those who cannot advance with that slight tap should not be given further help or a crutch. IF they have to resort to stealing because they are not willing then they deserve no pitty. I am not taking into class struggles into consideration because the ability to leave would be there. Yes there will be a struggle to overcome that, but if they are willing i do not see why its not possible. If they want to give up and have someone support them then they are expecting to have everything handed to them.

From personal experience, my childhood was one in which my family lived in a small quarter with one bathroom and a living room/kitchen. We did not have much money or a form of transportation.In a household of 5 people its not easy to feed all of them and buy any luxuries. Never have my parents asked for aid from the government and now they own a 500k house, 3 cars bought new within the last 6 years, and a nice amount waiting for their retirement. I guess you can say we were in poverty, but with initiative they quickly moved the hell out of there and became productive. If this was possible i don't see why other cannot do the same, nothing played a role in their success besides their will and hard work. So if people cannot work hard enough then in poverty is where they belong and i don't see why other should have the burden of pulling them out.



( now i hope no one asks what i mean by a decent living, or what benefits one could provide to society because if that's the case, this topic is something over ones head.- this isn't directed towards anyone, just saying )

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SlideWell

i believe birth control is the 1st step in population control. i think people should have to be approved to have a child or two.

Silviaoneday

LOL hell ya asian status!!

1. I do agree in some form of welfare. The ones who DESERVE it are the hard working families that hit bad times and need something to fall back on. The ones who don't deserve welfare are the ones driving Yukons on 22's,section 8 homes, the ones who sell drugs,do drugs. As a previous business owner I watched those kind of people come in and try and purchase cigarettes,alcohol with their EBT then drive off in a new car.

2. Healthcare, I do agree in healthcare, OBAMACARE NO! You have people out there who are in need of healthcare but don't meet the prerequisites: race,children,citizenship, we know what I'm refering to. Prime example college kid living on his own, takes responsibilty for his own bills, no job, but parents make to much money, trust me I know Ive been there. That student deserves it more then a lot of the people who receive these benefits.

3. Education, how can we cut education? There is not a logical answer for this, but then again we have a president who reads a telepromter to 6th graders

To sum it up, people are getting tired of working there buts off paying there taxes, abiding by the law while others abuse the law, rape the U.S. for benefits and live a better life. Anyone who knows how it is to work hard in life probably wont disagree with that statement. The ones who will are the people who soly rely on the government for help instead going out there and working like everyone else.

4. The war, yes the war we are fighting now costs a lot of money. Being there now with the situation here in America may not be the best, but it's what we have to do. There has been way to many acts of terrorism as we know just in the past few months. With these other countries developing nuclear weapons, should show us as America what their intentions are. We need to protect our own people and provide for them!!!

jspaeth

THIS is what pisses most people (including me off)....that there seem to be so many people just using/taking advantage of the system.

What a fucking joke our country is becoming....we penalize hard work and success with high taxes so that scumbags and trash can freeload.

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Otto347

And yet another good point.

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90hatchie

i think u should be limited to how many kids you have based on ur income

RNGWLD

Dude,

just the fact that you simply ask "um, hypothetically speaking, I don't understand why we can't exterminate people that are a problem like we exterminate animals", in this day and age, merits that response. Wanna know something funny? just the fact that you posted that question on a friggin car forum would make some people think that you are part of "everything thats wrong with the world."

You asked a hypothetical question, and I gave a straight up answer. I even threw in illustrations with captions even a 6th grader could understand, so hopefully anyone with a couple of brain cells would understand how fucking ironic history is....

Hell, just by reading through this thread is enough to confirm my point. A lot of people can't stop talking about "inferior life forms", "letting the not-self sufficient fend off by themselves", all the way up to "hey lets kill off the kids with down syndrome". (And unsurprisingly, it wasn't long before someone threw in "Zomg Obamacare socialist communism eeeevillll 1111!!!) Im just pointing out that every time you point your fingers at someone and say "hey these people are the problem they are not awesome like me!!", some one else is looking right at you and saying the same shit.

Otto347

what was that, didn't quite hear you?

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0100

This is the first time I looked into this sub forum, because I am really not into politics and shit, because it enrages me, no seriously, like I may end up in prison for life because of it... but anyways.

I agree 100%.

I look at our society and it's pathetic. Survival of the fittest is [was] in place for a reason. The weak, dumb, etc die off. That is GOOD for society. That is the way it suppose to work. The strong and smart live on and procreate with better odds of creating a smart strong offspring. Natural selection. Very Very important in evolution.

I was at the grocery store the other day and an obese man about 40 who couldn't even walk, had to use a motorized cart with an O2 tank on the back, was going about buying food with no fear.

Can you imagine if this was the wild (no motorized cart, no O2, no van with wheelchair lift, no wheelchair accessed government paid house, no food stamps, no welfare check). The 400lb blob of a "man" who can barely breath on his own, never mine walk, would have been hunted and eaten by humans or what not in seconds.

Instead he goes about living like a dumb blob of a human, procreating if he wishes. Creating more dumb weak blobs. Blobs that will be protected by our very own society.

Blobs are just one example, I could give plenty more examples of "humans" that wouldn't last a day if we truly did live in a survival of the fittest society.

This is why I hate politics, our government and taxes. I have to bust my ass and pay taxes for a system that rewards the weak and stupid.

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0100

I guess I will chime in and say I am not saying gun them down, but we really do have lots of people living (if you want to call it that) because of our advances in medical technology. Yes it's fine if that person can now (after receiving out advanced medical help) contribute positively in our society, and go on living. I'm all for it, but someone in bed not even in their right mind is a complete waste. I already told my wife if I ever end up like that pull the plug. We are not meant to live like that. I put my dog down, and I can tell you right now I loved her more than anything. I would put myself down before that old girl.

I get MR pt's a lot and when they get sick, they get really sick. Advance MR pt's really can't do anything for themselves and these pt are 30, 40, 50 years old. Again they can't do much of anything for themselves and they made it to 50 years old. How is that even possible, because of the society we live in, that's how.

I am not trying to sound cruel but these people wouldn't have made it that long in a survival of the fittest society. It's designed to cut out the weak before they can procreate. I am honestly not saying this stuff to sound like a psycho monster. The system is there for a very good reason "scientifically speaking".

Elderly portion of the population is another part of the system. They paid their dues and that is why the society should (and does in the wild) protect them just as they do the babies. Babies and elderly are protected in the wild by their pack or what not, they don't however protect a weak, sick or deformed baby. It's en-grained that it would only bring the pack down.



Moron and useless could definitely be genetic traits. Taken to the extreme an advanced MR person is both those.

Let just say scientifically speaking. don't bring in anything moral or what is right or wrong. Not saying it's right.

Say our society had a test at birth like the APGAR test we have now, but on a more extreme level. If the baby passes he/she lives, if the baby fails it gets terminated.

Then at every birth day you take a test specifically designed to weed out the weak(physically, mentally, creatively).

Say 2000 years ago we started that, which society do you think would be more advanced? Our current society or the tested society. Answer honestly.

My answer is the tested society. I really do believe that. Not that I test my two sons on their birthday and kill them if they fail. BUT I am always trying to advance them because it is my job as a parent. Will some low life who doesn't even want to work, put as much effort into educating their child(advancing the society) as I do, probably not but who knows. My oldest son at 2 years 10 months, is light years ahead of kids in his same age group. I am always challenging him mentally and physically and the best part is he doesn't even know it. Because everything I do with him is like a game. Like Ninja Warrior. He loves playing ninja warrior but doesn't realize the course he has fun playing on is creating awesome dexterity and strength. Building his skateboard is fun to him but not even 3 and knowing what the bearings are and why the wheels need them, and why they need to be cleaned and oiled, is an education on friction and mechanics. We don't just mindlessly put the skateboard together, we talk about it and what each part does and why it is there. May god strike me down he can tell me what food has a little protein, a lot of protein, sugar. Again we don't just mindlessly sit there and eat a snack. I am not some crazy drill Sargent either. I am actually one of the silliest dudes you will ever meet, and that is why I think they learn so much from me. Kids learn for song and games. Sorry went off on a tangent, but the point is.... A society of mentally and physically strong people are going to want their off springs to advance the best they can. Versus someone who is mentally and physically weak will most likely not have as much drive and/or ability to advance their off spring. I said most likely as I don't have time to research it, and really don't want to waste any more of my time to prove my point.

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murda-c

Does this mean that if any of you were to lose your job and then a few months later become a high level quadriplegic you would refuse help if you couldn't afford it?

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0100

In the survival of the fittest society you would never be asked for that help weather you wanted it or not.

People are trying to turn this into a moral question it's a scientific question.

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amdnivram

even if it does become a moral questions, morality has never been uniform. As horrible as it may seem i see nothing wrong with refusing to help those who can help themselves, but choose not to. And to comment on RNGWLD, i just don't thin your getting what everyone else is talking about. I'm sure that in the past the " inferior beings" were strictly race and sexuality bound. From what i've read and what my interpretation of the question was, has nothing to do with race or sexuality. It is addressing a issue that transcends this and belong to no specific area. your trying to argue against something was was never mentioned to begin with. We are not looking for what some prejudice individuals would say, so unless we are a leach on society i dont see how any of us would qualify for that. If some upper class indivudual said that im inferior because of my race and social/economic status i would have to ask why. I am not poor,and i do provide some sort of beneficial product to society and therefore by just using logic it would no longer become an argument based on facts. No one here is taking an extreme view to this and saying that race,sexual preference, gender, or class would be the determining factor as to what is an inferior life form. Any arguments using these illogical points are obvious not valid and born out of pure stupidity. In the end its just a logic that providing everything that one needs for success will just make them weak minded and heavily dependent on other just to survive. Its not about being better than someone else, its about the amount of effort you put into being where you are that makes this an argument. No matter how hard the situation at one point there has been a chance to move on.

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datboibrad

so whats being said is we should be ok with the idea of Genocide? we send how many troops to different nations fighting the exact same ideology? i mean i could be way off base or reading to much into this thread, but it sounds quite hypocritical.

but i do agree and have come across many a fellow while catering to the public that this earth would be better off without.

amdnivram

yeah its all hypothetical, but i am cold-hearted and its not genocide if your acts are not directly causing death. All i'm talking about the the refusal to continuously help people for long spans of time, if this causes the weak to not survive then so be it. Everyone should have a chance to get help, but not if they are solely dependent on it and have no intentions of moving on and bettering themselves.

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OBEEWON

Survival of the fittest only works with animals. We have to ability to reason, use morality, empathy etc. I doubt anyone here could survive on thier own in the true sense of natrual selection. I bet most on here can't even cook a meal, much less plant and harvest.

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OBEEWON

Just because there is not a census does not mean that morality is mute. There are lots of "opinions" on morality but bias aside humanity knows the general bounds. This is law comes from. It's not a coincidence that all countries have similar laws i.e. - murder, kidnapping, rape, etc. so that argument is not really valid.

Otherwise no one would have stopped Hitler.

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Summed up,

Cosign

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amdnivram

It can also be argued that the only reason why the general bounds for morality exist is only because it is the most convenient thing to do. Not because they empathize for others but because it would be much easier to live without having to worry about being murdered or stolen from. I'm sure that in come cases morality can come to play, but because we don't all share a uniform idea of it the possibility of ulterior motives is completely justified and true for some cases.

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jspaeth

Although most of could not "survive on our own", the reason society and standard of living increases, is because different people provide different goods and services (specialization) that COLLECTIVELY makes us better.

Even with complete anarchy, people would survive, because they could HELP each other.

What you are NOT getting, is that there are A LOT of people out there that don't do JACK shit to give back. Their contribution to society is NET NEGATIVE.

I can't grow food or do heart surgery or run a mile very fast, but there are a lot of other things I can do that people are willing to pay me for in our society in exchange for giving me food, housing, etc.

People that just sit around like lumps on a log collecting from the government and then buy drugs or rims for their cars that they bought from their "tax credits" (how can you get a credit for taxes you never payed?) deserve to be CUT OFF. They don't contribute anything.

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0100

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OBEEWON we are animals (homo sapiens), and survival of the fittest does and is working with us animals, just not in the effect it suppose to be. We can never get rid of it 100%, but we are pretty damn close with our society, and all it's doing is hurting us as a whole.

OBEEWON & RNGWLD, you guys are missing the point. It has absolutely nothing to do with race, color, or creed. Nothing.

I am not saying not to help out your fellow man, just don't spoon feed him. If you give a man a fish.... Even in the wild animals will help each other out, just look at an ant colony. The animals in the wild however know when enough help is enough.

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