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Old 09-09-2008, 09:00 AM   #1
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Obama... citizen... not a citizen... WTF?

http://www.americasright.com/2008/08...a-federal.html

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A prominent Philadelphia attorney and Hillary Clinton supporter filed suit this afternoon in the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Pennsylvania against Illinois Sen. Barack Obama, the Democratic National Committee and the Federal Election Commission. The action seeks an injunction preventing the senator from continuing his candidacy and a court order enjoining the DNC from nominating him next week, all on grounds that Sen. Obama is constitutionally ineligible to run for and hold the office of President of the United States.

Philip Berg, the filing attorney, is a former gubernatorial and senatorial candidate, former chair of the Democratic Party in Montgomery (PA) County, former member of the Democratic State Committee, and former Deputy Attorney General of Pennsylvania. According to Berg, he filed the suit--just days before the DNC is to hold its nominating convention in Denver--for the health of the Democratic Party.

"I filed this action at this time," Berg stated, "to avoid the obvious problems that will occur when the Republican Party raises these issues after Obama is nominated.".

Berg cited a number of unanswered questions regarding the Illinois senator's background, and in today's lawsuit maintained that Sen. Obama is not a natural born U.S. citizen or that, if he ever was, he lost his citizenship when he was adopted in Indonesia. Berg also cites what he calls "dual loyalties" due to his citizenship and ties with Kenya and Indonesia.

Even if Sen. Obama can prove his U.S. citizenship, Berg stated, citing the senator's use of a birth certificate from the state of Hawaii verified as a forgery by three independent document forensic experts, the issue of "multi-citizenship with responsibilities owed to and allegiance to other countries" remains on the table.

In the lawsuit, Berg states that Sen. Obama was born in Kenya, and not in Hawaii as the senator maintains. Before giving birth, according to the lawsuit, Obama's mother traveled to Kenya with his father but was prevented from flying back to Hawaii because of the late stage of her pregnancy, "apparently a normal restriction to avoid births during a flight." As Sen. Obama's own paternal grandmother, half-brother and half-sister have also claimed, Berg maintains that Stanley Ann Dunham--Obama's mother--gave birth to little Barack in Kenya and subsequently flew to Hawaii to register the birth.

Berg cites inconsistent accounts of Sen. Obama's birth, including reports that he was born at two separate hospitals--Kapiolani Hospital and Queens Hospital--in Honolulu, as well a profound lack of birthing records for Stanley Ann Dunham, though simple "registry of birth" records for Barack Obama are available in a Hawaiian public records office.

Should Sen. Obama truly have been born in Kenya, Berg writes, the laws on the books at the time of his birth hold that U.S. citizenship may only pass to a child born overseas to a U.S. citizen parent and non-citizen parent if the former was at least 19 years of age. Sen. Obama's mother was only 18 at the time. Therefore, because U.S. citizenship could not legally be passed on to him, Obama could not be registered as a "natural born" citizen and would therefore be ineligible to seek the presidency pursuant to Article II, Section 1 of the United States Constitution.



Moreover, even if Sen. Obama could have somehow been deemed "natural born," that citizenship was lost in or around 1967 when he and his mother took up residency in Indonesia, where Stanley Ann Dunham married Lolo Soetoro, an Indonesian citizen. Berg also states that he possesses copies of Sen. Obama's registration to Fransiskus Assisi School In Jakarta, Indonesia which clearly show that he was registered under the name "Barry Soetoro" and his citizenship listed as Indonesian.

The Hawaiian birth certificate, Berg says, is a forgery. In the suit, the attorney states that the birth certificate on record is a forgery, has been identified as such by three independent document forensic experts, and actually belonged to Maya Kasandra Soetoro, Sen. Obama's half-sister.

"Voters donated money, goods and services to elect a nominee and were defrauded by Sen. Obama's lies and obfuscations," Berg stated. "If the DNC officers ... had performed one ounce of due diligence we would not find ourselves in this emergency predicament, one week away from making a person the nominee who has lost their citizenship as a child and failed to even perform the basic steps of regaining citizenship as prescribed by constitutional laws."

"It is unfair to the country," he continued, "for candidates of either party to become the nominee when there is any question of the ability to serve if elected."

JUST TO BE CLEAR, I PERSONALLY HOLD NO POLITICAL AFFILIATIONS AND COULDN"T CARE LESS, BUT THOUGHT IT WAS INTERESTING THIS WAS ALL BROUGHT ABOUT BY A FELLOW PARTY MEMBER.
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Old 09-09-2008, 09:05 AM   #2
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JUST TO BE CLEAR, I PERSONALLY HOLD NO POLITICAL AFFILIATIONS AND COULDN"T CARE LESS, BUT THOUGHT IT WAS INTERESTING THIS WAS ALL BROUGHT ABOUT BY A FELLOW PARTY MEMBER.
Very much so, I will as well.

Odd we hadn't heard about this earlier.
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Good i hope he can't run i dont want him in office anyway...

I know i'm gonna get shit for this so fucking save it i don't wanna hear it...
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as I said, I hold no affiliation, but with the recent swing in female votes because of sarah palin, this only spells trouble for the democrats even further...
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Good i hope he can't run i dont want him in office anyway...

I know i'm gonna get shit for this so fucking save it i don't wanna hear it...
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isn't there also controversy about mccain? he was born in the panama canal zone in 1938, and it wasn't until 1953 that Congress passed a law specifying that children born with an American parent in the zone are considered citizens.

seems kinda lame, why file a suit now and make up an excuse like he's doing the democrats a favor? kinda tacky in that aspect.
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^^ Closer to Election day and it's supposed to fuck up his votes..

People will look at him differently and Sway voter towards McCain
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the recent swing in female votes because of sarah palin

God, this annoys the everliving shit out of me.

The two women couldn't be any more different politically.

Fucking stupid people.

p.s. not you DOOK, the situation.
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there is absolutely no way in hell the democratic party wouldn't have caught this beforehand.

snopes.com: Is Barack Obama a natural-born citizen of the U.S.?

Obama was born in Hawaii. Hawaii was a state when Obama was born. Obama is a U.S. born, U.S. citizen.
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Obama was born in Hawaii. Hawaii was a state when Obama was born. Obama is a U.S. born, U.S. citizen.
if you read the article, the guy claims to have 3 seperate forensic experts saying his Hawaiian paperwork are forgeries... and then it goes on to talk about him forfeiting his citizenship if he had it when he was adopted into Indonesia or something...
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Obama aint a Citizen....................


Oh well........
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Sweet, another irrelevant thing for people to moan and whine about, and pointlessly argue to no end.
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I heard that Obama was secretly a Muslim too
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Sounds like someone doesn't like black people. lol.

It's just another case of people to paint him to be unamerican when he's very much so american and more in touch with average Americans than McCain ever will be.
It just baffles me how less than 27% of Americans approve of GW Bush but McCain actually has a LEGIT shot at the presidency. McCain is turning this race into a personality contest.
Plus, he's banking on his voters being ignorant in his stint in Congress. His past in Congress includes agreeing with Bush 89% of the time, voting against EVERY (12) energy bills that would take the power away from lobbyists and having a HUGE history of voting against bills that would give veterans better healthcare, living, and education after the military. Not only that but he's made it very public priar to the RNC that he was going to nominate Joe Leiberman as his Vice but crumbled in the conservative wave. Just baffling.
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did you know his middle name is "Hussein?" that's like that one guy.

wait... wait a minute....

John McCain...
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God, this annoys the everliving shit out of me.

The two women couldn't be any more different politically.

Fucking stupid people.

p.s. not you DOOK, the situation.
Totally concur. Like it's been stated before, voting should require IQ testing.
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did you know his middle name is "Hussein?" that's like that one guy.

wait... wait a minute....

John McCain...
John Wilkes Booth...

holy shit.
So John McCain is going to kill the president... Wait. John McCain is going to become the president, and he's going to kill... HIMSELF?!

You my good sir have just stumbled upon the entire secret plan the Illuminati have made for our country to do... whatever it is they want to do. Maybe have Friday changed from Casual Friday to Pizza Friday...

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So John McCain is going to kill the president... Wait. John McCain is going to become the president, and he's going to kill... HIMSELF?!

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NOOOOOOO! That would mean a unqualified Journalism major would become president.
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Sounds like someone doesn't like black people. lol.

It's just another case of people to paint him to be unamerican when he's very much so american and more in touch with average Americans than McCain ever will be.
It just baffles me how less than 27% of Americans approve of GW Bush but McCain actually has a LEGIT shot at the presidency. McCain is turning this race into a personality contest.
Plus, he's banking on his voters being ignorant in his stint in Congress. His past in Congress includes agreeing with Bush 89% of the time, voting against EVERY (12) energy bills that would take the power away from lobbyists and having a HUGE history of voting against bills that would give veterans better healthcare, living, and education after the military. Not only that but he's made it very public priar to the RNC that he was going to nominate Joe Leiberman as his Vice but crumbled in the conservative wave. Just baffling.
I do not know where you get your facts from but McCain routinely voted against Bush and did not 89% of the time vote the Bush line. Obama is starting to talk about very Socialist economic policies.

Hmmm Welcome to The United Socialist States of America . Thank you NO.

If you think McCain is a Bush hack and following the Bush line you really need to go back and study his tenure in Congress. While has agreed on some things it is far from what you are claiming and he is a Maverick compared to Bush. I may not like McCain completely but I am not blinded by the Democratic white wash attempts they are throwing at McCain to promote the Socialist agenda. Ya I am a Democrat and yes I feel the party is leaning towards extreme Socialism.

Oh and you think that McCain picking Palin was pushed by the conservative wave? Man you seriously are uniformed. He changed his mind and picked Palin as a shrewd choice and decision to bring a women into the picture and blunt the statements the Democrats were trying to pin on him. Guess what not only did it work but though I may not agree with all of her Politics she is fucking pretty damn good and is pretty damn qualified.
It cracks me up how the Obama campaign is attacking Palin directly. A Presidential Candidate is attacking a vice presidential candidate. LOL Fail!! hahhahahhahaha
Once again the Democrats are going to destroy themselves in the course of the race which they have managed to do for the last few races.

I am a registered Democrat but I vote for who I feel is right. I do not tow a party line when I do not agree with it. That said, whoever I vote for is my business and I am just debating here for the shear enjoyment of it.
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I do not know where you get your facts from but McCain routinely voted against Bush and did not 89% of the time vote the Bush line. Obama is starting to talk about very Socialist economic policies.

Hmmm Welcome to The United Socialist States of America . Thank you NO.

If you think McCain is a Bush hack and following the Bush line you really need to go back and study his tenure in Congress. While has agreed on some things it is far from what you are claiming and he is a Maverick compared to Bush. I may not like McCain completely but I am not blinded by the Democratic white wash attempts they are throwing at McCain to promote the Socialist agenda. Ya I am a Democrat and yes I feel the party is leaning towards extreme Socialism.
I'm not disagreeing with you but do you have link?
I've heard as low as 89% and as high as 95%
FactCheck.org: Is it true John McCain voted with George Bush 95 percent of the time?
not sure how credible

It is FACT that 100% in 2008 and all but 1 in 2007. I listen to the BBC A LOT and most of my facts come from there since they're non biased.

I'm also a constitutionalist and have always voted Republican before Bush, even before I could vote. I just don't like the direction this country is going and McCain just doesn't offer enough (hate to beat a dead horse) change
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as I said, I hold no affiliation, but with the recent swing in female votes because of sarah palin, this only spells trouble for the democrats even further...
lol at sarah palin. what a cunt.

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lol at sarah palin. what a cunt.

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sarah palin. I want her cunt.

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Oh and you think that McCain picking Palin was pushed by the conservative wave? Man you seriously are uniformed. He changed his mind and picked Palin as a shrewd choice and decision to bring a women into the picture and blunt the statements the Democrats were trying to pin on him. Guess what not only did it work but though I may not agree with all of her Politics she is fucking pretty damn good and is pretty damn qualified.
It cracks me up how the Obama campaign is attacking Palin directly. A Presidential Candidate is attacking a vice presidential candidate. LOL Fail!!
Honestly, what qualified her to become Governer? What qualified her to be Mayor? She received a little over 500 votes her first term and being a small town mayor qualifies her to lead a state? THEN, she leads the 47th most populous state during a time when the previous regime was ALREADY IN PROCESS of indictment and she takes credit and become super popular. Not to mention that she has zero knowledge of foreign policies and very minimum amount of schooling to lead any type of office, let alone Vice President.
But I do have to give the Republican party credit, they're painting her in the perfect way. I'm sure there's tons of "hockey moms" that identify with her and will probably get their vote, based only on her small town values.
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lol. I said it before I will say it again....I'd rather mouth pump her. That snatch must be ripped to shreds after 5 fucking children.
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If Barack wins, he will have an affair with Sarah Palin.

July 28th, Sarah Palin said in an interview that she didn't even know what the Vice President does from day to day, yet 6 weeks later she is qualified to do the job? Fuck, entry level call center jobs offer more training than that.
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