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Om1kron · 04-27-2010, 05:23 PM

yeah so basically the cops busted dudes house because he purchased stolen property and on top of things gizmodo has made over 200k in revenue thanks to this iphone 4g hype posted on their website. So of course apple is going to get it's revenge and PAID.

***S14DB*** · 04-27-2010, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Om1kron

yeah so basically the cops busted dudes house because he purchased stolen property and on top of things gizmodo has made over 200k in revenue thanks to this iphone 4g hype posted on their website. So of course apple is going to get it's revenge and PAID.

Did he buy it or did Gizmodo? I think the reason they took his financial info is to find out who cut the check to the guy.

Giz is going to say they paid him for the story of how he got the phone and he gave them the phone to give back to Apple because he had been unsuccessful.

Sure it's semantics but, you have to prove without reasonable doubt in this country.

Strider · 04-27-2010, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Om1kron

yeah so basically the cops busted dudes house because he purchased stolen property and on top of things gizmodo has made over 200k in revenue thanks to this iphone 4g hype posted on their website. So of course apple is going to get it's revenge and PAID.

The property wasn't stolen but lost. Even Apple will acknowledge that. People believe Apple is doing this because Gizmodo wouldn't reveal who the guy was that they purchased the phone off of because of an extension of freedom of the press giving journalists(Gizmodo) a legal protection to keep the identity of a source private. Also, the Privacy Protection Act protects journalists from exactly this. Journalists can purchased illegal goods if it pertains to some kind of journlastic interest as long as it doesn't involve child pornography and or national security. This warrant and raid should not have even been approved let alone reach the judges desk.

Frank(this raid makes me wonder how strong of an influence Apple really does have within REACT)

*!Zar!* · 04-27-2010, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Strider

The property wasn't stolen but lost. Even Apple will acknowledge that.

Sorry if I missed it, but sources?

Strider · 04-27-2010, 06:31 PM

I stand corrected. Apple itself hasn't' admitted that it was lost but the instead the actual engineer who lost did instead. I think that's just as good as Apple saying it themselves.

Will Apple iPhone Loser Lose His Job?

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Will Apple iPhone Loser Lose His Job?
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Will Gray Powell -- the man who lost a prototype Apple iPhone and broke the code of silence surrounding the company's unreleased products -- lose his job? And if he does, who's responsible?

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Will Gray Powell -- the man who lost a prototype Apple iPhone and broke the code of silence surrounding the company's unreleased products -- lose his job? And if he does, who's responsible?

That's the question on the lips of anyone watching the drama unfold around the device found in a bar in California that turned out to be the new iPhone 4G. Gray Powell is the Apple employee who lost it -- and there was no hiding for him after technology blog Gizmodo printed his name and photo after an interview with him in which they said he "sounded tired and broken."

An engineer who helps build the software that enables the iPhone to make calls, Powell is now the pin-up boy of several "Save Gray Powell" fan clubs on social networking sites. And Gizmodo is under increasing pressure to justify two things: a) Whether it should have paid for, kept and dismantled a product under development and b) whether it was right to publish the name and photo of the person responsible for losing it.

Gizmodo contributing editor John Hermann -- who interviewed Mr Powell and Wednesday revealed details on Apple's failure to get its phone back -- says he doesn't know Mr Powell's fate, other than "this has to be rough on him."

He said Gizmodo wouldn't be doing its job if it didn't break the story properly.

After it was discovered on the dirty floor of a Redwood City, Calif. bar, tech-enthusiast website Gizmodo carefully studied what it believes is the latest iPhone incarnation.

"People read us because they're obsessed with tech, either as a hobby, or as part of a recognition that it's becoming drastically more important in their daily lives," he said. "As tech writers, if we knew about something like this and didn't look into it, didn't report it, we wouldn't be doing our jobs."

Hermann said Gizmodo took a chance by spending $5,000 to acquire the phone and didn't even realize what they had until they published the story.

Apple's rapid reply confirmed their suspicions.

"We spent around a week vetting it, decided it was legit, and published our story," Hermann said. "When Apple asked for it back, on record, we gave it back."

The letter of reply from Gizmodo read: "P.S. I hope you take it easy on the kid who lost it. I don't think he loves anything more than Apple."

In an apology of sorts to Powell, a story today by Gizmodo editorial director Brian Lam told Mr Powell they "couldn't resist a good story" and to "keep your head up."

"After all, it's just a f**king iPhone and mistakes happen to everyone," it read.

But Gizmodo's readers weren't so keen to brush the news -- and the method of getting it -- under the mat.

"Printing the name and photograph of the engineer who lost it was unnecessary and tasteless," one wrote. "If you needed a photo for the story, you had lots of options," the reader continued.

"If you had printed all of those details (the bar, finding the Facebook page, etc), but withheld the name, it's still the same story."

Mr Powell wasn't the one who handed the phone over to Gizmodo. Someone sitting near him was given the phone after he left and held onto it for three weeks. "I thought it was just an iPhone 3GS," he told Gizmodo. "It just looked like one. I tried the camera, but it crashed three times."

The finder had time to access Powell's Facebook account and record his last status update: "I underestimated how good German beer is."

His Twitter account also showed Mr Powell was celebrating his birthday on the night in question.

Gizmodo paid the finder $5,000 for the phone, after he claimed he'd tried to give it back, but the only people he could speak to at Apple didn't want to know about it.

One Apple employee told Gizmodo he remembered the call coming in to a colleague next to him.

"We haven't gotten any notices or anything about a lost phone, much less anything stating we are making a new one," he said. "We wouldn't have any idea what to do with it and that's what sucks about working for Apple.

"We're given just enough info to try and help people but not enough info to do anything if someone calls like this."

*!Zar!* · 04-27-2010, 06:40 PM

I don't quite see a statement from Mr. Powell. Just ones of Gizmodo and their editor.

Not arguing to be a dick, just to state that Apple does seem to have legal ground.

Strider · 04-27-2010, 06:46 PM

^Completely understand. I just don't believe that Gizmodo would randomly pick out some engineer, say the talked about him losing the iPhone and then publish his name and stuff without him sueing them or taking some kind of action if what happened wasn't the case.

Secondly, there are actually a couple laws that are supposed to prevent what just happened to this editor. I don't think Apple has any legal ground to stand on this time. But I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

***Future240*** · 04-27-2010, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by !Zar!

I don't quite see a statement from Mr. Powell. Just ones of Gizmodo and their editor.

Not arguing to be a dick, just to state that Apple does seem to have legal ground.

I agree. I'm sure apple has told Powell to stfu. Apple may have legal ground but this still seems pettty. The phone has been released they should just get over it instead of wasting legal time and tax payer money.

Strider · 04-27-2010, 09:18 PM

^I think at this point Apple is trying to set an example of Gizmodo for others just in case something like this happens in the future, nothing more.

b-s14 · 04-27-2010, 09:57 PM

hmm, besides all the legal matter that is going on.

will this phone get Flash?

Strider · 04-27-2010, 10:07 PM

That is a big NO. Apple has updated its iPhone Developer Program License Agreement in the iPhone 4.0 SDK to specifically prohibit the development of apps using "an intermediary translation or compatibility layer or tool," which would include Adobe's Flash, Sun's Java, or Microsoft's Silverlight/Mono.

Apple is betting on HTML 5 to hopefully undo Adobe but until then I don't know what they are going to do with all the Android phones getting Flash(Froyo) on there and their phone still not being able to view some types of web pages and media.

lflkajfj12123 · 04-27-2010, 10:26 PM

lots of misinformation going on in this thread

beware

Strider · 04-27-2010, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by s0apgun

lots of misinformation going on in this thread

beware

Exactly what misinformation? Would be nice for you to enlighten us.

b-s14 · 04-28-2010, 02:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Strider

That is a big NO. Apple has updated its iPhone Developer Program License Agreement in the iPhone 4.0 SDK to specifically prohibit the development of apps using "an intermediary translation or compatibility layer or tool," which would include Adobe's Flash, Sun's Java, or Microsoft's Silverlight/Mono.

Apple is betting on HTML 5 to hopefully undo Adobe but until then I don't know what they are going to do with all the Android phones getting Flash(Froyo) on there and their phone still not being able to view some types of web pages and media.

i did read somewhere that apple is still debating about flash, or maybe i think it was more like "no we wont give into adobe flash" such and such.

Mikey213 · 04-28-2010, 02:11 AM

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you dam apple fan boys are all over this hu... They just release the same shit over and over again and people go ape shit like its some revolutionary shit, fail

hahahahaha!

Strider · 04-28-2010, 02:55 AM

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Originally Posted by b-s14

i did read somewhere that apple is still debating about flash, or maybe i think it was more like "no we wont give into adobe flash" such and such.

I highly doubt that. Steve Jobs himself has said that they don't want flash because it will "undermine" the iPhone application process and progress of the iPhone itself(whatever that means?). Anyways, just type in 'Android Adobe' in Google and you'll pretty much catch up.

Matej · 04-28-2010, 03:34 AM

What if Mr. Bro was instructed to conveniently 'lose' the phone in order for 'someone' to conveniently 'find' it and make sure it gets to Gizmodo or other such publication so it may spread all over the internet, and all this controversy is just technology front page Apple publicity.

I wonder what percentage of bar patrons would actually realize that the phone they found is a highly controversial prototype. Since the finder did discover that, and actually made the effort to profit off of it, I am surprised he/she did not sell it to Apple for maximum gains. They would most likely be willing to cut some 'under the table' deal of more than 5000$ for the phone's safe return and for the finder to swear to secrecy, and this would never be news, if in fact the prototype was not supposed to go public.

And that is the script for my movie.

ayuaddict · 04-28-2010, 04:18 AM

Throw a renegade undercover cop, a few 10 second cars and a motec system exhaust into the mix and it sounds like your movie will pull a premium a week before race wars.

ill see you in the DESERT.

sickstatus · 04-28-2010, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by ayuaddict

Throw a renegade undercover cop, a few 10 second cars and a motec system exhaust into the mix and it sounds like your movie will pull a premium a week before race wars.

ill see you in the DESERT.

rofl.

*!Zar!* · 05-14-2010, 08:02 PM

So word on the street is Gizmodo dude is going to jail or paying fines for killing Apples sales in the future.

wh0aitznic0 · 05-14-2010, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by !Zar!

So word on the street is Gizmodo dude is going to jail or paying fines for killing Apples sales in the future.

You, me, and god know that's not gonna happen.

BustedS13 · 05-14-2010, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by wh0aitznic0

You, me, and god know that's not gonna happen.

it could. Apple is turning into quite the monster lately.

SochBAT · 05-14-2010, 09:33 PM

The best part of having legal protection for the freedom of press is having those protections dateraped by corporations sitting in committees of FUCK-YOU!

RiversideS13 · 05-15-2010, 02:58 AM

what about another prototype found in Vietnam? what can apple do to them?
VietNamNet
iPhone Vietnam vs. Gizmodo 4G Prototype : Product Reviews Net
http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/12/n...es-in-vietnam/

ronmcdon · 06-07-2010, 09:10 PM

Some updates.

apparently next iphone will be avail Jun 24th, w/ preorders avail next week.
AT&T seems desparate to retain existing customers.
If you can get a phone discount by anytime 2010, you are eligible right away.

16 gig phone $199 w/ contract
32 gig phone $299 w/ contract

8gig old 3g s, $99 w/ contract

No news (that I'm aware of) as to whether or not the Iphone is confirmed to extend to other carriers.
Personally Id opt to switch to T-mobile instead.

Heres a link to the Steve Jobs festivale or whatever its called.
Steve Jobs live from WWDC 2010 -- Engadget

revised pricing info

Strider · 06-07-2010, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by ronmcdon

Some updates.

apparently next iphone will be avail Jun 21st, w/ preorders avail next week.
AT&T seems desparate to retain existing customers.
If you can get a phone discount by anytime 2010, you are eligible right away.

No news (that I'm aware of) as to whether or not the Iphone is confirmed to extend to other carriers.
Personally Id opt to switch to T-mobile instead.

Heres a link to the Steve Jobs festivale or whatever its called.
Steve Jobs live from WWDC 2010 -- Engadget

AT&T didn't expect the Evo4G to pull away as many customers as it did.

In my opinion Evo > iPhone 4

lflkajfj12123 · 06-07-2010, 09:14 PM

I believe it's the 24th and your prices are wrong. It's $199 for 16 GB and $299 for 32 GB .

Available in white or black. I will be picking up a white one.

***Future240*** · 06-07-2010, 09:14 PM

^^^Soap is right. (Welcome back from Pink btw) Looking at Apple site now.

Bah I don't get a discount till 2011. Seems like an awesome phone than the 3G series. I am waiting on the Cydia community to get a hold of the 4.0 update.

ALTRNTV · 06-07-2010, 09:25 PM

Hmmm... that looks good, but I'll be waiting for what BlackBerry has to offer. Especially regarding this phone:

The BB "Slider"

I might be one of the BB --> iPhone converts... but it'll take a lot for me to switch.

lflkajfj12123 · 06-07-2010, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by future240

^^^Soap is right. (Welcome back from Pink btw) Looking at Apple site now.

Bah I don't get a discount till 2011. Seems like an awesome phone than the 3G series. I am waiting on the Cydia community to get a hold of the 4.0 update.

Yeah I had the first iPhone 3G for a while and jailbroke and unlocked it but it still wasn't suiting my fancy. Been using a Nokia e71x ever since because its so thin and made of steel. New iPhone is actually a little thinner and stronger. Time to switch... plus they're are so many more apps now.

Great thing about jailbroken iPhone was downloading app store apps for free

. Hella illegal hella sick.

Seems the dev team has been having troubles jailbreaking the latest version of iOS so we'll see how long it takes them to do it with 4.0.

04-27-2010, 05:23 PM	#31
Om1kron Post Whore! Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Simi Valley, CA Age: 40 Posts: 6,879 Trader Rating: (15) Feedback Score: 15 reviews	yeah so basically the cops busted dudes house because he purchased stolen property and on top of things gizmodo has made over 200k in revenue thanks to this iphone 4g hype posted on their website. So of course apple is going to get it's revenge and PAID. __________________ Wayne

04-27-2010, 06:40 PM	#36
!Zar! Premium Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: North Korea Posts: 14,576 Trader Rating: (27) Feedback Score: 27 reviews	I don't quite see a statement from Mr. Powell. Just ones of Gizmodo and their editor. Not arguing to be a dick, just to state that Apple does seem to have legal ground. __________________

04-27-2010, 06:46 PM	#37
Strider Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: SoCal, Corona Posts: 461 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	^Completely understand. I just don't believe that Gizmodo would randomly pick out some engineer, say the talked about him losing the iPhone and then publish his name and stuff without him sueing them or taking some kind of action if what happened wasn't the case. Secondly, there are actually a couple laws that are supposed to prevent what just happened to this editor. I don't think Apple has any legal ground to stand on this time. But I guess we'll just have to wait and see. __________________ I refuse to answer that question on the grounds that I don't know the answer.

04-27-2010, 09:18 PM	#39
Strider Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: SoCal, Corona Posts: 461 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	^I think at this point Apple is trying to set an example of Gizmodo for others just in case something like this happens in the future, nothing more. __________________ I refuse to answer that question on the grounds that I don't know the answer.

04-27-2010, 10:07 PM	#41
Strider Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: SoCal, Corona Posts: 461 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	That is a big NO. Apple has updated its iPhone Developer Program License Agreement in the iPhone 4.0 SDK to specifically prohibit the development of apps using "an intermediary translation or compatibility layer or tool," which would include Adobe's Flash, Sun's Java, or Microsoft's Silverlight/Mono. Apple is betting on HTML 5 to hopefully undo Adobe but until then I don't know what they are going to do with all the Android phones getting Flash(Froyo) on there and their phone still not being able to view some types of web pages and media. __________________ I refuse to answer that question on the grounds that I don't know the answer.

04-27-2010, 09:57 PM	#40
b-s14 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: VA Posts: 541 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	hmm, besides all the legal matter that is going on. will this phone get Flash?

04-27-2010, 10:26 PM	#42
lflkajfj12123 Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: 　　　　　　　　 Posts: 8,480 Trader Rating: (20) Feedback Score: 20 reviews	lots of misinformation going on in this thread beware

04-28-2010, 03:34 AM	#47
Matej Post Whore! Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: N/A Posts: 9,423 Trader Rating: (39) Feedback Score: 39 reviews	What if Mr. Bro was instructed to conveniently 'lose' the phone in order for 'someone' to conveniently 'find' it and make sure it gets to Gizmodo or other such publication so it may spread all over the internet, and all this controversy is just technology front page Apple publicity. I wonder what percentage of bar patrons would actually realize that the phone they found is a highly controversial prototype. Since the finder did discover that, and actually made the effort to profit off of it, I am surprised he/she did not sell it to Apple for maximum gains. They would most likely be willing to cut some 'under the table' deal of more than 5000$ for the phone's safe return and for the finder to swear to secrecy, and this would never be news, if in fact the prototype was not supposed to go public. And that is the script for my movie. Last edited by Matej; 04-28-2010 at 04:00 AM..

04-28-2010, 04:18 AM	#48
ayuaddict Post Whore! Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Socal Age: 32 Posts: 4,017 Trader Rating: (9) Feedback Score: 9 reviews	Throw a renegade undercover cop, a few 10 second cars and a motec system exhaust into the mix and it sounds like your movie will pull a premium a week before race wars. ill see you in the DESERT.

05-14-2010, 08:02 PM	#50
!Zar! Premium Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: North Korea Posts: 14,576 Trader Rating: (27) Feedback Score: 27 reviews	So word on the street is Gizmodo dude is going to jail or paying fines for killing Apples sales in the future. __________________

05-14-2010, 09:33 PM	#53
SochBAT Post Whore! Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Abilene, TX Age: 35 Posts: 6,428 Trader Rating: (9) Rides Gallery: SochBAT Feedback Score: 9 reviews	The best part of having legal protection for the freedom of press is having those protections dateraped by corporations sitting in committees of FUCK-YOU!

05-15-2010, 02:58 AM	#54
RiversideS13 Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Diamond Bar, CA Age: 39 Posts: 1,545 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	what about another prototype found in Vietnam? what can apple do to them? VietNamNet iPhone Vietnam vs. Gizmodo 4G Prototype : Product Reviews Net http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/12/n...es-in-vietnam/

06-07-2010, 09:10 PM	#55
ronmcdon Post Whore! Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: beverly hills Age: 86 Posts: 4,254 Trader Rating: (6) Feedback Score: 6 reviews	Some updates. apparently next iphone will be avail Jun 24th, w/ preorders avail next week. AT&T seems desparate to retain existing customers. If you can get a phone discount by anytime 2010, you are eligible right away. 16 gig phone $199 w/ contract 32 gig phone $299 w/ contract 8gig old 3g s, $99 w/ contract No news (that I'm aware of) as to whether or not the Iphone is confirmed to extend to other carriers. Personally Id opt to switch to T-mobile instead. Heres a link to the Steve Jobs festivale or whatever its called. Steve Jobs live from WWDC 2010 -- Engadget revised pricing info Last edited by ronmcdon; 06-07-2010 at 09:53 PM..

06-07-2010, 09:14 PM	#57
lflkajfj12123 Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: 　　　　　　　　 Posts: 8,480 Trader Rating: (20) Feedback Score: 20 reviews	I believe it's the 24th and your prices are wrong. It's $199 for 16 GB and $299 for 32 GB . Available in white or black. I will be picking up a white one.

06-07-2010, 09:25 PM	#59
ALTRNTV Post Whore! Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Western Conference Posts: 9,429 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Hmmm... that looks good, but I'll be waiting for what BlackBerry has to offer. Especially regarding this phone: The BB "Slider" I might be one of the BB --> iPhone converts... but it'll take a lot for me to switch.

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