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ixfxi · 11-08-2012, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by RedSiBaron

Ya there are a lot of broke dicks here but there are still people who spend money on them and may like them. 500 was merely my ceiling of I wont make them if they exceed that. I'd really prefer to see a lower cost than that. Again it's hand made shit not from China.

I can still make them and post but like I've been saying to make them first I have to do the tooling regardless of whether I make more for others. If people are interested it means I may be able to get it done faster and cheaper and more likely I'll go forward with it.

500 is not enough for a project like this. the first problem i see with this project is that you the engineer, are opening yourself up to the (useless) criticism from the uneducated/inexperienced zilvia community. you should not pay attention to their price requests nor should you pay attention to their design requests. you need to do what you think is best, and you need to engineer it in a way that it meets your standards, not zilvia standards. with that said, i can tell you that 500 is not enough to cover the costs AND justify the effort. simply put, you cannot build it at that price point and profit.

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Originally Posted by derux

PM me that cad file i want to make a set

get a job, ya bum...! you dont even have a 240 anymore. :-)

RedSiBaron · 11-08-2012, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by ixfxi

500 is not enough for a project like this. the first problem i see with this project is that you the engineer, are opening yourself up to the (useless) criticism from the uneducated/inexperienced zilvia community. you should not pay attention to their price requests nor should you pay attention to their design requests. you need to do what you think is best, and you need to engineer it in a way that it meets your standards, not zilvia standards. with that said, i can tell you that 500 is not enough to cover the costs AND justify the effort. simply put, you cannot build it at that price point and profit.

get a job, ya bum...! you dont even have a 240 anymore. :-)

thanks man, very appreciated...i mean we'll see, since i have access to all the equipment for tooling it might not be too expensive. it will be to my standards if i make it, plus people saying i could let people buy them and put their own headlights in. NO. Because ill sell it to some guy who does a zip tie headlight install and then some asshole will look at them and post all over the internet on how they look like crap because of that detail.

I'll probably end up making them and offering a group buy, but ultimately having to just make them for only the people willing to put up the cash.

Minz · 11-08-2012, 04:22 PM

Abflug x Oldschool!

derux · 11-08-2012, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by ixfxi

get a job, ya bum...! you dont even have a 240 anymore. :-)

I got to do something to pay for your services...

kouki-gymkhana · 11-08-2012, 08:10 PM

Who said I got the CAD file for free? I was just responding to the picture in the post.

derux · 11-09-2012, 10:05 AM

Well you got the fild and I work at a sheetmetal shop so I could make some. I think there was a song in the 80's that went somethig like that.

Corbic · 11-09-2012, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by xoxide

Looks like the bastard child of a 300zx

I see a stronger resemblance to something far far worse.

RedSiBaron · 11-09-2012, 11:02 AM

Haha they don't look anything like that...besides it's an s13 it's not really considered a beautiful or classic design. Its basically a combination of a Ferrari Daytona and a corvette anyway.

racepar1 · 11-09-2012, 11:15 AM

If you made actual good quality replicas of those lights they would sell like crazy. The AB flug lights are the best looking flush lights that I have ever seen for a 240. Anybody with a street driven track car would be stupid to not want them...

racepar1 · 11-09-2012, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by ixfxi

500 is not enough for a project like this. the first problem i see with this project is that you the engineer, are opening yourself up to the (useless) criticism from the uneducated/inexperienced zilvia community. you should not pay attention to their price requests nor should you pay attention to their design requests. you need to do what you think is best, and you need to engineer it in a way that it meets your standards, not zilvia standards. with that said, i can tell you that 500 is not enough to cover the costs AND justify the effort. simply put, you cannot build it at that price point and profit.

I would say closer to $1,000 for a really nice quality product.

ixfxi · 11-09-2012, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by kouki-gymkhana

Who said I got the CAD file for free? I was just responding to the picture in the post.

cool. can i have a copy of the cad file too?

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Originally Posted by racepar1

I would say closer to $1,000 for a really nice quality product.

and then we run into the radiator core support, which MUST be cut.

one of many obstacles, imo...

racepar1 · 11-09-2012, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by ixfxi

and then we run into the radiator core support, which MUST be cut.

one of many obstacles, imo...

Cutting and welding is fun, no prob for me. There's no reason to have to cut the core support anyways. The headlights can be designed to clear, I'm pretty sure the AB flug's did. You might have to get a big hole saw to clear the back of the projectors, but that's about it.

Winkler22 · 11-09-2012, 01:50 PM

I would be extremely interested. I have wanted a set for a while because where the adjustable bracket attaches to the pop-up motor is loose on the inside, I have tightened the bolt and nothing. But going down the interstate at night my headlights look like they have Parkinsons. I know you said something about carbon fiber, but I would be worried about it fading or turning yellow like you see some hoods do. Don't know how they look with an HID kit, but you can pick up a set of J30 headlights pretty cheap at a junk yard and that will give you 4 projectors.

RedSiBaron · 11-09-2012, 02:16 PM

The reason carbon yellows is because of the gel coat on it reacting to uv light

RedSiBaron · 11-09-2012, 02:19 PM

I could always cast them out of plastic as well

racepar1 · 11-09-2012, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Winkler22

I would be extremely interested. I have wanted a set for a while because where the adjustable bracket attaches to the pop-up motor is loose on the inside, I have tightened the bolt and nothing. But going down the interstate at night my headlights look like they have Parkinsons. I know you said something about carbon fiber, but I would be worried about it fading or turning yellow like you see some hoods do. Don't know how they look with an HID kit, but you can pick up a set of J30 headlights pretty cheap at a junk yard and that will give you 4 projectors.

Actually that's a really good idea on the J30 projectors. That would be an easy and cheap source for the necessary parts.

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Originally Posted by RedSiBaron

I could always cast them out of plastic as well

Plastic fades too. Just make sure that your gelcoat is very good quality and UV resistant. Most of the "carbon" parts that fade and yellow are cheap ass quality with non-UV resistant gel-coating.

RedSiBaron · 11-09-2012, 02:38 PM

Both good points. ^^^ thank you

SR20PWRALTY · 11-11-2012, 01:47 AM

I would be interested

RedSiBaron · 11-13-2012, 08:03 AM

Also to add. If I've read correctly the abflug were plug and play, so I don't think cutting should be required. That said. If I add projectors, like j30 ones, I could see us needing to cut which I don't like. Right now I'm finishing up some stuff on my car so I can get my bumper and hood on, then I can start thinking about the headlights. I'll keep everyone updated when I move forward.

racepar1 · 11-13-2012, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by RedSiBaron

Also to add. If I've read correctly the abflug were plug and play, so I don't think cutting should be required. That said. If I add projectors, like j30 ones, I could see us needing to cut which I don't like. Right now I'm finishing up some stuff on my car so I can get my bumper and hood on, then I can start thinking about the headlights. I'll keep everyone updated when I move forward.

You would have to make an adapter harness, like on the s13 Silvia headlights, to make them plug and play. Really it's not that difficult, BUT it would take extra time and cost extra money.

RedSiBaron · 11-13-2012, 10:28 AM

Yup that's what I said the plan was. An adapter harness isn't a big deal.

S-Nation S13 · 11-13-2012, 10:47 AM

omg no no no !!! complete fail .. please dont transform your car into SHIT!

RedSiBaron · 11-14-2012, 10:30 AM

Yup complete fail on my track car since I'm simplifying lightening and making it more aerodynamic. Pop ups totally help with that...

racepar1 · 11-14-2012, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by RedSiBaron

Yup complete fail on my track car since I'm simplifying lightening and making it more aerodynamic. Pop ups totally help with that...

Not to mention that pop-ups absolutely do not weigh a bazillion pounds either...

Some people just have no taste man!

GripTerror · 11-14-2012, 03:01 PM

Proper HID projectors and high beam projectors should be used not ancient bulbs. And yes the rad support has to be cut, i know been there.

RedSiBaron · 11-14-2012, 04:10 PM

Ok good info gripterror. Ill make a template with it then...

96Turbo · 11-14-2012, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by RedSiBaron

Again it's hand made shit not from China.

Hey man, Chinese people have hands too

*brndck* · 11-14-2012, 04:56 PM

you make em, i'll buy em. i've wanted a set of ab-flug/veilside/cecil lights for years but every time a pair comes up for sale they're either gone before i can come up with $$$ or something else lame happens.

RedSiBaron · 11-14-2012, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by 96Turbo

Hey man, Chinese people have hands too

Haha true, but I never said they didn't

Quote:

Originally Posted by brndck

you make em, i'll buy em. i've wanted a set of ab-flug/veilside/cecil lights for years but every time a pair comes up for sale they're either gone before i can come up with $$$ or something else lame happens.

Thanks a lot. Your posts definite attitude makes me want to make them just for you.

Welp guys enough people have spoken despite the haters. Ill do it definitely.

*brndck* · 11-14-2012, 07:44 PM

sam from jspec had these for a long time and i always would drool over em. the price tag was too high for me at that time.
180sx Fixed Headlight

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11-08-2012, 04:22 PM	#33
Minz Leaky Injector Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: New Zealand Age: 28 Posts: 61 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Abflug x Oldschool!

11-09-2012, 10:05 AM	#36
derux Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Grass valley, Ca Age: 43 Posts: 413 Trader Rating: (22) Feedback Score: 22 reviews	Well you got the fild and I work at a sheetmetal shop so I could make some. I think there was a song in the 80's that went somethig like that.

11-09-2012, 11:02 AM	#38
RedSiBaron Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: cincinnati/dayton/columbus OH Posts: 448 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Haha they don't look anything like that...besides it's an s13 it's not really considered a beautiful or classic design. Its basically a combination of a Ferrari Daytona and a corvette anyway.

11-09-2012, 11:15 AM	#39
racepar1 Post Whore! Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Simi Valley, CA Age: 38 Posts: 9,006 Trader Rating: (106) Rides Gallery: racepar1 Feedback Score: 106 reviews	If you made actual good quality replicas of those lights they would sell like crazy. The AB flug lights are the best looking flush lights that I have ever seen for a 240. Anybody with a street driven track car would be stupid to not want them...

11-09-2012, 01:50 PM	#43
Winkler22 Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Columbia, SC Age: 35 Posts: 42 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I would be extremely interested. I have wanted a set for a while because where the adjustable bracket attaches to the pop-up motor is loose on the inside, I have tightened the bolt and nothing. But going down the interstate at night my headlights look like they have Parkinsons. I know you said something about carbon fiber, but I would be worried about it fading or turning yellow like you see some hoods do. Don't know how they look with an HID kit, but you can pick up a set of J30 headlights pretty cheap at a junk yard and that will give you 4 projectors.

11-09-2012, 02:16 PM	#44
RedSiBaron Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: cincinnati/dayton/columbus OH Posts: 448 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	The reason carbon yellows is because of the gel coat on it reacting to uv light

11-09-2012, 02:19 PM	#45
RedSiBaron Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: cincinnati/dayton/columbus OH Posts: 448 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	I could always cast them out of plastic as well

11-09-2012, 02:38 PM	#47
RedSiBaron Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: cincinnati/dayton/columbus OH Posts: 448 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Both good points. ^^^ thank you

11-11-2012, 01:47 AM	#48
SR20PWRALTY Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: SOCAL Posts: 579 Trader Rating: (13) Feedback Score: 13 reviews	I would be interested

11-13-2012, 08:03 AM	#49
RedSiBaron Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: cincinnati/dayton/columbus OH Posts: 448 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Also to add. If I've read correctly the abflug were plug and play, so I don't think cutting should be required. That said. If I add projectors, like j30 ones, I could see us needing to cut which I don't like. Right now I'm finishing up some stuff on my car so I can get my bumper and hood on, then I can start thinking about the headlights. I'll keep everyone updated when I move forward.

11-13-2012, 10:28 AM	#51
RedSiBaron Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: cincinnati/dayton/columbus OH Posts: 448 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Yup that's what I said the plan was. An adapter harness isn't a big deal.

11-13-2012, 10:47 AM	#52
S-Nation S13 Post Whore! Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: LAND of the LOST Posts: 4,082 Trader Rating: (92) Feedback Score: 92 reviews	omg no no no !!! complete fail .. please dont transform your car into SHIT!

11-14-2012, 10:30 AM	#53
RedSiBaron Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: cincinnati/dayton/columbus OH Posts: 448 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Yup complete fail on my track car since I'm simplifying lightening and making it more aerodynamic. Pop ups totally help with that...

11-14-2012, 03:01 PM	#55
GripTerror Zilvia Addict Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Canada Age: 36 Posts: 685 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Proper HID projectors and high beam projectors should be used not ancient bulbs. And yes the rad support has to be cut, i know been there.

11-14-2012, 04:10 PM	#56
RedSiBaron Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: cincinnati/dayton/columbus OH Posts: 448 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Ok good info gripterror. Ill make a template with it then...