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Old 06-19-2008, 11:50 PM   #31
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[QUOTE=OptionZero;2122642]I can report on the Warriors.

Lots of isht in flux.

Under contract for sure next year:
Al Harrington
Stephen Jackson
Kosta Perovic
Marco Belinelli
Brandan Wright

Restricted Free Agents:
Kelenna Azubuike (just opted out of 2nd year of his K)
Monta Ellis
Andris Biedrins
Matt Barnes
Patrick O'Bryant
CJ Watson

Unrestricted:
Mickael Pietrus

im happy as long as we get rid of bad news barnes.... he's cool... just not consistent..croshere gone... cj and patrick eh... i could say do away with them also....... theres enough quickness and mediocre size... we should keep monta for sure... hes a rising star...and kelenna also...def should keep biedrins....

i was listening to 680 not to long ago, and they were discussin barons deal with the warriors... i hope they figure something out... it doesnt hurt my feelings if he goes...or stays.... i hope nelly sets the team up for a good rebuild right before he goes to hawaii....
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Ooh yeah you're right! I wonder what the Suns are gonna be like. No more Mike Wahntoni

Can't wait to see a healthy B.Roy and Oden next year!

Are the Sonics even moving yet?

New Orleans will be scary next year. They already have toughness and speed.

The Jazz will most def be tough next year.

fawwwk I miss basketball already ....
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Kobe Bryant met with Phil Jackson and Mitch Kupchak today — as did most of his teammates — in his annual season-ending interview. And it was apparent that Bryant is now more excited about the Lakers’ future than distraught over what just passed.

“Boston played better; they played more physical than we did,” Bryant said. “At the same time, you look around at our roster: They’re kids. They’re young kids. We managed to do something I don’t think anybody expected us to do. It’s a great learning opportunity for them at a young age to come back next year knowing what to expect, how to perform and what the goal is. And we’ll be fine.”

But Bryant already has told teammate Pau Gasol that his Spanish team is in for a rough Olympics with a hungry Bryant leading Team USA.

This is what Bryant told Gasol: “Being that we lost this series, you (guys) have no chance at a gold medal. I ain’t goin’ 0 for 2, homie.”
I like Portland next year to be a very, very good team.
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Yea, no one would want Walton cuz he really sucks. Radmonavich is inconsistant. Mihm is needs to get back into the game. Lakers will come back strong. Spurs will be in the playoffs.

I really want to see how the suns will do.
I hope the suns make the playoffs,...... and play the lakers in the first round! It's time for us to return the favor for them knocking us out in round one for 2 years in as row!


Akademik: Why do you think portland will be any good this year? I really don't keep up on what any teams are doing with the exception of the lakers and our main rivals.
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knicks needs to trade or rid of.
1#randolph <---jsus get rid of this guy
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5#james

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james should be #1 to go. damn if i knew i'd get paid 6 mil to bench warm i woulda tried out for the knicks long time ago!
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This is what Bryant told Gasol: “Being that we lost this series, you (guys) have no chance at a gold medal. I ain’t goin’ 0 for 2, homie.”
Haha can't wait to see this!!
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Isn't Argentina the one that beat everybody's ass last time? I mean, yeah we probably weren't gonna lose anyways so that's just kobe talking.
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yeah, it was Ginobli's team that whooped America's ass last time. Wait, I don't even think Argentina played USA, I think someone else took em out first. But that team was waaay different than now though.
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Ron Artest is faced with a serious dilemma. He and his agent want the Kings to extend his contract but multiple sources say the Kings are very hesitant to commit long term to Artest. In addition to some of the off-court concerns, Artest made life difficult throughout the season for rookie Coach Reggie Theus. If Artest opts out of the $7.4 he has left, the odds are he won't get anything more than the MLE (~$5.3-$5.5 million) although he could end up with a five-year deal at around $31-32 million. Does Artest's camp accept they're not going to get big money from Sacramento? Do they hope the Kings trade him to a team that will pay him? How likely is a sign and trade next summer at a more lucrative rate than the MLE? Artest could walk into a championship situation with teams like the Los Angeles Lakers and San Antonio Spurs if he opts out. Right now he's saying the odds are he stays with the Kings but that's far from decided.
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Akademik: Why do you think portland will be any good this year? I really don't keep up on what any teams are doing with the exception of the lakers and our main rivals.
Because they are a very young team, just like the Lakers,
with up and coming stars in Oden, Frye, Aldridge, and Roy.
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After struggles in several exhibition matches, the vulnerability of the 2004 team was confirmed when Puerto Rico defeated them 92–73 in the very first game of the Olympic tournament in Athens. It was only the third Olympic basketball defeat ever for Team USA and the first for an American team composed of professionals. The 19 point defeat was the most lopsided loss for Team USA in the history of international competition, suggesting that the level of international basketball had caught up with that of the United States.

After winning close games against Greece and Australia, Team USA fell to Lithuania, dropping to 2–2 in the Olympic tournament. Even after an 89–53 win over Angola, the Americans entered the knockout rounds in fourth place due to goal average, the lowest seed of their group. The Americans faced undefeated Spain in their quarterfinal game and finally put up a dominant performance, beating the Spaniards 102–94.

However, the semi-final match saw Team USA defeated by Argentina, 89–81, ending the United States' hold on the gold medal. Team USA did rebound to capture the bronze medal by defeating Lithuania. Still, it marked only the third time that an American team failed to win gold, and the first time for an American team composed of professionals. Before 2004, American teams had only lost two games in all previous Olympic tournaments, whereas in this one the American team lost three.
They're supposed to be giving a special on ESPN called "Road to Redemption" where they follow Team USA. I believe the date was either June 26 or July 16, I'm not sure. I can't find anything on the ESPN website and I saw the commercial a few times the other day on ESPN.
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Damn, If artest came to LA I think his attitude would be calmed for at least a season by the likelyness of fighting for an NBA championship. Artest is a big gamble though and definitely a ginormous pain in the ass. Phil dealt with rodman though and how much worse could artest possibly be than rodman?
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^lol. even with the whole fighting a fan shit. i like the idea of having artest.
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I think MJ dealt with Rodman more than Phil did.

The chances of Artest ending up in LA are probably extremely unlikely..couple reasons.

1. Maloof's aren't going to help the Lakers win a ring.
2. I can't really see the Lakers being able to offer something in return that Sac would want. They'd have to do a 3 team or something and I see it being pretty difficult.
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james should be #1 to go. damn if i knew i'd get paid 6 mil to bench warm i woulda tried out for the knicks long time ago!

although, randolph was free he comes with very expensive baggage. 14mil
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not a big fan of new orleans, but chris paul is something! 2nd year in the pros, this guy definitely has some talent! keep an eye out for this guy next year!
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If Ron Artest is coming to LA, it'd be by him opting out and signing in LA as a FA not by trade.

Yeah I like CP3 too but I'm more a D. Willaims fan. Once he learns to use his body more, he'll be nuts.
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1. Maloof's aren't going to help the Lakers win a ring.
2. I can't really see the Lakers being able to offer something in return that Sac would want. They'd have to do a 3 team or something and I see it being pretty difficult.
The Kings have no control over him opting out and
singing with anyone.

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Because they are a very young team, just like the Lakers,
with up and coming stars in Oden, Frye, Aldridge, and Roy.
They'll be in the mix for the playoffs, but not a serious contender in the west right now. I think lakers, spurs, hornets, jazz, rockets, all are on a higher level for next season.
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I didn't say they were going to be contenders...
...well, just not yet.
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funny thing is the boston team was better setup to win a championship next season.... these guys got comfy with each other real quick and Rondo is showing HUGE potential.... he has nowhere but UP to go! I smell a 09 REPEAT!,,,,, gotta make Red proud!!!
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The other funny thing is this past Laker team wasn't
even supposed to reach the Finals, yet alone the
playoffs, as with all the pre-season turmoil that went
on. The Laker team this past season is built for 5+
seasons of contending, especially with our man
in the middle being back, and possibly the addition
of another defensive player, Artest.

In my opinion, and many others, if the Celtics didn't win
it all this year with their great success in the regular
season, the year would have been a major failure.

We'll see you again next year.
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I want that sig!

All this speculation is making me nuts. Sometimes I just gotta step away from my PC and stop going to LG, CL, Hoopsworld, and Hoopshype.....

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EL SEGUNDO, Calif. (AP) -- Forward Trevor Ariza, acquired in a November trade with Orlando, has exercised his player contract option to remain with the Los Angeles Lakers.
There's this insider on CL named gumbygld that's been right ALL ALONG about Bynum, and he was the guy that mentioned that we're getting Ariza before the trade happened and would release medical info about Ariza returning before the media knew. Well after game 6, he was saying that Ariza probably wouldn't return because Phil prefers to play Luke. I'm glad he's wrong this time! Phew!

Straight from gumbygld himself, I guess he was thinking of leaving until Phil talked to him

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He had to make his decision within 5 days from the end of the Lakers season.

Word is Phil sat him down and told him he would really like him to be here, would be 6-7th man and will get substantial minutes next season.
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I liked what I saw from Ariza, his defense was stellar
before his injury. He also can shoot and score off the
dribble.

Can't wait for the draft.

Phlip and Jay:

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Yeah I know Artest can opt out, but I don't think he wants to leave money on the table...somewhere around 3 million. Lakers will probably only offer mid-level so that's why I think it's not happening.
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Yeah I know Artest can opt out, but I don't think he wants to leave money on the table...somewhere around 3 million. Lakers will probably only offer mid-level so that's why I think it's not happening.
I'm just hoping the chance to be a legitimate contender will make the mid level salary acceptable for him. I mean, getting big bucks to play on a shitty team that isnt getting better any time soon is pretty pointless.

On another note, I too was pretty impressed with Ariza. He seemed a little shaken up and unsure of himself during the playoffs though, but i'm sure that was just nerves.

As for draft picks, i dont follow college basketball close enough to really know.
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whoa whoa whoa, I haven't actually read anything on other teams yet

but....barbosa to GSW rumor? shit, barbosa and ellis will make a lightning quick backcourt
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I just watched a Lakers 07-08 Season Tribute video. The video inspired me. The Lakers have had an incredible season. Phil Jackson did a remarkable job at managing this Lakers' squad. A criticism of Jackson in the past was that he could not teach and groom younger players. You can throw that theory out the window. Now, the theory is that Phil got thoroughly outcoached by Doc Rivers in the Finals. Practically every analyst and a lot of Laker fans think so. I do not. Is there a possibility that the Celtics were so much better than the Lakers that no matter what Phil did, the Celtics were going to win. I am not saying that Phil did not make mistakes during the Finals and also, there is no excuse for getting manhandled by 40 in the final game. But, Phil did an incredible job coaching the Lakers throughout the season and through Western Conference. The fans that are calling for his firing are completely unfounded and out of touch. Phil is one of the best coaches in the NBA and the perfect coach for this Laker team. For those of you who believe that Paul Pierce completely outplayed Kobe Bryant during the series, here are some statistics, Kobe: 26 ppg, 5 asst, 5 reb, 3 stl, 41%FG. Pierce: 22 ppg, 6 asst, 5 reb, 1 stl, 43%FG. Better numbers yes, but not by much; not to mention Pierce went up against the Lakers defense which is laughably inferior to the Celtics's. Let us be reminded that Lebron James shot 35%FG in his series against the Celtics.

Now let's get to the real subject of this article. Kobe. During the playoffs many fans and analysts began comparing Kobe to the one and only Michael Jordan. And then when the Lakers lost to the Celtics, the tune changed to 'Can we stop comparing him to Michael now?' The truth is that Kobe himself does not want to be compared to Jordan. Kobe wants to be so much better than Jordan that people do not dare compare Jordan to him. In my opinion, Kobe is a better scorer than Jordan. Kobe is the most talented offensive player in the history of the game. He has it all. He can shoot from almost unlimited range and if he drives the paint, he has every shot, layup, and dunk in the book. In fact, Kobe has rewritten the book. Let's get one thing straight, I am not saying Kobe is a better player than Jordan. The fact is that you cannot accurately compare players from different eras. The best way you can compare them is to compare their performance relative to their era. The problem with this is that certain players play in easier eras than others. If Jordan were in his prime during the 1980s of Magic Johnson and Larry Bird, would he have 6 rings? If Magic or Larry were not both around during the 1980's, how many rings would the other one of them have? This is a valid argument but still a weak one. You cannot punish Michael for dominating his competition and also, who is to say that he would not have won 6 titles in any era.

Kobe is 29 years old. Kobe has five finals appearances and three titles. When Jordan was 29, he had two finals appearances and two titles. Can we please wait until Kobe's career is over before we say whether or not he was a better player than Jordan? I guess not. So let's go for it. If you have not yet realized it, I am going to defend Kobe. First off, Kobe has to face zone defenses (which is pretty much what the Celtics played). In Jordan's era, zoning was illegal. Secondly, everyone underestimates just how good Scottie Pippen was. He is one of the 50 greatest players of all time, 10x All-Defensive Team selection, 3x All-NBA First Team selection, and 7x NBA All-Star. During the six title years of the Bulls, here are Pippen's assist averages: 6.2, 7.0, 6.3, 5.9, 5.7, 5.8. Here are Jordan's averages: 5.5, 6.1, 5.5, 4.3, 4.3, 3.5. Pippen led the Bulls in assists in each of those years. If you look at the playoff stats during those years, Pippen led the Bulls in assists in four out of the six title runs. The fact is that Jordan was not always the primary playmaker on the Bulls. Pippen usually created more shots for his teammates than Jordan did. You will not find one year since Shaq left that Kobe has not led the Lakers in assists. Additionally, the quality of Jordan's supporting casts is very misconstrued. In the 1993-94 season, the year after Jordan first retired, the Bulls won 55 games and lost in 7 games to the Knicks in the conference semifinals, led by Scottie Pippen. The Bulls were always one of the league's best defenses. They had perfect role players around Jordan who made open shots and played tough defense. Just because they did not put up great offensive numbers does not mean they were not good. Average basketball fans make the error of only looking at offensive statistics to determine a player's worth. If this was true, guys like Bruce Bowen, James Posey, and Ronny Turiaf would not have jobs.

Here is an excerpt from J.A. Adande's ESPN article: "Do you think Jordan never had a Finals performance with numbers like the 27 points and 42 percent shooting Bryant's experiencing against the Celtics? You must not have watched the 1996 Finals, when Jordan averaged 27 points and shot 42 percent against Seattle."

When Jordan played in the NBA, he was the NBA's darling child. He resurrected the NBA after Bird and Magic left. He alone was making hundreds of millions of dollars for the NBA. If you can believe that the NBA has a conspiracy theory for the Lakers and Celtics to meet in the Finals now, there is no way you cannot believe the NBA wanted Jordan to succeed back then. I, myself, am not a believer in any kind of conspiracy theory about the NBA. As Los Angeles Times writer Mark Heisler put it, "If the NBA is fixing anything, it's doing a really lousy job." Anyways, in those days, Jordan got every call. Any time he drove the lane, he either scored or got a foul. If you watched this year's Lakers series between the Spurs or the Celtics, you can see that the same was not true for Kobe. Magic once told Larry Bird not to stand too close to Michael or they might call a foul.

As for their troubles off the court, everyone is familiar with Kobe's rape accusation in Colorado. The charges were dropped shortly after the trial began. The truth might never be known, but we do know that Kobe committed Adultery. Shocking right, except Jordan did the same….many times. Jordan cheated on his wife numerous times during their marriage and has a former mistress that claims that Jordan promised her $5 million when he retired to keep her quiet. Additionally, Jordan's gambling problems are well known as he once lost $57,000 on golf, poker, and other gambling and then lied about it. My point is that many NBA stars have off-court troubles. You cannot let those issues cloud your thinking when you evaluate them as basketball players. Both Jordan and Kobe have tried mightily to resurrect their images and become respectable role models. I respect both immensely.

Another argument I want to explore is the Tiger Woods comparison. I heard this on ESPN and was dumbfounded at how ESPN discovered another way to criticize Kobe by saying he is not even close to Tiger. Why the heck would you even compare the two? Forget the fact that their sports are not even close to similar. Tiger plays an individual sport. He does not have to work with teammates, encourage teammates, or make his teammates better. He simply has to make himself better. If basketball were an individual sport, Kobe would be the greatest of All-Time. The man scored 81 points in a game. Tiger and Kobe both have personality flaws that are geared towards individual accomplishments. They care about themselves above all others. Tiger did not care about the feel good story of Rocco Mediate last weekend; he wanted to crush him. Kobe cannot behave like this so he has had to adjust. He has learned how to work with his coach and his teammates and has made great strides. Is he perfect? No… not even close. But he is trying hard and that is all one can ask.

Finally, this is to all the Laker and Kobe haters. I love the Lakers and therefore I love Kobe. I am a Laker fan before I am a Kobe fan. The Lakers are my family and Kobe is part of that family. I treat Kobe like a brother. Sometimes your brother misbehaves and makes mistakes, but you love your brother regardless. I will never argue that Kobe is not sometimes selfish, arrogant, condescending, self-absorbed, or annoying. But he is a brother and a son to Laker fans and as long as he is part of the Laker family, we will support him.

Here is the inspirational video I spoke of: http://www.lakersmedia.com/?p=176#more-176
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That is an absolutely excellent argument. WOW! Kobe haters piss me off. No matter what he does it is wrong. Score 50 points with two assists and he is a ballhog, score 15 points with 11 assists and he didn't play aggressively enough! The guy just can't win with some people.
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whoa whoa whoa, I haven't actually read anything on other teams yet

but....barbosa to GSW rumor? shit, barbosa and ellis will make a lightning quick backcourt
Won't happen. PHX will never send Barbosa to a division rival.

Furthermore, i wouldn't even want Barbosa. He and Ellis would be an incredibly small and physically weak backcourt. Though Ellis does a solid job rebounding for his size, neither is committed to defense individually, don't have a good grasp of team defense, and don't have the physical ability to guard 2's. They'd get destroyed.

If you want squash it more, we can't fit Barbosa's salary anyways, unless the Suns took harrington.
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but nelson doesn't preach defense anyways so it doesn't matter...as long as they can score right?
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