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GSXRJJordan · 12-28-2011, 01:15 AM

Wrote in Ron Paul in 2008.

Would def vote for him in the 2012 general. As a small biz owner, I can't see anyone else having my best interests in mind.

*kingkilburn* · 12-28-2011, 01:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GSXRJJordan

Wrote in Ron Paul in 2008.

. . . I can't see anyone else having my best interests in mind.

Hear hear.

ronmcdon · 12-28-2011, 12:09 PM

i'm going to vote for RP thanks to RJF.
(whatever RJF says, just do the opposite, lol)

honestly I'm not too crazy about any of the rep candidates.
RP will always be RP, not a fan but prob the most reasonable in the group.
Obama will most likely take it in '12 imo.

*kingkilburn* · 12-28-2011, 02:27 PM

RP has an answer for everything Obama has done wrong and it wont be smoke and mirrors either.

Jonathong · 12-28-2011, 02:52 PM

Ron Paul Ftw!

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ronmcdon · 12-28-2011, 10:02 PM

realistically, who do you guys see taking the rep primaries at this point?
(not saying who you'd pick, just who has the most chance of winning)

whomever that is, do you prefer that person over Obama?

*kingkilburn* · 12-29-2011, 01:01 AM

Every choice but ron paul is varying degrees of sameness with Newt being the farthest from the rest.

Romney is spending a shit ton of money to keep his spot at second but continues to open his mouth and sound just as stupid as Perry and Bachman.

If young people actually go out and vote this year it's RP all the way.

sr20sean · 12-29-2011, 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by lewisfk

no RP! He approves on over turning civil rights laws!

i lol'd at this. its from the beginning of the thread i know but i find it funny since obama is agreeing to sign the national defense authorization act.

*kingkilburn* · 12-29-2011, 01:18 AM

I'd love to see the source for him doing that. lol

bardabe · 12-29-2011, 01:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GSXRJJordan

Wrote in Ron Paul in 2008.

Would def vote for him in the 2012 general. As a small biz owner, I can't see anyone else having my best interests in mind.

This

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anthonyr sil8ty · 12-29-2011, 10:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sr20sean

i lol'd at this. its from the beginning of the thread i know but i find it funny since obama is agreeing to sign the national defense authorization act.

lol, obama actually doing something he said he will do?

K_style · 12-29-2011, 10:33 AM

Shouldn't we add Poll to this thread ?

I'd say RP..

*s13 @ fullboost* · 12-29-2011, 09:56 PM

Poll ftw! !!!

bb4_96 · 12-30-2011, 08:14 AM

Undecided. So dissapointed with presidents of my lifetime. Not sure it's worth voting between a turd and a giant douche. Either one will face the same problems with actually getting anything done, and recieve all the blame.

read this and it's all i foresee for the presidency in the near future
California and Bust | Business | Vanity Fair

imotion s14 · 12-30-2011, 12:53 PM

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Government Mortgage Schemes Distort the Housing Market

Government Mortgage Schemes Distort the Housing Market
Congressman Ron Paul U.S. House of Representatives July 16, 2002

Mr. Speaker, I rise to introduce the Free Housing Market Enhancement Act. This legislation restores a free market in housing by repealing special privileges for housing-related government sponsored enterprises (GSEs). These entities are the Federal National Mortgage Association (Fannie), the Federal Home Loan Mortgage Corporation (Freddie), and the National Home Loan Bank Board (HLBB). According to the Congressional Budget Office, the housing-related GSEs received $13.6 billion worth of indirect federal subsidies in fiscal year 2000 alone.

One of the major government privileges granted these GSEs is a line of credit to the United States Treasury. According to some estimates, the line of credit may be worth over $2 billion. This explicit promise by the Treasury to bail out these GSEs in times of economic difficulty helps them attract investors who are willing to settle for lower yields than they would demand in the absence of the subsidy. Thus, the line of credit distorts the allocation of capital. More importantly, the line of credit is a promise on behalf of the government to engage in a massive unconstitutional and immoral income transfer from working Americans to holders of GSE debt.
The Free Housing Market Enhancement Act also repeals the explicit grant of legal authority given to the Federal Reserve to purchase the debt of housing-related GSEs. GSEs are the only institutions besides the United States Treasury granted explicit statutory authority to monetize their debt through the Federal Reserve. This provision gives the GSEs a source of liquidity unavailable to their competitors.

Ironically, by transferring the risk of a widespread mortgage default, the government increases the likelihood of a painful crash in the housing market. This is because the special privileges of Fannie, Freddie, and HLBB have distorted the housing market by allowing them to attract capital they could not attract under pure market conditions. As a result, capital is diverted from its most productive use into housing. This reduces the efficacy of the entire market and thus reduces the standard of living of all Americans.

However, despite the long-term damage to the economy inflicted by the government’s interference in the housing market, the government’s policies of diverting capital to other uses creates a short-term boom in housing. Like all artificially-created bubbles, the boom in housing prices cannot last forever. When housing prices fall, homeowners will experience difficulty as their equity is wiped out. Furthermore, the holders of the mortgage debt will also have a loss. These losses will be greater than they would have otherwise been had government policy not actively encouraged over-investment in housing.

Perhaps the Federal Reserve can stave off the day of reckoning by purchasing GSE debt and pumping liquidity into the housing market, but this cannot hold off the inevitable drop in the housing market forever. In fact, postponing the necessary but painful market corrections will only deepen the inevitable fall. The more people invested in the market, the greater the effects across the economy when the bubble bursts.

No less an authority than Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan has expressed concern that government subsidies provided to the GSEs make investors underestimate the risk of investing in Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

Mr. Speaker, it is time for Congress to act to remove taxpayer support from the housing GSEs before the bubble bursts and taxpayers are once again forced to bail out investors misled by foolish government interference in the market. I therefore hope my colleagues will stand up for American taxpayers and investors by cosponsoring the Free Housing Market Enhancement Act.

The only logical choice is Ron Paul.

freeagent3117 · 12-30-2011, 11:22 PM

RP all the way!
Why does everybody think he doesnt have a chance?

Is SOOOO frustrating hearing everybody say this. If you all went and voted for him he would have a chance. 76% of people with political opinions dont vote. Its sad

rb20240sx · 12-30-2011, 11:33 PM

RP ftw it's good to see the media actually acknowledge him now days. And glad to see so many people saying there voting for him. Also what kind of dumbass would vote the obama back in office?

Michaelwinne · 12-31-2011, 07:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by freeagent3117

RP all the way!
Why does everybody think he doesnt have a chance?

Is SOOOO frustrating hearing everybody say this. If you all went and voted for him he would have a chance. 76% of people with political opinions dont vote. Its sad

Ever asked certain ppl why they voted for Obama? Oh by the way we're in the military we're not allowed to have opinions..

*kingkilburn* · 12-31-2011, 08:31 PM

I hate that. Questioning the domestic decisions the PRESIDENT has made is not questioning the leadership of the COMMANDER IN CHIEF.

sileight_04 · 12-31-2011, 08:57 PM

Ron Paul. While i agree with almost all of his plans, especially as a small business owner, I do disagree with his plan to cut medicare and Social Security but he is the overall proper vote for me.

No candidate will ever be perfect on all topics, they may say all of the right things but there is no way to make it all happen..... too many people bought into this regarding Obama, now look where we are.

*kingkilburn* · 12-31-2011, 10:18 PM

He can want to cut them all day and all night but that is a matter for congress no the president.

BC S14 · 12-31-2011, 10:42 PM

NO NO NO! I can't believe all of you people. Last time I posted on here about an election all you retards would'nt shut up about super cool badass obama and obama is my homeboy and FLAMED the sh!t out of me for trying to convince all of you other wise. I swear it was 3-5 pages of almost everyone on here swingin from obamas nuts. NOW!,, you all want to use your brain? I seriously can't believe this is happening. It makes me sick to my stomache to think people who voted for obama are able to vote at all. I think I deserve a big fvcking sorry from each retard on here. People talked soo much sh!t on me, now you want to vote for the canadate I suggested IN 2008? Are you serious? Heres something I promised the last time I posted in a political thread on here. I FVCKING TOLD YOU SO...YOU [email protected] Enjoy.

Man it feels good to be right, when the majority sheeple are so damn wrong.

Grenade180sx · 12-31-2011, 10:52 PM

heres the problem with all politicians.

The Right is Wrong and the left is stupid.

so either way you vote its not gonna fix anything.

but Ron paul for me.

I love my guns way to much.

godrifttoday · 12-31-2011, 10:58 PM

Ron Paul! He knows the issues... Less government ! How he would resolve them are eeeehhh but he knows what's up... Have any of u seen the you tube video of him closing a reporter

ralphandthequeen · 12-31-2011, 11:11 PM

neither.. put Chuck Norris in office.. bitches love Chuck.

*kingkilburn* · 12-31-2011, 11:21 PM

Hey, I registered republican so I could vote for RP in the primary.

Gnnr · 01-03-2012, 08:54 PM

I'm not a Ron Paul supporter per se, but I will say I can see how the media hates him and is portraying an unfair image. Too bad, I think he would have made it more interesting had he won Iowa.

rb20240sx · 01-03-2012, 09:03 PM

Ya watching the Iowa Caucasus. Fox news sucks at speaking the truth, just their twisted spin on it. Registered today myself.

S-Nation S13 · 01-03-2012, 09:37 PM

Don't give a fuck ..just fixed this damn country..put the green back in my pocket..

codyace · 01-03-2012, 09:44 PM

The only thing, is that I hope Ron Paul isn't a modern day Ross Perot. I don't Mind RP's opinion, and have re considered many of my previous opinions on him, but there is no doubt that unless he wins, that he could draw the votes from the 'lesser' of the major 2 candidates, and potentially cause the 'most evil' to win.

12-28-2011, 01:15 AM	#91
GSXRJJordan Post Whore! Join Date: May 2006 Location: << 626 >> Posts: 9,135 Trader Rating: (19) Rides Gallery: GSXRJJordan Feedback Score: 19 reviews	Wrote in Ron Paul in 2008. Would def vote for him in the 2012 general. As a small biz owner, I can't see anyone else having my best interests in mind. __________________ Jordan Innovations has a new web site! www.JordanInnovations.com -- All your favorite FD Pro Drifters love it, trust me -- www.JordanInnovations.com

12-28-2011, 02:27 PM	#94
kingkilburn Philosopher King Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: FresYes Posts: 3,041 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	RP has an answer for everything Obama has done wrong and it wont be smoke and mirrors either. __________________ G O L D E N B E A R R E P U B L I C

12-29-2011, 01:01 AM	#97
kingkilburn Philosopher King Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: FresYes Posts: 3,041 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Every choice but ron paul is varying degrees of sameness with Newt being the farthest from the rest. Romney is spending a shit ton of money to keep his spot at second but continues to open his mouth and sound just as stupid as Perry and Bachman. If young people actually go out and vote this year it's RP all the way. __________________ G O L D E N B E A R R E P U B L I C

12-29-2011, 01:18 AM	#99
kingkilburn Philosopher King Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: FresYes Posts: 3,041 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I'd love to see the source for him doing that. lol __________________ G O L D E N B E A R R E P U B L I C

12-29-2011, 09:56 PM	#103
s13 @ fullboost Spirit Of Ecstasy Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Simi Valley, CA Posts: 2,531 Trader Rating: (15) Feedback Score: 15 reviews	Poll ftw! !!! __________________

12-28-2011, 12:09 PM	#93
ronmcdon Post Whore! Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: beverly hills Age: 86 Posts: 4,254 Trader Rating: (6) Feedback Score: 6 reviews	i'm going to vote for RP thanks to RJF. (whatever RJF says, just do the opposite, lol) honestly I'm not too crazy about any of the rep candidates. RP will always be RP, not a fan but prob the most reasonable in the group. Obama will most likely take it in '12 imo.

12-28-2011, 02:52 PM	#95
Jonathong Nissanaholic! Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Central Valley, CA Posts: 1,745 Trader Rating: (16) Feedback Score: 16 reviews	Ron Paul Ftw! Sent from my SGH-T959V using Tapatalk

12-28-2011, 10:02 PM	#96
ronmcdon Post Whore! Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: beverly hills Age: 86 Posts: 4,254 Trader Rating: (6) Feedback Score: 6 reviews	realistically, who do you guys see taking the rep primaries at this point? (not saying who you'd pick, just who has the most chance of winning) whomever that is, do you prefer that person over Obama?

12-29-2011, 10:33 AM	#102
K_style Post Whore! Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Henderson, NV Posts: 7,666 Trader Rating: (63) Rides Gallery: K_style Feedback Score: 63 reviews	Shouldn't we add Poll to this thread ? I'd say RP..

12-30-2011, 08:14 AM	#104
bb4_96 Zilvia Addict Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Under my car Posts: 785 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	Undecided. So dissapointed with presidents of my lifetime. Not sure it's worth voting between a turd and a giant douche. Either one will face the same problems with actually getting anything done, and recieve all the blame. read this and it's all i foresee for the presidency in the near future California and Bust \| Business \| Vanity Fair

12-30-2011, 11:22 PM	#106
freeagent3117 Zilvia Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Arkansas Posts: 237 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	RP all the way! Why does everybody think he doesnt have a chance? Is SOOOO frustrating hearing everybody say this. If you all went and voted for him he would have a chance. 76% of people with political opinions dont vote. Its sad

12-30-2011, 11:33 PM	#107
rb20240sx Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: 850 Age: 31 Posts: 392 Trader Rating: (12) Feedback Score: 12 reviews	RP ftw it's good to see the media actually acknowledge him now days. And glad to see so many people saying there voting for him. Also what kind of dumbass would vote the obama back in office? __________________ 95 SE Serengeti sand- RB25 Neo

12-31-2011, 08:31 PM	#109
kingkilburn Philosopher King Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: FresYes Posts: 3,041 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I hate that. Questioning the domestic decisions the PRESIDENT has made is not questioning the leadership of the COMMANDER IN CHIEF. __________________ G O L D E N B E A R R E P U B L I C

12-31-2011, 08:57 PM	#110
sileight_04 Zilvia Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: VA Posts: 181 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Ron Paul. While i agree with almost all of his plans, especially as a small business owner, I do disagree with his plan to cut medicare and Social Security but he is the overall proper vote for me. No candidate will ever be perfect on all topics, they may say all of the right things but there is no way to make it all happen..... too many people bought into this regarding Obama, now look where we are.

12-31-2011, 10:18 PM	#111
kingkilburn Philosopher King Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: FresYes Posts: 3,041 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	He can want to cut them all day and all night but that is a matter for congress no the president. __________________ G O L D E N B E A R R E P U B L I C

12-31-2011, 10:42 PM	#112
BC S14 Zilvia Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: land of oz Age: 33 Posts: 192 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	NO NO NO! I can't believe all of you people. Last time I posted on here about an election all you retards would'nt shut up about super cool badass obama and obama is my homeboy and FLAMED the sh!t out of me for trying to convince all of you other wise. I swear it was 3-5 pages of almost everyone on here swingin from obamas nuts. NOW!,, you all want to use your brain? I seriously can't believe this is happening. It makes me sick to my stomache to think people who voted for obama are able to vote at all. I think I deserve a big fvcking sorry from each retard on here. People talked soo much sh!t on me, now you want to vote for the canadate I suggested IN 2008? Are you serious? Heres something I promised the last time I posted in a political thread on here. I FVCKING TOLD YOU SO...YOU [email protected] Enjoy. Man it feels good to be right, when the majority sheeple are so damn wrong. __________________ Formally girl's n sil's

12-31-2011, 10:52 PM	#113
Grenade180sx Nissanaholic! Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: 909/951 Age: 33 Posts: 2,455 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	heres the problem with all politicians. The Right is Wrong and the left is stupid. so either way you vote its not gonna fix anything. but Ron paul for me. I love my guns way to much.

12-31-2011, 10:58 PM	#114
godrifttoday Post Whore! Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: los angeles Age: 37 Posts: 3,120 Trader Rating: (82) Feedback Score: 82 reviews	Ron Paul! He knows the issues... Less government ! How he would resolve them are eeeehhh but he knows what's up... Have any of u seen the you tube video of him closing a reporter __________________ NEED Bolt kits for your car?

12-31-2011, 11:11 PM	#115
ralphandthequeen Zilvia Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: 29 sticks Age: 32 Posts: 226 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	neither.. put Chuck Norris in office.. bitches love Chuck.

12-31-2011, 11:21 PM	#116
kingkilburn Philosopher King Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: FresYes Posts: 3,041 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Hey, I registered republican so I could vote for RP in the primary. __________________ G O L D E N B E A R R E P U B L I C

01-03-2012, 08:54 PM	#117
Gnnr Post Whore! Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: S. FL Posts: 3,960 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I'm not a Ron Paul supporter per se, but I will say I can see how the media hates him and is portraying an unfair image. Too bad, I think he would have made it more interesting had he won Iowa. __________________

01-03-2012, 09:03 PM	#118
rb20240sx Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: 850 Age: 31 Posts: 392 Trader Rating: (12) Feedback Score: 12 reviews	Ya watching the Iowa Caucasus. Fox news sucks at speaking the truth, just their twisted spin on it. Registered today myself. __________________ 95 SE Serengeti sand- RB25 Neo

01-03-2012, 09:37 PM	#119
S-Nation S13 Post Whore! Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: LAND of the LOST Posts: 4,082 Trader Rating: (92) Feedback Score: 92 reviews	Don't give a fuck ..just fixed this damn country..put the green back in my pocket..

01-03-2012, 09:44 PM	#120
codyace Post Whore! Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Poconos, PA Age: 36 Posts: 8,030 Trader Rating: (58) Feedback Score: 58 reviews	The only thing, is that I hope Ron Paul isn't a modern day Ross Perot. I don't Mind RP's opinion, and have re considered many of my previous opinions on him, but there is no doubt that unless he wins, that he could draw the votes from the 'lesser' of the major 2 candidates, and potentially cause the 'most evil' to win. __________________ *Want Air Conditioning in your SR20 Swapped car? Check out www.sr20acbrackets.com for more information! Quest Alternator Conversions for SR20!* Check my Group Buy! Tired of lousy internal gates? Go external wastegate with one of my manifolds, Check out my group buy

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