ryangreg

Nobody said anything about what type of driving they were into. Take a look at any japanese drift car...they dont run power braces. Yea their chassis are stiff as shit, but they even take front sway bars OUT for some of the higher speed courses. I put an ebay bolt on adjustable piece in, but never got around to some back to back testing with and without.

!Zar!

Imo most all driving styles need a stiff car for consistency. I drive both grip and drift, and have done so with and without diffrent levels of stiffining. It isn't a MUST to, but a nicely stiffened car will allow the tires to grip propperly and you will use the full surface of the tire. I could care less what people in japan are doing. The reason you take the front sway out is so you can get more turn in. It's a cheap way to feel as if you had a stiffer rear sway.

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Taking the sway bars out would allow your wheels to load/unload independently, thus enabling them to achieve more grip when you are in a lot of transitions, like in a tight auto-x, no?

I'm trying to see if all the things I've learned in the past few years are on the right track or not...

phreze

I would get the nismo if I had to do it over again(i have the tanabe same thing as kazama but grey instead of red. I think the nismo one is only $80 more these days so just go with that.

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heres something.. dont hit curbs!!! lol..

i need to do this tho lol..

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ryangreg

Fine, you dont care what they do to their cars.... but I do because I realize they know the most about them and how to effectivley tune them. Dont even try to tell me you never look at their setups to learn a thing or two?



[QUOTE=SoSideways]Taking the sway bars out would allow your wheels to load/unload independently, thus enabling them to achieve more grip when you are in a lot of transitions, like in a tight auto-x, no?


Yea, no sway bar up front would allow each wheel to do its own thing more independently....thats what I got from it anway. Not sure if that has anything to do with more turn in though.

!Zar!

[QUOTE=ryangreg]Fine, you dont care what they do to their cars.... but I do because I realize they know the most about them and how to effectivley tune them. Dont even try to tell me you never look at their setups to learn a thing or two?



Weird last I checked europe was still ages ahead of japan in suspension. I guess I don't read enough super street or something. So that nullifies everything I know about suspension. I repeat. Taking the front sway bar out allows your front to flex, thus giving it more turn in. But that only works for so long. Because when your car is diving like that the front inside tire is doing alot less work than it would be if it had a sway pushing it down. So if you take out the front sway you are actualy slowing your car down more than if you had the propper swaybar setup. Simply because your would be reducing the contact patch.

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ugh
he's talking about drifting
japan is ahead of the world as far as setups and skill goes.
so drop it who cares
do what you want
drive the hell out of the car

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EchoOfSilence

This is all relative. Inside wheel would have less weight on it if the effective spring rate on the outside wheel isn't stiff enough, in which case the sway bar would do wonders. Transition turn-in might be better if the spring rates are up to it, however. But, if continuous force on the outside wheel (ie long sweeper) persists, sway bar will be needed. It all depends on what you want to be happening in whatever you're doing.

EDIT: Take Dousan's advice.

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SoSideways

I was actually talking about not having a sway bar in the rear, which would help the wheels load/unload during quick transitions like found in small, tight, auto-x events usually designed for FF cars. I think I even said that in my last post here.

But yeah, for actual road course and drifting and such, sway bars would definitely help.

And yes, just go out and drive, if you don't, how would you know if you like your setup or not?

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Nismo Power Brace is a very nice unit! Perfect direct fit... Get a nifty NISMO sticker too.. hah...

Its re-enforced everywhere...

Alot of people just weld a bar into the tension rod brackets, the previous poster in this thread did like the NISMO Power Brace and re-enforced them... Good job...

Here are some close up pictures of the S13 power brace, The only real difference between S13 and S14 power brace is the S14 is re-enforced on both sides of the bar...

Turn in is alot better...

At the same time I installed Kazama Tension rods along with the power brace... Much better response out of the car...



S14 has this on both sides...

ryangreg

[QUOTE=Dousan_PG]ugh
he's talking about drifting
japan is ahead of the world as far as setups and skill goes.
so drop it who cares



You got that right bub! How do some people not understand.....just look at the shit they do. Art in mothafuckin' motion.....the cars they drive, and the skills they hone.

Jonnie Fraz

Jason- I have seen those pics, they helped me build my brace. One reason i built mine is that my welds look nicer...lol

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Yeah looks is what matters under the car :P

Some people dont have access to that, and buying it ensures perfect fit...

I have my stock parts for sale if anyone wants to use them to weld anything out of (Shamless plug)

mmtmatrix

Hey, this is probably a rather dumb question(s), but when you built your braces did you take the measurements of the angles and lengths for the car, but them, and then take the brackets off the car and weld them on then re install, or did you weld the bar with the brackts on the car. If so, did you do it it the suspension loaded, cars weight on wheels or up in the air?

There would be potential differences in preload/tension right?

Thanks -- talk to you soon,
Malcolm

Dousan_PG

i cant see a different in tension at all
only because they are bolted in front and rear
there is no tension imo

the support on under each bracket can be done off the car
the center bar is done on the car.

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WILDACEX187

can u post a picture of this. i have the tanabe bar (same as kazama) and would like to add a power brace if possible.

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SoSideways

So if the only difference between S13 and S14 Nismo powerbrace is that the S14 one has the support triangle on both sides of the bar, does that mean that the S14 brace will bolt onto an S13?

I mean, if they are interchangable, why not get the more "stout" version?

mmtmatrix

Dousan_PG:

I guess since each side is bolted to the frame that there would be little to no change in tension, but wouldn't slightly different length of a bar (smaller or longer) pull or push on the mounting sides a bit, creating some tension, or would you say that there is not enough deflection in the mounting points to allow for a slightly longer or smaller bar to be bolted up? Does that make any sense?


So your saying, box the brackets of the car, and measure and weld the bar to the brackets with them on the car? And when you do this it doesn't matter if the car is on the suspension or not...?

Thanks,
mmtmatrix

mmtmatrix

double post ooppssssss

!Zar!

It is possible, as I stated. Frpilot has them both on his car as I have seen it. I don't have a picture of his car but use your imagination with my great photoshopping skills.

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umm.. no... thats not what I have...

TENSION Rods:


That then bolt to the power brace...

Ill go out side and get a pic...

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please excuse the nasty warped oil soaked lower engine cover...

Brian

I got my power brace from Performance Nissan... Sorry jason but Andy sold it to me. haha.

Anyways, you CAN CAN CAN CAN CAN use the nismo one and the cusco one at the same time. i had it for a while... but its pointless reallly.

i like the power brace a lot

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