myKAl

wtf? Ok, if there was a good reason to not saving your kid, not going back=not getting killed=no orphan children, seems like a good EXCUSE, but getting in your car and driving away? wtf man someone should report that guy to cps or some shit

raz0rbladez909

Wow, father of the year material right there. What a selfish bitch

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Okinawandrifter87

You all laugh at that pussy of a man, but it's funny cause he proposed to her at the hospital and she said yes after he basically said in actions that I don't care for my family. Now who's really stupid lol?

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raz0rbladez909

LOL Truth! I guess they were made for each other

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fyneyoungstunna

@Daftphunk: You miss-understood that last part.
I...said its NOT a new trend. Or in other words you little kids are acting like parents haven't done this for ages. This is nothing new. Parents have been bringing their kids/infant to movies late at night for generation, and they still will for generations to come. Its called working with what your given. But again, you kids can't see past being judgmental and critical. The same group that, if you have kids now, are probably stressed so much in life you cant catch a break. Oh well, "hated by 12 judged by six"

@Eramo323: You dumbass, I just described the parents of most of us that are older than you. Your still a kid.....

I love how all you assbags are acting all high and mighty like you would have went back. Judgmental FUCKS. Truth be told, I bet most of you would have done the same thing in this situation. Yeah, i know, YOU'RE TOUGH, you would have gone Rambo on him or some shit huh? WRONG, survival instinct would have kicked in and anything that is not at arms reach would have been left behind. Don't be mad though, it's not a fault or anything. Its call survival INSTINCT for a reason. Its the reason military folk go through all that yelling and screaming in training that they do, to reset that instinct so they don't brake down to primitive and get themselves killed in a panic situation.

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ineedone

There is no excuse for leaving your girlfriend, infant, and 4 yr old daughter behind in a dangerous situation. I understand it was a extremely dangerous and scary situation, but this person decided to have children and therefore is wholly responsible for their safety. He dipped out like a bitch. I am not saying that I would have gone all COD MW3 on the juggernaught with armor and assault weapons, but I know that I would have done my best to protect my family (at least 3 people died protecting their loved ones from the gunfire). There is just no excuse for leaving your family behind like that.

Military "folk" are taught from day one that no one gets left behind.

The fact that this idiot brought a infant to a midnight showing should not be the discussion though. It takes away from the acts of the shooter and is an attempt at displacing some of the blame on others for being there. We can all agree that an infant does not belong at a midnight showing of any movie (I can debate whether a 4 yr old should have been there... but again, not the issue). Lets just all agree that we are lucky that we are not talking about how terrible it was for an infant to be shot and killed.

Daniel.

You're too myopic and narrow minded to see the whole picture.

Just because humans have been acting a certain way for centuries, doesn't make it okay. Acknowledging that it happens though (which is the point you're trying to make) is certainly the first step to correcting the core issue here.

On the other hand....

Because Darwinism.

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Eramo323

You sir have proved to me that you are a full on retard.
Plus with a username like that I couldn't imagine how smart you are

Daniel.

Yeah, we've been over this with him a few times already.

His name doesn't really lend much credence to his terrible arguments.
Older age =/= automatically right.

Just because someone is a "kid" or is younger than you, doesn't mean their arguments or point of view is invalid or incorrect.

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Eramo323

Ahaha nicely put

Banana_Cute

Dude prolli didnt have good relations with his parents. It's OK, bro.

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I wasn't saying kid to say your points are invalid.
"KID"argument: I just described the parents of most of us that are OLDER than you. Your still a kid.....
At least Daniel got it half right:
Acknowledging that it happens though (which is the point you're trying to make) is certainly the first step to correcting the core issue here.
The other half is: FUCK YOU. who are you to judge what someone does with their kid since there was no foreseen danger in taking a kid to a late-night movie. What, is it gonna give the kid brain damage? you say you're parents, What about the babies that are naturally up at that time of night?

Yeah, yeah, my user name..... Why you bringing up old shit for? Whats the relevance of your user names? does it mean you have a PHD in this subject? Yeah, I thought not. Ass.

"Military "folk" are taught from day one that no one gets left behind."
NO.

"There is no excuse for leaving your girlfriend, infant, and 4 yr old daughter behind in a dangerous situation. I understand it was a extremely dangerous and scary situation, but this person decided to have children and therefore is wholly responsible for their safety. He dipped out like a bitch. I am not saying that I would have gone all COD MW3 on the juggernaught with armor and assault weapons, but I know that I would have done my best to protect my family (at least 3 people died protecting their loved ones from the gunfire). There is just no excuse for leaving your family behind like that."
AGAIN, NO.
You wont know till your in that situation.
And, there are countless studies done on the behavior of people in crisis. All of them disagree with you about the masses. There are usually one or two that "die protecting their families", but its arguable that they felt life would be empty for them alone without their families.

"but this person decided to have children and therefore is wholly responsible for their safety"
^ And yet most all of the cases of child abuse, neglect, torture, rape, beating. Conclude almost as a whole that its those very people that cause them the most harm...Thus putting holes in your THEORY.

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It would be courteous to other viewers if people did not bring babies/young children to movie theaters for action adult themed movies.. Whining and crying from the graphic scenes and sounds does no good for the movie soundtrack/enjoyment. And the graphic scenes really shouldn't be viewed by young kids...

Some people grow up fine from seeing graphic movies/video games at young ages, and than some do not.

Who knows where this nutcase got this idea from. Individuality can be scary when some people just can't follow moral values.

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Eramo323

There is just no arguing with you
You're pathetic, maybe somebody needs to smack the stupid out of you
You're arguments are invalid (I'm not bringing up old shit, I don't remember ever having a conversation with you)

WERDdabuilder

he's in court tomorrow, wonder what he'll say. im thinking just sit there with a smile.

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ineedone

Again, that the guy brought his infant and his 4 yr old to a midnight showing is not what is important about what happened. No one will ever agree with you that it is responsible to bring an infant to the movies. It is like when a mother drinks or smokes when she is pregnant. Everyone knows that millions and millions of children were born completely normal with moms who did that. That is basically the reaction here. Yes, your kid, your decision... but when you bring your kid to public places and do something that is way out of the realm of responsibility then expect to be judged.



I think all of my clients at the Veteran's Law Clinic, my cousin who is an Army Ranger, my Uncle who is Vietnam vet, half of my neighborhood friends who serve now, and the rest of the service members I have met would beg to differ. But, hey, maybe you know different military guys than me.

I know I would not leave my family behind. I have been in situations where I could have fled or stayed. I stayed and let other people get away. Not getting into the situation, but I would argue that the majority of people who have a family and/or kids would do the same. Lets take a look at what actually happened in CO. 4 situations, in 3 the boyfriends laid on top of their loved ones and were killed protecting them, 1 ran away, leaving his Girlfriend, infant, and 4 yr old to die, he told his girlfriend to go back into the madness while he ran out of the theater, got into a car, and drove away. So using the community standard of relevance here, this guy does not deserve to have children, a family, or anything. If this was not a tragedy, someone could call CPS and report this guy and I would bet he would have quite the time trying to keep his children out of the states hands.


Actually, you are wrong on this. The studies show that people actually tend to "rise" to the situation. That is why you find many times ordinary people do extraordinary things. Look at what happened in VA tech shootings, Columbine, 911. Ordinary people risked their lives to save others with reckless disregard for their own lives. People stayed together because you always have a better chance of surviving together than alone. But hey, point me to a study that shows in high stress situation people will leave those they are most responsible for behind - because I bet that number is exponentially lower than those that would risk their own life to protect them.

No, my "theory" is pretty spot on. This guy is a terrible parent and should not have children. Just like those shitty parents who beat their kids, they should be placed in jail and have their children placed into a loving families care. When you have a family you do everything you can to protect them, not to hurt them or leave them behind. If that is not how you see it than you should not have a family because you are too selfish/stupid/sick to understand that when you begin bringing people into this world you immediately have a duty to that person. Your life becomes second to that life. Further, the people who do not understand this, those that beat/rape/torture/neglect their children, will go to jail (if they are reported, prosecuted, convicted etc) and are considered the lowest of low within the jail population. So yeah, I think even the lowest of society understand you take care of your kids and family.

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I'm not even going to respond to fyneyoungstunna's stupidity.

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Banana_Cute

fyneyoungstunna < this guy is such a tool bag.

Ok fine. They bring their kids at the movie because they have "no time" to have their
"own time". but at FUCKING MIDNIGHT SHOWING? Thats fucking selfish. Needless to say, that movie will still be on FIRST THING IN THE FUCKING MORNING. The argument wasnt bringing the child to the movies, Its bringing the child to the MIDNIGHT SHOWING!

Fucking ass hat.

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Justice won't be served.

He'll rot in prison rather than recieve the punishment he deserves.

YAY FOR JUSTICE! (rolls eyes)

Daniel.

I've decided that fyneyoungstunna has got to be the best troll ever. Twice now he's gotten me to take him seriously.

No one can be as much of an ignorant idiot as him in real life. If so, America is fucked because there's got to me more of them out there just like him...

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raz0rbladez909

Lol I was just thinking the same thing.

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ineedone

How much are you willing to pay as a taxpayer to the sole cause of killing this sick individual?

It is astronomically expensive for the state to legally kill a citizen once they have entered the judicial process. That obviously does not make anyone feel any better or have any "closure" (if they could even get any). So, purely economically speaking, it cost us less to keep the sicko alive than to kill him.

Because I think the people who commit these crimes can be extremely important in analyzing mental illness (or whatever is going on in their head), I personally believe keeping them as psychological lab rats (which is important so that first responders to these instances know exactly how to assess the situation - which they did here because of their previous experiences with columbine etc) is extremely more beneficial then offing them in the name of "justice."

And to anyone worried about the "insanity" defense, even in the extremely rare case that he actually is declared "insane" (less than 1% of defendants actually claim it, and less than half of those claiming are successful in their claim - that is also to say, not guilty by insanity because he could neither understand what he was doing, or that what he was doing was wrong etc - no idea what CO insanity defense is) that does not mean he would be free to roam the streets. The state will then detain him until they deem him not to be a threat to society, i.e., forever.

fyneyoungstunna

This I agree with almost wholly. A baby is not going to comprehend the actionc/violence/adult theme.
A young child, however, may or may not be influenced by it. But still that's up to the individual parent.

Most of you asshats are saying that it's inconsiderate or selfish to the baby to bring it to a midnight show. HOW? the baby is not going to comprehend the movie. Its eight going to be asleep,feeding and ready to go to sleep, or ready to go to sleep. What does the time of night matter in that situation. Some parents even bring earmuffs or other protective wear. So I'm still not seeing how its selfish.

Ok fine. They bring their kids at the movie because they have "no time" to have their
"own time". but at FUCKING MIDNIGHT SHOWING? That's fucking selfish. Needless to say, that movie will still be on FIRST THING IN THE FUCKING MORNING. The argument wasn't bringing the child to the movies, Its bringing the child to the MIDNIGHT SHOWING!

^I'm the asshat? but YOU just contradicted yourself in two sentences. Plus most movie theaters don't open till noon or later....

@ Eramo323: There is just no arguing with you
You're pathetic, maybe somebody needs to smack the stupid out of you
You're arguments are invalid (I'm not bringing up old shit, I don't remember ever having a conversation with you)

Yes, Maybe you should come smack the stupid out of me. Pm me and I will send you my address and pay for your ticket to fly, or pay your gas to come out and do just that. I will not however pay for you hospital bill or your physical therapy. If you chose to bring your "homies" or some shit, they will all meet the same demise.....


@Ineedone: how is it irresponsible? irresponsible is leaving your kid at the playground UN-attended, and still before the millennium, that was common practice in your local neighborhood...

I think ALL of my family members who are military, all of my HS friends who are military, and ALL the other military people I know would disagree with YOU. But you are right, maybe we know different military folks.

You are believing what the news it telling you.
1 of those that "shielded" their family was arguably on the way out and died mid action.
The other two they are waiting on the verdict for. But, I can let you know some of what they find.

My previous neighborhood and at times my line of work put me in those situations. One time I stayed:
I was at a Safeway getting some Ben and Jerry half baked ( you know, the good shit). I heard a loud crash and people running. I was away from the commotion and had no idea what was going on. I was on my way out the back when I heard a mom screaming "somebody do something" and a little girl crying. I stopped and let it sink in for a sec, and then went up to help. turns out some drug guy was getting ready to use the kid as a shield against some other guys punches.

Another time, there was a good crowd of us in dc in a store. two men entered with assault riffles and opened fire. All of us ran. Turns out two of the men ran and left their families behind...They were closest to the gunmen.

Again Ineedone: In your last part, you are spouting THEORY. There are no Facts and scientific evidence to back this up. In FACT there are studies from earlier cultures that say the complete opposite. Kids were put out to test their merit at a young age and were only let into society if they survived. I know you are gonna say I'm citing "300" buy you should do some studies on early civilization and nomadic culture and you will be surprised at what you find in the area of child rearing. What you are saying, is THEORY of a modern culture aka U.S.

But we do agree and know the facts on the "keeping him alive" part.
Yes he will more than likely NOT be killed because of the Tax of it. Colorado people tend to not like to pay taxes. Sometimes to the point of losing their businesses or homes.
Hes been "evaluated" twice already, and a trial that the public will never fully know about. there are also other facts that they are keeping out of the news. Ill be able to tell you more in about three days. By that time my statue will be up.

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raz0rbladez909

I'm military, and I don't agree with you What branch is it that is teaching the "Save yourself" mentality?!? I remember comaraderie being a huge thing when it came to bootcamp and I'm sure for others it is the same. You know the whole I have your back, you have mine kind of thing. Please don't talk about military training if you don't know what you are talking about.

Overall, I think this has gone way off topic and it appears he had his first day in court this morning. I was talking to my sister and she was saying she might have gone to Med school with the guy or something along those lines but I haven't heard anything else.

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fyneyoungstunna

^never did I say "save yourself" DON'T put words in my mouth.

"Please don't talk about military training if you don't know what you are talking about."
You have no IDEA what I KNOW about military. Most of the males in my family are decorated war heroes, or purple heart vets. I would have been Marine if it wasn't for a roofing accident. Ive been through more debriefings than you have been through training....

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Daniel.

Anyone else who bothers to respond to this guy is just falling for trollbait.

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No one cares about what "influence" a violent movie may have on a young kid. Most of the young kids will have nightmares and you as a parent will now have to have a 4 yr old sleeping your bed for the next week. Again, not the issue.

Babies cry, all the time. It is inconsiderate to bring an infant into a movie theater where it will cry. That is it. No rocket science. Just as annoying as idiot young kids talking the whole time. That is why if that shit goes down I politely ask an attendant to come escort the idiots out. If there was a crying baby, I would do the same.

Batman has been playing at 9am at every theater around me. Midnight is a stupid time to take an infant to a movie if it is a movie you HAVE to go to with your infant. But again, not the issue.

Calm down there Macho Man Randy Savage. No one wins in a e-thug match. OhhhhYEEAHHHH


If leaving your kid unattended at a playground is irresponsible... and I cannot believe I am typing this... How is leaving your kid in a movie theater where someone is shooting people responsible? Really?

So they just left all their buddies behind when shit got real? Yeah I highly doubt that. Just stop with trying to argue with every point. I have met one of the last medal of honor winners, spoken to a previous Joint Chief of Staff for the Marines (or whatever his official title would be - Gen. Pace) as well as the Odiernos (both Son and Father).

Watch this and tell me how you can even think that the motto of just about every serviceman motto is "no one gets left behind." Shit, you even have battle buddies during training...Think whatever you want about Pace's politics, but this speech was pretty incredible (It picks up around 3:30 when he starts talking about Tony O, and the real story starts around the 6 min mark why Pace is a real dude). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdkz6n1z1iM

Their was a 16(?) year old girl who stayed with her friend and held pressure on a neck wound while dialing 911 while shots were being fired. Or did the news make that up too?

I do not care how tough you are, I am not going to get into a pissing match with anyone about how tough or awesome one is. I could give a shit.

Please do not tell me you cited a fictional recreation of Greek mythology to prove your point... I gave you real situation where real people rose to the situation and sacrificed themselves for others. HOLY BALLS. Picking a soldier to fight is no where near analogous to being a decent human who protects his own. That is just a natural, paternal instinct. Even animals have that. That is not theory, that is fact. What else is fact is that not all people who become parents should be parents. Those that leave their kids and family behind when someone is shooting at a theater fit into that category. Stop defending the dude, it is ok that some people suck. That is also a fact.

It will depend on whether the AG (who I think is up for election or is term limited if I heard correctly) decides to go for the death penalty (which is probably a definite at this point). Death penalty cases are extensive, but considering that the amount of evidence that the State surely has, it probably will be easy to win at the lower level. It is when the appeals start where it gets pricey and a bit more complicated.

ineedone

That is what makes it fun.

fyneyoungstunna

Ineedone: you fail at reading.
We agree about the young kid part of your most recent reply.
Its the baby part we see different.

A lot of babies cry all the time...during the DAY. we are talking night here.


Actually, midnight makes more sense. Especially by YOUR logic, because you will incur less people because of the time. Just saying.

"Batman has been playing at 9am at every theater around me"
Ok, I eat humble pie on this one. Most of the time theaters around here do not start showing until noon.

The playground thing; you should re-read that. I was being facetious and there was a double meaning.

Military thing: again re-read. I didn't say it was "leave your buddies behind" you just assumed.

Pissing match and tough? You retard, those were two cases of evidence for and against fight or flight.

Cited fictional reality.....FUCK CAN YOU READ? Did you read the whole sentence and the one AFTER that? Or do you just go through and pick shit out?

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