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PIMPzilla · 09-30-2008, 09:16 PM

Looking to pick up a 95' s14 chassis with a bad motor. Seen a few s13 ka24de's for sale on craigslist. Would there be any issues running an S13 ka with the s14 wire harness and ecu? Any difference in performance?

Nikeboy355 · 09-30-2008, 10:17 PM

There is no difference in performance... Just small changes in the head and more emissions stuff...

drftthatshit · 10-01-2008, 09:02 AM

^^true no diffrence

PIMPzilla · 10-01-2008, 02:49 PM

So there is no extra sensors on a s14 harness? Thanks fellas

Om1kron · 10-02-2008, 09:47 AM

depends if it's obd1 or obd2, not sure what the exact differences are but yeah emissions definitely would be the generalization.

Also to get your car to pass smog legitly, you have to run an engine from the same model year or newer in the chassis.

projectRDM · 10-06-2008, 10:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PIMPzilla

So there is no extra sensors on a s14 harness? Thanks fellas

Yes. Depending on what you're doing you may not need them. For emissions and ease of swapping though you would just use your existing manifolds on the S13 longblock.

maxlineGTR · 11-25-2008, 07:04 PM

so everything is plug and play if you swap everything over to the S13 KA into the S14 chasis?...would I have to take out the heads?.I wouldnt mind but its a chain ..I d like it to be as stock as possible as far as the harness goes too...

[email protected] · 12-28-2008, 09:02 AM

hey guys this is my first post although i've been reading the forum for a while now. I too have an s14 with a blown motor, which has already been pulled out, and I bought an s13 KA. So I was planning on swapping out the intake, but also the motor I purchased was off a MT and my car is AT. Is there anything else I need to swap other than the torque converter.

projectRDM · 12-28-2008, 10:16 AM

And the flex plate, but you knew that.

[email protected] · 12-30-2008, 03:37 PM

of course. I cant wait to fire it up this week. `

schmauster · 01-01-2009, 02:47 AM

Automatic pilot bushing too! I forgot that one when i swapped to manual

tr4c3 · 01-01-2009, 11:47 AM

So swapping the intake is just for emissions purposes? And vice versa? What about the distributors? I was told the s14 and s13 are different. I'm doing the opposite, I'm swapping an s14 ka (95, obd1) into my 89, and if it's just for emissions I don't want to go through the hassle.

projectRDM · 01-01-2009, 03:26 PM

The distributor is different. There's plenty of threads on the parts needed to swap, this one was started just to decipher longblock differences.

tr4c3 · 01-01-2009, 04:34 PM

Yeah, I have the one thread saved on how to swap everything. I'm just going to swap intake/exhaust mani and distributor. I got a s13 dohc harness to use as well if needed.

To the OP, I forget the link, but here is the info. /close thread.

Quote:

I cover how to swap a S13 DOHC motor into a SOHC equipped S13, as well as parts necessary.

1. Source parts needed for swap (full parts list is at bottom of post).
2. Ensure you have adequate tools, space, equipment, time and money to accomplish this.
3. Source a motorset.
4. Yoink old motor from chassis. You can unbolt the motor mounts from above or below. Guide the motor out, making sure it doesn't damage
anything on it's way out. I'd pull the tranny at the same time as well, in case you're going to be utilizing the same transmission ,so that reinstallation will be much easier.
5. Remove A/C lines. You will have to get custom lines made if you want to keep A/C, or make a custom bracket for your SOHC compressor.
6. [OPTIONAL] Remove any other engine bay items like AIV, airbox, etc. and prepare engine bay to your liking. (clean, sand, paint, nothing, etc)
7. Move SOHC power steering lines over to driver's side & install DOHC power steering reservoir -OR- install S13 DOHC power steering lines.
8. Replace SOHC throttle cable with DOHC throttle cable. Two bolts at the firewall behind the accelerator (and remove the accelerator to make life easier.
9. Pull SOHC engine harness. You can either cut it at the firewall, leave it intact and pull it thru the firewall (into the engine bay), or whatever is easiest for you. Don't throw it away just yet - you may want extra wiring, or to keep the connectors for future use.
10. Install DOHC engine harness. Reverse of above.
11. If you're doing a manual swap, NOW is the time to drill out the place for the clutch master cylinder, install it, and run the hardline down.
12. reinstall everything you took out to prep the engine bay, like AIV, airbox, cruise control, etc.
13. Prepare your new motor. This means whatever maintenance you'd like to perform on it before it goes in, i.e. water pump, vacuum line
replacement, thermostat, reseal oil pan, timing chain job, belts, etc. It's about 11ty billion times easier working on an engine when it's OUTSIDE of a car.
14. Slide your slick new DOHC KA into it's new home. Again, watch your clearances. You don't want to damage anything or scratch that fresh new paint, right? Make sure you attach your heater hoses during this step. It'll make life MUCH easier.
15. After getting the tranny mount in and bolted down, tighten down the motor mounts. This is important, as your engine can sit cockeyed and still be tightened down at the motor mounts.
16. You're getting close! Reinstall your clutch fan (or not if you have electric stuff), and install your radiator and fan shroud. Install your Upper and Lower radiator hoses at this time.
17. Start connecting the harness to the motor. Now is the time to do a clean job of installing the wiring.
18. Finish installing everything else, like intake piping, sparkplug wires, etc.
19. Your engine bay SHOULD be complete. Now it's time to address swap wiring.

Wiring:
F'ing SIMPLE.
1. Locate the body harness (under dash harness that attached to the ECU) that attached to your old harness. Cut the old connector off (the one that attached to your SOHC harness) and attach your DOHC body harness connector. Just match the colors! There will be some wires left over. These are for the SOHC's diagnostic plug, and are unnecessary. Please note: Your car will NOT be able to hook up to a CONSULT tool. To accomplish this, you must get a body harness with all the correct DOHC wiring. This is why we cut the body harness connector off, and not the engine harness connector.
2. I recommend using a soldering iron, shrink tubing and electrical tape as opposed to butt connectors. It makes for a much cleaner job, and a cleaner electrical signal.
3. You need to swap out your tach if you want one that works. No wiring is involved, but it must be done. Simply pull your combination meter (gauge cluster) and remove the three screws behind the tach. Lift and separate. Installation is reverse of removal.
4. You should also extend the wires that go to the PS line sensor and connect that to your subharness. It's not necessary, but it's a good
idea.

Parts needed:
S13 DOHC KA (or S14 KA with OBDI lower intake plenum, S13 DOHC distributor and S13 DOHC coil & others)
S13 DOHC engine harness & body harness connector.
S13 DOHC MAF, intake piping, coil, tachometer, power steering reservior and hoses (low pressure), throttle cable (and cruise cable if you have it.), engine-side brake booster vacuum hose, engine/transmission subharness (if swapping from automagic).
Optional: S13 DOHC power steering high pressure lines

A few sidenotes: S13 AIV system is same/same. Nothing needs changing there. For cruise control, the cable length is dependent on the motor. DOHC cruise control can't use the SOHC cable without a weird custom bracket.

For my swap, I used a '95 KA, adjusted to behave like a '92. I used a '92 exhaust manifold, EGR tube, distributor, lower intake plenum, coil, and vacuum routing. To eliminate the secondary butterfly vacuum line, I pinched it and sealed it. I performed a fully stock swap. No EGR or AIV elimination, no intake or cams or otherwise.

-Kevin
PS. Please note that I did all this by searching for information on how to do it. I'd never previously swapped a motor before. Also, feel free to remind me of steps that I missed, info I left out or didn't address, or other constructive criticism.

09-30-2008, 09:16 PM	#1
PIMPzilla Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: CO Posts: 16 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	S14 ka24de and S13 ka24de Looking to pick up a 95' s14 chassis with a bad motor. Seen a few s13 ka24de's for sale on craigslist. Would there be any issues running an S13 ka with the s14 wire harness and ecu? Any difference in performance?

09-30-2008, 10:17 PM	#2
Nikeboy355 Zilvia Addict Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Los Angeles, CA Age: 41 Posts: 734 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	There is no difference in performance... Just small changes in the head and more emissions stuff... __________________ http://respectvolkracing.blogspot.com/

10-02-2008, 09:47 AM	#5
Om1kron Post Whore! Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Simi Valley, CA Age: 40 Posts: 6,879 Trader Rating: (15) Feedback Score: 15 reviews	depends if it's obd1 or obd2, not sure what the exact differences are but yeah emissions definitely would be the generalization. Also to get your car to pass smog legitly, you have to run an engine from the same model year or newer in the chassis. __________________ Wayne

12-28-2008, 10:16 AM	#9
projectRDM Post Whore! Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Atlanta Age: 47 Posts: 13,812 Trader Rating: (12) Feedback Score: 12 reviews	And the flex plate, but you knew that. __________________ FORMERLY R240NA Learn what's really going on and protect your assets now before they're gone forever: www.paypalsucks.com

01-01-2009, 03:26 PM	#13
projectRDM Post Whore! Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Atlanta Age: 47 Posts: 13,812 Trader Rating: (12) Feedback Score: 12 reviews	The distributor is different. There's plenty of threads on the parts needed to swap, this one was started just to decipher longblock differences. __________________ FORMERLY R240NA Learn what's really going on and protect your assets now before they're gone forever: www.paypalsucks.com

10-01-2008, 09:02 AM	#3
drftthatshit Zilvia Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: fox lake Age: 33 Posts: 192 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	^^true no diffrence

10-01-2008, 02:49 PM	#4
PIMPzilla Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: CO Posts: 16 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	So there is no extra sensors on a s14 harness? Thanks fellas

11-25-2008, 07:04 PM	#7
maxlineGTR Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: W Covina Posts: 38 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	so everything is plug and play if you swap everything over to the S13 KA into the S14 chasis?...would I have to take out the heads?.I wouldnt mind but its a chain ..I d like it to be as stock as possible as far as the harness goes too...

12-28-2008, 09:02 AM	#8
[email protected] Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: San Fernando Valley Posts: 2 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	hey guys this is my first post although i've been reading the forum for a while now. I too have an s14 with a blown motor, which has already been pulled out, and I bought an s13 KA. So I was planning on swapping out the intake, but also the motor I purchased was off a MT and my car is AT. Is there anything else I need to swap other than the torque converter.

12-30-2008, 03:37 PM	#10
[email protected] Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: San Fernando Valley Posts: 2 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	of course. I cant wait to fire it up this week. `

01-01-2009, 02:47 AM	#11
schmauster Leaky Injector Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Socal Age: 38 Posts: 69 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Automatic pilot bushing too! I forgot that one when i swapped to manual

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