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SixSpeedSleuth · 09-26-2007, 10:42 PM

350 to 400whp does indeed feel fast on the street, but it's just like everything else. You get used to it. I dyno at 425whp at 19PSI, but rarely run that on the street, but when I do, it's very streetable. I normally run about 16 to 18PSI. So, around 375whp.

I'm not sure about everybody saying you can't get traction with that much horsepower, but thats BS. I run 255/40/17 Falken Azenis RT 615's on 17 X 10 enkei RPF-1's on the rear and I do spin first till redline, but on a hard shift to second, it merely chirps the tires unless I'm REALLY shifted hard and fast. Then, it will spin them briefly, but in a controlled manner. Maybe my supsension plays a part as well. I run KTS Coils.

For reference, I have a Blacktop Sr with Twin-Scroll Full-Race manifold, Greedy Intake Manifold, S4 Cams, and a TS 3071R.

GabeS14 · 09-27-2007, 02:56 AM

[QUOTE=Koopa Troopa;1561967]Most the cars there would embarass the majority of cars in the states. All you hear Friday night at a stop light is twin plate clutches singing. 400+ WHP at the local drags is the norm, hell there were two S13's with t88's the last time I was there.

You're still not getting the point I'm making about 2 steps...

Here's a video you might like
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CeP7D9q_qZc[/ame]

AAAAH, made me miss Oki... That shit was awesome!!
I watched the video, trying to remember seing some of the cars..I think i remember the Boxie old as R31 style skyline, with the square tail lights, completely guted, owned by an oold fat american guy., fast as hell..

ixfxi · 09-27-2007, 03:19 PM

Whats with everyone talking about "Oki"... this reminds me of Fast & Furious 3...

DK? Whos that, Doooonkey Kooooong?

I like how everyone feels they have street-rep just from being in Japan and living with the racers, the forbidden underground.

hahaha okay jokes aside..... the points I made are absolute facts:

- If your car doesnt have traction, you wont be able to take advantage of the power. Disagree? Ask Supra owners why they cant keep their cars planted. Takes a lot of work to plant that power accurately without losing traction.

- If your car isnt light, its not going to brake, steer, or accellerate as easily as if it was light(ened). The lighter your car is, the easier time it will have doing any of the above. In turn, a lighter car will be easier on its brakes, tires, and suspension. So if your heavy Supra has 14" rotors and 315mm tires, dont feel superior. Those brakes and tires are now "sufficient" in controlling that high HP / heavy weight car. But, it doesnt mean its optimal for canyon driving. Its more geared for high speed, where weight isnt as big of a concern. Much like how Z32 4POT brakes are fucking USELESS on the heavy weight 300ZX turbo, they work wonders on our cars.. they're actually very very good brakes for most 240 setups.

- Last, the amount of power and amount of response your car has is a very important limiting factor as to how aggressively you can drive in the turns. If your car puts the power down too abruptly (like S13 SRs), then the driver will have a harder time putting down that power. With my S13 96-98 SR, power still comes out rather abrupt and it makes driving more twitchy & nervous. With my 140-150HP Miata, I can mash the gas near 100% of the time and apply a higher percentage of that power than I could with the 240.

Anyway....... its a long post but its still stuff people need to consider. I've raced a lot of different types of cars in the mountains with different cars and different configurations. What I'm trying to say is that your skills are more important and the absolute limiting factor. Your skills change everyday. Some people wont believe that a 140HP Miata can keepup with a 360 Modena or Porsche Carrera, but it can if tuned and confugured properly. Most importantly, you gotta know the terrain you're driving on. I dont care how much power my car(s) have, I cant race for shit in a track or canyon that I've never been on before.

steve shadows · 09-27-2007, 03:41 PM

all this talk about weight has inspired some post-work stripping tonight.

Im going to see if I cant pull another 100lbs off ole blackie.

she's at 2550 now...

t . b o z · 09-27-2007, 04:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Koopa Troopa

Most the cars there would embarass the majority of cars in the states. All you hear Friday night at a stop light is twin plate clutches singing. 400+ WHP at the local drags is the norm, hell there were two S13's with t88's the last time I was there.

You're still not getting the point I'm making about 2 steps...

Here's a video you might like
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CeP7D9q_qZc

But I do get the "I've been in OKi too long" quite often. LOL

To Civic dude - 180whp EG6 doing 150 kp/h through this turn is pretty scary

Haha, awesome!

My brother here has a '93 Civic cx. Came from the factory without A/C, or powersteering, manual windows..etc.etc..

Its REALLY light. Hes got a few things done to it, but it handles its ass off.

Our friend with a Civic coupe has a poor-man's ITR build. 4.73 FD w/ LSD tranny from a JDM ITR. Its got about 200+/- whp and its beaten a lot higher horsepower cars just becuase of its powerband.

People think you have to have a shit-ton of horsepower to have an enjoyable car. You dont!! Power delivery is what its all about, and the overall chassis package.

steve shadows · 09-27-2007, 04:21 PM

my s13 coupe at 2680 lbs without me was almost more fun than the black one in a corner.

mostly because I could hear the KA literally dieing and screaming for me to stop hurting it, 90-100 mph transistion with elevation increases.

the only thing that killed the car was federals on the front.

will never do that on anything ever again, only in the back, fuck those shitty tires.

lucky7 · 09-27-2007, 04:52 PM

hmmm. i put down 305whp. BPU RB25. im bored as crap with it. this winter its probably getting the bottom end rebuilt, and a GT3076R. its a street car. i figure having just under 500 at the wheels would be a good range.

clutch kick drifter · 10-10-2007, 07:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SixSpeedSleuth

350 to 400whp does indeed feel fast on the street, but it's just like everything else. You get used to it. I dyno at 425whp at 19PSI, but rarely run that on the street, but when I do, it's very streetable. I normally run about 16 to 18PSI. So, around 375whp.

I'm not sure about everybody saying you can't get traction with that much horsepower, but thats BS. I run 255/40/17 Falken Azenis RT 615's on 17 X 10 enkei RPF-1's on the rear and I do spin first till redline, but on a hard shift to second, it merely chirps the tires unless I'm REALLY shifted hard and fast. Then, it will spin them briefly, but in a controlled manner. Maybe my supsension plays a part as well. I run KTS Coils.

For reference, I have a Blacktop Sr with Twin-Scroll Full-Race manifold, Greedy Intake Manifold, S4 Cams, and a TS 3071R.

mind if i ask to see dyno sheet? Im making 350ish on a 2871R and spin going from 1st to 2nd and can easily keep them broke loose....and mines no controlled manner haha... the steering begins

ixfxi · 10-10-2007, 09:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lucky7

hmmm. i put down 305whp. BPU RB25. im bored as crap with it. this winter its probably getting the bottom end rebuilt, and a GT3076R. its a street car. i figure having just under 500 at the wheels would be a good range.

I'm sure you've got a lot of learning to do in the drivers department.

That amount of power can never be boring. Sounds like you need more of a challenge by using that power in a more difficult terrain.

SixSpeedSleuth · 10-10-2007, 11:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by clutch kick drifter

mind if i ask to see dyno sheet? Im making 350ish on a 2871R and spin going from 1st to 2nd and can easily keep them broke loose....and mines no controlled manner haha... the steering begins

Here you go. Now, let me add a few things. If my tires are cold, it will indeed spin them to redline in second as well as first, but, if I let them warm up a bit, they spin briefly but catch soon.

Ian · 10-10-2007, 11:37 PM

are you running radials?

McRussellPants · 10-11-2007, 12:46 AM

[QUOTE=steve shadows;1563446
the only thing that killed the car was federals on the front.

will never do that on anything ever again, only in the back, fuck those shitty tires.[/QUOTE]

sighhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

bad driving

sighhhhhhhhhhhhhh

TonKpilS14 · 10-11-2007, 12:54 AM

anything is close to 400hp is fast for street driving in my opinion. When i had my S14 i would DD around 300hp at 12PSI with a Greddy T51 Turbo.

i think thats PERFECT. then i bump it up to 20psi for everything else.

hopefully i can get even more hp now... im putting that motor in2 a s13 this week ^_-

KA-T_240 · 10-11-2007, 09:36 AM

I dont know how you are not spinning in 2nd. I had 255 RT615s, even with a long burn out to get them hot, and on a prepped track i spin into 3rd. KA-T with [email protected] I know have 275s and still light them up.

400whp on the streets can be alot of fun, but can also be really dangerous if you do not know what you are doing, or are using it in a idiotic ways.

Koopa Troopa · 10-11-2007, 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mach5camaross

I know have 275s and still light them up.

Probably cause you're using maybe 195mm of that tire due to your excessive negative camber...

steve shadows · 10-11-2007, 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by McRussellPants

sighhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

bad driving

sighhhhhhhhhhhhhh

................................yep I suck at driving

Quote:

Originally Posted by mach5camaross

400whp on the streets can be alot of fun, but can also be really dangerous if you do not know what you are doing, or are using it in a idiotic ways.

well I drive around my other s13 at 440whp

but Im bad at driving

Koopa Troopa · 10-11-2007, 03:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by McRussellPants

sighhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

bad driving

sighhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Clearly you've never been in a car with Federals on the front....

Oh wait, Federals are a leading competitive tire...

ixfxi · 10-11-2007, 04:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by McRussellPants

sighhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
bad driving
sighhhhhhhhhhhhhh

i thought that wearing super tite emo jeans help increase feeling and allow better car control though..............

FEDERAL - A great name, for an even greater tire company.
"At FEDERAL, we help save lives, one at a time."

:-)

steve shadows · 10-11-2007, 04:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ixfxi

i thought that wearing super tite emo jeans help increase feeling and allow better car control though..............

FEDERAL - A great name, for an even greater tire company.
"At FEDERAL, we help save lives, one at a time."

:-)

omg im dieing here hahaha

no really id drift on them but thats about it.

oh man

one life at a time

ixfxi · 10-12-2007, 03:35 AM

jean luc picard..................

uuu essss esss enter-priiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiise

illvialuver · 10-12-2007, 10:47 AM

is that fast? do bears shit in the woods? do irish people drink bear and eat potatoes?
i think the answer is yes. and im just checking but is the sky up?
jk. well whatever hp set up you get to, let us know so we know if you think it is fast.

steve shadows · 10-12-2007, 10:50 AM

im already wanting 500

theres no point to it except maybe a straight on the FWY on r comps

but its fun closing the speedo down before you can blink

Boostage · 02-08-2009, 07:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SixSpeedSleuth

Here you go. Now, let me add a few things. If my tires are cold, it will indeed spin them to redline in second as well as first, but, if I let them warm up a bit, they spin briefly but catch soon.

This must feel nuts on the street.

EmmanuelTucay · 02-08-2009, 07:38 PM

i have a 310 to the wheel s14. like people say... its very fast and hardly no traction. i run on 9 inch 225/40/17. now when i first got it tuned i thought it was insane! but like 90RSP13 said, eventually it will seem slow and you want more. just take it in stride little by little. dont get greedy and you may have an accident due to lack of expiriance. 350 is more than enough for the streets.

**Phlip** · 02-08-2009, 07:43 PM

I try not to curse when I moderate a thread...
...but...
...

LOOK AT THE FUCKING THREAD DATE!!!

09-27-2007, 02:56 AM	#62
GabeS14 Post Whore! Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Sin City Las Vegas Posts: 4,521 Trader Rating: (27) Rides Gallery: GabeS14 Feedback Score: 27 reviews	[QUOTE=Koopa Troopa;1561967]Most the cars there would embarass the majority of cars in the states. All you hear Friday night at a stop light is twin plate clutches singing. 400+ WHP at the local drags is the norm, hell there were two S13's with t88's the last time I was there. You're still not getting the point I'm making about 2 steps... Here's a video you might like [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CeP7D9q_qZc[/ame] AAAAH, made me miss Oki... That shit was awesome!! I watched the video, trying to remember seing some of the cars..I think i remember the Boxie old as R31 style skyline, with the square tail lights, completely guted, owned by an oold fat american guy., fast as hell.. __________________ E92 M3 19" wheels for sale///JWT Cams and Springs +30whp for sale... cheap.

09-27-2007, 03:41 PM	#64
steve shadows Post Whore! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: LA and OC Posts: 8,202 Trader Rating: (5) Feedback Score: 5 reviews	all this talk about weight has inspired some post-work stripping tonight. Im going to see if I cant pull another 100lbs off ole blackie. she's at 2550 now... __________________ Like Me on FaceBook !

09-27-2007, 04:21 PM	#66
steve shadows Post Whore! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: LA and OC Posts: 8,202 Trader Rating: (5) Feedback Score: 5 reviews	my s13 coupe at 2680 lbs without me was almost more fun than the black one in a corner. mostly because I could hear the KA literally dieing and screaming for me to stop hurting it, 90-100 mph transistion with elevation increases. the only thing that killed the car was federals on the front. will never do that on anything ever again, only in the back, fuck those shitty tires. __________________ Like Me on FaceBook !

09-27-2007, 04:52 PM	#67
lucky7 Post Whore! Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Oakland (OT) Michigan Age: 36 Posts: 3,353 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: lucky7 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	hmmm. i put down 305whp. BPU RB25. im bored as crap with it. this winter its probably getting the bottom end rebuilt, and a GT3076R. its a street car. i figure having just under 500 at the wheels would be a good range. __________________ -Dane

10-11-2007, 09:36 AM	#74
KA-T_240 Nissanaholic! Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Moorhead, MN Age: 34 Posts: 1,788 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I dont know how you are not spinning in 2nd. I had 255 RT615s, even with a long burn out to get them hot, and on a prepped track i spin into 3rd. KA-T with [email protected] I know have 275s and still light them up. 400whp on the streets can be alot of fun, but can also be really dangerous if you do not know what you are doing, or are using it in a idiotic ways. __________________

09-26-2007, 10:42 PM	#61
SixSpeedSleuth Zilvia Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: North Carolina Age: 42 Posts: 176 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	350 to 400whp does indeed feel fast on the street, but it's just like everything else. You get used to it. I dyno at 425whp at 19PSI, but rarely run that on the street, but when I do, it's very streetable. I normally run about 16 to 18PSI. So, around 375whp. I'm not sure about everybody saying you can't get traction with that much horsepower, but thats BS. I run 255/40/17 Falken Azenis RT 615's on 17 X 10 enkei RPF-1's on the rear and I do spin first till redline, but on a hard shift to second, it merely chirps the tires unless I'm REALLY shifted hard and fast. Then, it will spin them briefly, but in a controlled manner. Maybe my supsension plays a part as well. I run KTS Coils. For reference, I have a Blacktop Sr with Twin-Scroll Full-Race manifold, Greedy Intake Manifold, S4 Cams, and a TS 3071R.

09-27-2007, 03:19 PM	#63
ixfxi Post Whore! Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: bangin on my chest Account: BANNED #fucksupreme Age: 79 Posts: 5,923 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	Whats with everyone talking about "Oki"... this reminds me of Fast & Furious 3... DK? Whos that, Doooonkey Kooooong? I like how everyone feels they have street-rep just from being in Japan and living with the racers, the forbidden underground. hahaha okay jokes aside..... the points I made are absolute facts: - If your car doesnt have traction, you wont be able to take advantage of the power. Disagree? Ask Supra owners why they cant keep their cars planted. Takes a lot of work to plant that power accurately without losing traction. - If your car isnt light, its not going to brake, steer, or accellerate as easily as if it was light(ened). The lighter your car is, the easier time it will have doing any of the above. In turn, a lighter car will be easier on its brakes, tires, and suspension. So if your heavy Supra has 14" rotors and 315mm tires, dont feel superior. Those brakes and tires are now "sufficient" in controlling that high HP / heavy weight car. But, it doesnt mean its optimal for canyon driving. Its more geared for high speed, where weight isnt as big of a concern. Much like how Z32 4POT brakes are fucking USELESS on the heavy weight 300ZX turbo, they work wonders on our cars.. they're actually very very good brakes for most 240 setups. - Last, the amount of power and amount of response your car has is a very important limiting factor as to how aggressively you can drive in the turns. If your car puts the power down too abruptly (like S13 SRs), then the driver will have a harder time putting down that power. With my S13 96-98 SR, power still comes out rather abrupt and it makes driving more twitchy & nervous. With my 140-150HP Miata, I can mash the gas near 100% of the time and apply a higher percentage of that power than I could with the 240. Anyway....... its a long post but its still stuff people need to consider. I've raced a lot of different types of cars in the mountains with different cars and different configurations. What I'm trying to say is that your skills are more important and the absolute limiting factor. Your skills change everyday. Some people wont believe that a 140HP Miata can keepup with a 360 Modena or Porsche Carrera, but it can if tuned and confugured properly. Most importantly, you gotta know the terrain you're driving on. I dont care how much power my car(s) have, I cant race for shit in a track or canyon that I've never been on before.

10-11-2007, 12:46 AM	#72
McRussellPants Nissanaholic! Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Austin, Tx Posts: 2,168 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	[QUOTE=steve shadows;1563446 the only thing that killed the car was federals on the front. will never do that on anything ever again, only in the back, fuck those shitty tires.[/QUOTE] sighhhhhhhhhhhhhhh bad driving sighhhhhhhhhhhhhh

10-11-2007, 12:54 AM	#73
TonKpilS14 BANNED Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: 714 SoCal Posts: 183 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	anything is close to 400hp is fast for street driving in my opinion. When i had my S14 i would DD around 300hp at 12PSI with a Greddy T51 Turbo. i think thats PERFECT. then i bump it up to 20psi for everything else. hopefully i can get even more hp now... im putting that motor in2 a s13 this week ^_-

10-12-2007, 03:35 AM	#80
ixfxi Post Whore! Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: bangin on my chest Account: BANNED #fucksupreme Age: 79 Posts: 5,923 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	jean luc picard.................. uuu essss esss enter-priiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiise

10-12-2007, 10:47 AM	#81
illvialuver Post Whore! Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: M-A-R-S... MARS BITCHES Age: 38 Posts: 5,065 Trader Rating: (35) Feedback Score: 35 reviews	is that fast? do bears shit in the woods? do irish people drink bear and eat potatoes? i think the answer is yes. and im just checking but is the sky up? jk. well whatever hp set up you get to, let us know so we know if you think it is fast.

10-12-2007, 10:50 AM	#82
steve shadows Post Whore! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: LA and OC Posts: 8,202 Trader Rating: (5) Feedback Score: 5 reviews	im already wanting 500 theres no point to it except maybe a straight on the FWY on r comps but its fun closing the speedo down before you can blink __________________ Like Me on FaceBook !

02-08-2009, 07:38 PM	#84
EmmanuelTucay BANNED Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Cerritos Age: 36 Posts: 54 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	i have a 310 to the wheel s14. like people say... its very fast and hardly no traction. i run on 9 inch 225/40/17. now when i first got it tuned i thought it was insane! but like 90RSP13 said, eventually it will seem slow and you want more. just take it in stride little by little. dont get greedy and you may have an accident due to lack of expiriance. 350 is more than enough for the streets.

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