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***dorkidori_s13*** · 10-07-2012, 11:48 PM

thank you freaq, i <3 you

at first i was all

but then after what your wrote i was all

driftsucky · 10-08-2012, 02:57 PM

Just a quick question for all of you...and consider this. We (i.e. this forum and gearheads like us) make up a small portion of the market. Sports cars will never be the bread and butter of any company and hence, most manufactures have 2..at best. Also, how many of us will actually be willing to pay for a $25k car...i.e. make payments as well as modifications?

All that said, do any of you think Nissan would do well with marketing an S chassis (rebirth) and a Z chassis? Technically, Nissan has 2 sports cars now; the GTR and the Z. Would enough people get behind a 3rd sports car in their lineup? As an enthusiast, I ask myself this question a lot. I work at dealership so I get to see both ends. I get to see manufacturers throw vehicles at the market and I get to see customers come in and ask why wasn't this done or that done, but as an enthusiast, sometimes I ask the same question.

For instance, why not bring the Focus RS to our shores? Why just the ST? Is there a market for that vehicle? According to the forums, there is, but when you look at the hard numbers of Evo and STI sales, they barely make a dent in the respective manufacturers product line. Plenty of Lancers and WRX's running around though. Even when looking at Nissan, the GTR doesn't account for a much of their profit margin. IT sold respectively well (and, most buyers on the east coast, anyway, lease it according to numbers), but it is not a cash cow for Nissan. The Altima, Versa, and Cube are really the bread and butter.

Even Toyota's Scion line, now with an FR-S. How well does it REALLY do? You've seen them at shows and on our favorite stance and automotive sites, but is it keeping up with the much less expensive and equally as nice tC and xB, neither of which are performance based models, but come well equipped for less money?

Just a question because I know most "car guys" never think of the business side of what goes into the cars that companies actually shoot down the production line.

Twinkies! · 10-08-2012, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Bambi

The V6 isn't even that great, it's good, but nothing amazing. A lighter chassis with a presumably higher revving turbo charged 4 cylinder would be funner vs having a light chassis and a heavy ass V6 that likes guzzling gas and cries at the thought of being boosted. Now I'm saying this for this new "leaner Z," I'm not saying the current Z should have a 4 banger.

v6's have alot of potential, they may be heavy but their lighter than an inline 6 and they run cooler than and inline 6, never underestimate a v6

feito · 10-08-2012, 08:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by driftsucky

Just a quick question for all of you...and consider this. We (i.e. this forum and gearheads like us) make up a small portion of the market. Sports cars will never be the bread and butter of any company and hence, most manufactures have 2..at best. Also, how many of us will actually be willing to pay for a $25k car...i.e. make payments as well as modifications?

All that said, do any of you think Nissan would do well with marketing an S chassis (rebirth) and a Z chassis? Technically, Nissan has 2 sports cars now; the GTR and the Z. Would enough people get behind a 3rd sports car in their lineup? As an enthusiast, I ask myself this question a lot. I work at dealership so I get to see both ends. I get to see manufacturers throw vehicles at the market and I get to see customers come in and ask why wasn't this done or that done, but as an enthusiast, sometimes I ask the same question.

For instance, why not bring the Focus RS to our shores? Why just the ST? Is there a market for that vehicle? According to the forums, there is, but when you look at the hard numbers of Evo and STI sales, they barely make a dent in the respective manufacturers product line. Plenty of Lancers and WRX's running around though. Even when looking at Nissan, the GTR doesn't account for a much of their profit margin. IT sold respectively well (and, most buyers on the east coast, anyway, lease it according to numbers), but it is not a cash cow for Nissan. The Altima, Versa, and Cube are really the bread and butter.

Even Toyota's Scion line, now with an FR-S. How well does it REALLY do? You've seen them at shows and on our favorite stance and automotive sites, but is it keeping up with the much less expensive and equally as nice tC and xB, neither of which are performance based models, but come well equipped for less money?

Just a question because I know most "car guys" never think of the business side of what goes into the cars that companies actually shoot down the production line.

i think u hit the nailed on the head with that one. What the fuck are most of us waiting on a new s-chassis for anyway? Just to watch pix online and jerk off to them? To wait some 5-10 years till the value goes down then "maybe" buy one? Honestly I doubt many of us in here could afford to buy one (including myself) if it ever comes out. Im sure most of us in here own 240s because that's all we can afford..
But hey, who knows, i might just have a waaaay better job then n be able to afford it!!! So yeahhh, bring it on bitches!!

dagger · 10-08-2012, 09:23 PM

i might sound a little noob-ish, but like why nissan just not produce s13s, s14s, n s15s like on request?

Nissanman09 · 10-08-2012, 09:52 PM

Think after i get a 5.0 ill just get a Genesis 4 banger or v6 and use it as a daily.

Bambi · 10-08-2012, 10:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dagger

i might sound a little noob-ish, but like why nissan just not produce s13s, s14s, n s15s like on request?

You sound troll-ish.

FU12 · 10-08-2012, 10:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dagger

i might sound a little noob-ish, but like why nissan just not produce s13s, s14s, n s15s like on request?

Because if they did they'd HAVE to charge much more than ppl who drive 240s are willing to pay. It costs a lot of money to stop a production line to make one vehicle. Programming welds, mapping tolerances, blah blah blah. Much more trouble than its worth.

***dorkidori_s13*** · 10-08-2012, 10:17 PM

because some of us are brand whores would like to own a brand new S chassis that requires no mods or work just to make it a "normal" car.

there are SOME folks on here who had the opportunity to purchase a brand new one back in the 90s, but the MAJORITY of us have only ever owned someone elses abused entry level sports coupe that we have to pour tons of money into. now dont get me wrong, i LOVE my s13, and i will ALWAYS love s13s (ive only owned 5 of them), but i would happily go into debt to drive one off the lot, brand new, with zero milage, a full warranty, AIR CONDITIONING and zero issues! oh, and the fact that i can take care of it and love it from its humble beginnings.

and to answer someones question above about the FRS/BRZ, uh, dood, scion AND subaru cant keep them on the lot, PERIOD! the scion dealership near my work is COMPLETELY pre-sold (aka sold out) until next february. and from my understand, there are quite a few dealerships that have this issue on the west coast (not ALL scion dealerships get them btw, not gonna get into why)

***dorkidori_s13*** · 10-08-2012, 10:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FU12

Because if they did they'd HAVE to charge much more than ppl who drive 240s are willing to pay. It costs a lot of money to stop a production line to make one vehicle. Programming welds, mapping tolerances, blah blah blah. Much more trouble than its worth.

oh and the fact that they cannot be legally produced anymore due to safety standards and emission ratings for new cars lol

driftsucky · 10-09-2012, 08:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dorkidori_s13

because some of us are brand whores would like to own a brand new S chassis that requires no mods or work just to make it a "normal" car.

there are SOME folks on here who had the opportunity to purchase a brand new one back in the 90s, but the MAJORITY of us have only ever owned someone elses abused entry level sports coupe that we have to pour tons of money into. now dont get me wrong, i LOVE my s13, and i will ALWAYS love s13s (ive only owned 5 of them), but i would happily go into debt to drive one off the lot, brand new, with zero milage, a full warranty, AIR CONDITIONING and zero issues! oh, and the fact that i can take care of it and love it from its humble beginnings.

and to answer someones question above about the FRS/BRZ, uh, dood, scion AND subaru cant keep them on the lot, PERIOD! the scion dealership near my work is COMPLETELY pre-sold (aka sold out) until next february. and from my understand, there are quite a few dealerships that have this issue on the west coast (not ALL scion dealerships get them btw, not gonna get into why)

I FULLY understand what you're saying and I agree with you. I've had 3 S-chassis and I love them. I would have my 4th but I opted for a G instead to get some aminities and keep in a fun Nissan RWD coupe (Z's are somehow more cramped than S-chassis and I'm a bit swole around the edges). Plus, it's getting hard to find an S that isn't all JDMBUTSEKZED priced. I think there are plenty of people that would and can buy a new S-chassis, but is it enough to make a dent is my question. Dealers not being able to hold onto the car is no correlation to how much profit there is in them. Especially when it's a somewhat limited production model vehicle.

For instance, my dealership is near the glenn (Watkins Glenn) and we have 2 major area Mustang clubs that do business here. Because of that, it is rare that we have a Mustang come off of the truck that isn't already sold. From V6 base all the way up to Shelby's and Boss's. We have not had a new Mustang sit on our lot for more than a week in a couple of years and if used ones sit, it's because we get them at odd times of the year (winter). So, if you're going by that alone, it would look like we sell SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO many Mustangs. Truth is, we are just a Mustang hub. Many of our techs race, many of our customer base for that car has expendible income and can do that. Lastly, we have the walk-ins looking for Mustangs. And there's other dealerships in the area with the same issue. There's only 1 dealership in our area that I can think of (cuz we're all within 20-30 minutes of each other) that keep Mustangs year round and it's not because they get more than us or anyone else. I won't get into the reasons, but let's just say the customer experience there isn't always as desirable as one would like. Yet and still, Mustangs don't make up a large part of what we sell, even though we typically sell out quickly (and a few others in the area do as well). You will always find F150's and Super Duties in our area, but those outsell Mustangs 2 to 1.

So, all that said, not keeping a limited production vehicle on the lot isn't neccessarily an indicator to how much of an impact it makes on the overall profit margin of the manufacturer.

I fully agree with a keeping lightweight affordable RWD sports coupes in the market because I'm an enthusiast and I like'em. If I didn't buy a brand new S-chassis RIGHT NOW, it would simply be because purchasing a coupe with 2 kids in pre-school and kindergarden is hard to justify. Getting the wife to sign off on me getting the G was a tough move so that will be a mainstay for quite some time before I get another "toy". However, if it stayed in the line-up, I'd eventually get one and get a new one.

Just trying to throw out some other angles to the argument is all.

BossHogg · 10-09-2012, 11:29 AM

^^^^ the whole family + kids thing does not matter. That is a variable that is always in the real world and is a choice left to the consumer. I remember when I was a kid, my family would take long ass road trips (mom, dad, little bro and me) in a 1992 240sx SE hatch. That included hockey tournament trips. Now once we got older/bigger, we went through plenty of pathfinders and frontiers. It would be so terribly easy for nissan to market a new a s-chassis. The commercial would have to consist of footage of the history of the S, some road race, drifting, yet still show the "fun" of it in street (factory) trim. Much like they did with the Z. Then show the all new S car......it all solely depends on if they can get the styling and overall build right. It would bring back old, current, and new enthusiasts. I'd bet on it. That doesn't even include the random people just wanting a new a car. I for one, would be on the waiting list. You're dealing with nissan here, they know what they are doing. Then there would be a s13, g35, 350z and new S chassis in my family lol. To bad we sold the z32.

driftsucky · 10-09-2012, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by BossHogg

^^^^ the whole family + kids thing does not matter. That is a variable that is always in the real world and is a choice left to the consumer...

Very true. And most consumers lean towards a car that will accomdate that load.

I think it's safe to say that most of the people on this board would line up for a new S-chassis. I honestly think it would be a nice fresh face in the Nissan line and probably start a regeneration of fun car tuning..especially given that would make 4 (counting the FRS & BRZ seperate) solid affordable RWD coupes and a 3 very capable upper level RWD coupes (G37, Z34, Stang) to feed the need.

Again, I'm not disagreeing with what you're saying. But, just wondering about the more practical business side.

BossHogg · 10-09-2012, 09:46 PM

yea I see what your saying. But look at the Z, its a two seater and they sell like hotcakes. So I'm sure a new entry level sports car WITH a back seat would actually sway some "would be" z buyers into the new S chassis because they now have a rwd sporty car that can, if needed, take the kids to daycare. Full fills the sports car feel. Not to mention, it should be cheaper than a Z.

usdm180sx · 10-09-2012, 11:14 PM

I drove a 370z. It's fun but HEAVY. Lightweight + simple +Turbo = MOST FUN

scottie · 10-10-2012, 07:00 AM

Some of the arguments are a mute point. No one should argue the S chassis is Nissan's breadwinner. Sports coupes will NEVER be a big companies main source of income. They will always be the more practical lines, especially those with low entry level cost. Even back in the 90's when the S13/S14 were produced Nissan sold more Altimas. Nissan doesn't produce a GTR for strong market share. Same with the Corvette, Shelby Cobra, Viper, etc... Companies produce these vehicles because (1) they showcase their abilities & (2) they have enthusiast who will buy it. Subaru knows it will sell 5-10 Outbacks to every BRZ. Why would they still produce it? Because they recognize the market is there for this type of vehicle. Results? I know every single one in Oklahoma was presold for near sticker. The only one I found was an automatic where the buyer backed out last minute. Since numbers are limited Subaru has been very successful going to market. So to me Nissan has no excuse as this type of vehicle is right in their wheelhouse.

OBEEWON · 10-10-2012, 08:08 AM

350Z IS the new 240sx.

Genesis is actually a pretty great car. Will probably buy one at some point, then grow up and buy a Maybach.

***enkei2k*** · 10-10-2012, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by BossHogg

yea I see what your saying. But look at the Z, its a two seater and they sell like hotcakes.

2009

13,117

2010

10,215

2011

7328

2012 YTD *

6099

I'm not sure if you consider these numbers as selling like hotcakes.

markfitz14 · 10-10-2012, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by usdm180sx

I drove a 370z. It's fun but HEAVY. Lightweight + simple +Turbo = MOST FUN

I agree man the Z is sweet but a little heavy. But can putting a 4cyl in lower the weight enough to get close to the FRS weight of 2800lbs?

***dorkidori_s13*** · 10-10-2012, 10:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scottie

Some of the arguments are a mute point.

even a moot one too

scottie · 10-10-2012, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by dorkidori_s13

even a moot one too

I am going to stop posting with Apple products. Auto correct owns me.

DRIFTER-M · 10-10-2012, 01:19 PM

Why do people always question "will anybody here actually spend 25k on a new car" or "who here is actually in a position to make payments?".

Like, DUH - most people probably spend a few thousand yearly simply keeping their abused s-chassis running.

Tis why I bought a 2.0t R-Spec Genesis.

And still had a s-chassis.

Most people with a regular job can afford payments. If Nissan introduced a new S, you bet I would buy it. As would a ton of members here who have grown up.

drift freaq · 10-10-2012, 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bambi

The V6 isn't even that great, it's good, but nothing amazing. A lighter chassis with a presumably higher revving turbo charged 4 cylinder would be funner vs having a light chassis and a heavy ass V6 that likes guzzling gas and cries at the thought of being boosted. Now I'm saying this for this new "leaner Z," I'm not saying the current Z should have a 4 banger.

Wow I am surprised I let this misinformation get by. You really need to check your facts before speaking. The VQ35 has a loaded weight of an SR.
Its not a heavy ass engine. Its trans is indeed heavier but guess what so is a Z32 trans and people love using those off the back of their SR's for its strength. Plus if you do add weight you want it be in the trans as its centered in the center of the car.
Now on to your obviously ignorant boost statements. Truth be told the VQHR engine was built for boosting, pretty much all its revisions make more desirable for boost.
Now the problem lies in the weight of the car its installed in. If the car was 500lbs lighter it would be pretty damn cool and no one would be crying. On top of that its not exactly Gas guzzling. Did you forget our cars came with KA's that average 25 mph? Lucky ones pull 27 mph on the freeway while only pushing 155HP. LOL

The VQ35 will turn in 25 mph on the freeway and around 20 city and is pushing 287 in DE form and 306 in HR form and 337 VQ37 form. Hmm a lot more HP for a little less reliable NA power.

BossHogg · 10-10-2012, 02:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by enkei2k

2009

13,117

2010

10,215

2011

7328

2012 YTD *

6099

I'm not sure if you consider these numbers as selling like hotcakes.

way to go, you forgot 6 more years of production.......2003 son.
2003..... 36,728
2004..... 30,690
2005..... 27,278
2006..... 24,635
2007..... 18,957
2008..... 10,337
2009..... 13,117
2010..... 10,215
2011..... 7,328

Total 350Zs... 149,625 (03-08 models)

Total 350/370Zs ... 30,660 (09-11 models)

Total 180,285

You can add in 2012. Not bad for a car with virtually 0 family use and costs a decent amount in today's standards. Of course the end of years will be declining....most of that market has already bought one in a previous year (it's almost been a decade.....) or will buy a used one. It's just that simple.

driftsucky · 10-10-2012, 05:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DRIFTER-M

Why do people always question "will anybody here actually spend 25k on a new car" or "who here is actually in a position to make payments?".

Like, DUH - most people probably spend a few thousand yearly simply keeping their abused s-chassis running.

Tis why I bought a 2.0t R-Spec Genesis.

And still had a s-chassis.

Most people with a regular job can afford payments. If Nissan introduced a new S, you bet I would buy it. As would a ton of members here who have grown up.

It's not about who is in a position to make payments. It's about who will actually DO it. I meet people in a position to make payments EVERY DAY!!!! Not all of them make those payments..hence, their interest rates are 24.99% lol. Then, I meet other people in a position to make payments and still don't WANT to make payments on their new car. People here 13itch and moan about a 5k S13 or a 9k S14. What would make them buy a 25k Sxx? Just sayin

I think a lot of good points have been made, but the "Z sells like hotcakes" and "members here will buy it" may not be the most accurate statements. lol

Quote:

Originally Posted by bosshog

Total 180,285

Uhhhhhh...yeah. 180k in 10+ years. I mean...I GUESS that's good...right? I mean, for a country..right? And the people from 02/03...wouldn't they have wanted to upgrade by at least 10? The numbers dropped by like 1/3. But...well nevermind. It'll sell.

Quote:

Originally Posted by drift_freaq

The VQ35 will turn in 25 mph on the freeway and around 20 city and is pushing 287 in DE form

on paper. lol. The hwy is pretty accurate, but in the city, without jackassery, I'm closer to 13-16. But, my car is heavy and older so I'm sure that factors in.

Bambi · 10-10-2012, 07:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by drift freaq

Wow I am surprised I let this misinformation get by. You really need to check your facts before speaking. The VQ35 has a loaded weight of an SR.
Its not a heavy ass engine. Its trans is indeed heavier but guess what so is a Z32 trans and people love using those off the back of their SR's for its strength. Plus if you do add weight you want it be in the trans as its centered in the center of the car.
Now on to your obviously ignorant boost statements. Truth be told the VQHR engine was built for boosting, pretty much all its revisions make more desirable for boost.
Now the problem lies in the weight of the car its installed in. If the car was 500lbs lighter it would be pretty damn cool and no one would be crying. On top of that its not exactly Gas guzzling. Did you forget our cars came with KA's that average 25 mph? Lucky ones pull 27 mph on the freeway while only pushing 155HP. LOL

The VQ35 will turn in 25 mph on the freeway and around 20 city and is pushing 287 in DE form and 306 in HR form and 337 VQ37 form. Hmm a lot more HP for a little less reliable NA power.

1. I wasn't referring to the HR.
2A. If an engine was "built for boost" then that would mean it comes boosted. Unless Nissan offers some factory turbo kit option I'm not aware of that the HR was "built" for.
2B. Just say it can handle da boost, bro.
3. Doing 25-27 miles per hour on a freeway doesn't seem okay.

***dorkidori_s13*** · 10-10-2012, 07:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossHogg

way to go, you forgot 6 more years of production.......2003 son.
2003..... 36,728
2004..... 30,690
2005..... 27,278
2006..... 24,635
2007..... 18,957
2008..... 10,337
2009..... 13,117
2010..... 10,215
2011..... 7,328

Total 350Zs... 149,625 (03-08 models)

Total 350/370Zs ... 30,660 (09-11 models)

Total 180,285

the thing i find funny is that in 10 years, the S chassis sold almost twice the amount the Z33/Z34 has

1989 - 68118
1990 - 60582
1991 - 34534
1992 - 27033
1993 - 21471
1994 - 1391
1995 - 25114
1996 - 7334
1997 - 3655
1998 - 2178

Total cars produced from 1989 to 1998: 251410

***dorkidori_s13*** · 10-10-2012, 07:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bambi

3. Doing 25-27 miles per hour on a freeway doesn't seem okay.

honestly, 25-27mpg on the freeway in the 90s for a 2800lbs car that was 2.4 litres is honestly pretty damn good compared to cars today. it takes toyota half the displacement PLUS a battery pack to achieve about 1.5 times the freeway mileage in the prius (which is about 100-150lbs heavier than an s chassis).

Marcus · 10-11-2012, 02:04 PM

sorry this is from the last page, i havent been in this thread since page one.

but

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frank_Jaeger

If you squint your eyes, it's a shoe.

HAHAHAHA

BossHogg · 10-11-2012, 06:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dorkidori_s13

the thing i find funny is that in 10 years, the S chassis sold almost twice the amount the Z33/Z34 has

1989 - 68118
1990 - 60582
1991 - 34534
1992 - 27033
1993 - 21471
1994 - 1391
1995 - 25114
1996 - 7334
1997 - 3655
1998 - 2178

Total cars produced from 1989 to 1998: 251410

Which it should have. It costs less and had more practical everyday use. Pretty much proves what I think, it will sell.

10-07-2012, 11:48 PM	#91
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10-08-2012, 02:57 PM	#92
driftsucky Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: May 2007 Location: Rochester NY Age: 41 Posts: 1,331 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Just a quick question for all of you...and consider this. We (i.e. this forum and gearheads like us) make up a small portion of the market. Sports cars will never be the bread and butter of any company and hence, most manufactures have 2..at best. Also, how many of us will actually be willing to pay for a $25k car...i.e. make payments as well as modifications? All that said, do any of you think Nissan would do well with marketing an S chassis (rebirth) and a Z chassis? Technically, Nissan has 2 sports cars now; the GTR and the Z. Would enough people get behind a 3rd sports car in their lineup? As an enthusiast, I ask myself this question a lot. I work at dealership so I get to see both ends. I get to see manufacturers throw vehicles at the market and I get to see customers come in and ask why wasn't this done or that done, but as an enthusiast, sometimes I ask the same question. For instance, why not bring the Focus RS to our shores? Why just the ST? Is there a market for that vehicle? According to the forums, there is, but when you look at the hard numbers of Evo and STI sales, they barely make a dent in the respective manufacturers product line. Plenty of Lancers and WRX's running around though. Even when looking at Nissan, the GTR doesn't account for a much of their profit margin. IT sold respectively well (and, most buyers on the east coast, anyway, lease it according to numbers), but it is not a cash cow for Nissan. The Altima, Versa, and Cube are really the bread and butter. Even Toyota's Scion line, now with an FR-S. How well does it REALLY do? You've seen them at shows and on our favorite stance and automotive sites, but is it keeping up with the much less expensive and equally as nice tC and xB, neither of which are performance based models, but come well equipped for less money? Just a question because I know most "car guys" never think of the business side of what goes into the cars that companies actually shoot down the production line. __________________ @be_henney kranstogram is full of nonsense and foolishness.

10-08-2012, 09:23 PM	#95
dagger Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Mexico <3 Age: 28 Posts: 448 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	i might sound a little noob-ish, but like why nissan just not produce s13s, s14s, n s15s like on request? __________________ dagger

10-08-2012, 10:17 PM	#99
*dorkidori_s13* ITS LISA'S FAULT!!! Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Las Vegas Age: 39 Posts: 7,332 Trader Rating: (41) Feedback Score: 41 reviews	because some of us are brand whores would like to own a brand new S chassis that requires no mods or work just to make it a "normal" car. there are SOME folks on here who had the opportunity to purchase a brand new one back in the 90s, but the MAJORITY of us have only ever owned someone elses abused entry level sports coupe that we have to pour tons of money into. now dont get me wrong, i LOVE my s13, and i will ALWAYS love s13s (ive only owned 5 of them), but i would happily go into debt to drive one off the lot, brand new, with zero milage, a full warranty, AIR CONDITIONING and zero issues! oh, and the fact that i can take care of it and love it from its humble beginnings. and to answer someones question above about the FRS/BRZ, uh, dood, scion AND subaru cant keep them on the lot, PERIOD! the scion dealership near my work is COMPLETELY pre-sold (aka sold out) until next february. and from my understand, there are quite a few dealerships that have this issue on the west coast (not ALL scion dealerships get them btw, not gonna get into why) __________________ Bought something from me??? POST A REVIEW HERE!!!

10-09-2012, 11:29 AM	#102
BossHogg Zilvia Addict Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: america Posts: 998 Trader Rating: (16) Feedback Score: 16 reviews	^^^^ the whole family + kids thing does not matter. That is a variable that is always in the real world and is a choice left to the consumer. I remember when I was a kid, my family would take long ass road trips (mom, dad, little bro and me) in a 1992 240sx SE hatch. That included hockey tournament trips. Now once we got older/bigger, we went through plenty of pathfinders and frontiers. It would be so terribly easy for nissan to market a new a s-chassis. The commercial would have to consist of footage of the history of the S, some road race, drifting, yet still show the "fun" of it in street (factory) trim. Much like they did with the Z. Then show the all new S car......it all solely depends on if they can get the styling and overall build right. It would bring back old, current, and new enthusiasts. I'd bet on it. That doesn't even include the random people just wanting a new a car. I for one, would be on the waiting list. You're dealing with nissan here, they know what they are doing. Then there would be a s13, g35, 350z and new S chassis in my family lol. To bad we sold the z32. __________________

10-08-2012, 09:52 PM	#96
Nissanman09 Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Alexandria, Louisiana Age: 31 Posts: 12 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Think after i get a 5.0 ill just get a Genesis 4 banger or v6 and use it as a daily.

10-09-2012, 09:46 PM	#104
BossHogg Zilvia Addict Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: america Posts: 998 Trader Rating: (16) Feedback Score: 16 reviews	yea I see what your saying. But look at the Z, its a two seater and they sell like hotcakes. So I'm sure a new entry level sports car WITH a back seat would actually sway some "would be" z buyers into the new S chassis because they now have a rwd sporty car that can, if needed, take the kids to daycare. Full fills the sports car feel. Not to mention, it should be cheaper than a Z. __________________

10-09-2012, 11:14 PM	#105
usdm180sx Post Whore! Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: 562 Posts: 4,807 Trader Rating: (5) Rides Gallery: usdm180sx Feedback Score: 5 reviews	I drove a 370z. It's fun but HEAVY. Lightweight + simple +Turbo = MOST FUN __________________ -Norm!

10-10-2012, 07:00 AM	#106
scottie Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: asluT Posts: 1,287 Trader Rating: (11) Feedback Score: 11 reviews	Some of the arguments are a mute point. No one should argue the S chassis is Nissan's breadwinner. Sports coupes will NEVER be a big companies main source of income. They will always be the more practical lines, especially those with low entry level cost. Even back in the 90's when the S13/S14 were produced Nissan sold more Altimas. Nissan doesn't produce a GTR for strong market share. Same with the Corvette, Shelby Cobra, Viper, etc... Companies produce these vehicles because (1) they showcase their abilities & (2) they have enthusiast who will buy it. Subaru knows it will sell 5-10 Outbacks to every BRZ. Why would they still produce it? Because they recognize the market is there for this type of vehicle. Results? I know every single one in Oklahoma was presold for near sticker. The only one I found was an automatic where the buyer backed out last minute. Since numbers are limited Subaru has been very successful going to market. So to me Nissan has no excuse as this type of vehicle is right in their wheelhouse.

10-10-2012, 08:08 AM	#107
OBEEWON Post Whore! Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Hightened State of Emergency Posts: 6,051 Trader Rating: (9) Feedback Score: 9 reviews	350Z IS the new 240sx. Genesis is actually a pretty great car. Will probably buy one at some point, then grow up and buy a Maybach. __________________

10-10-2012, 01:19 PM	#112
DRIFTER-M Zilvia Addict Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: in my car Posts: 694 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Why do people always question "will anybody here actually spend 25k on a new car" or "who here is actually in a position to make payments?". Like, DUH - most people probably spend a few thousand yearly simply keeping their abused s-chassis running. Tis why I bought a 2.0t R-Spec Genesis. And still had a s-chassis. Most people with a regular job can afford payments. If Nissan introduced a new S, you bet I would buy it. As would a ton of members here who have grown up. __________________ I Love Drifting Thread > Drifting is Stupid thread

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