ineedone

Full Disclosure: I went to a catholic school at one time.

However, I did research on some interesting studies and without boring you I will give you some funny/sad/interesting conclusions.

Pedophiles are drawn to the clergy. There is many reasons, but two stand out. First, it is the belief that God can "fix" their indiscretions. Well, we all know that does not work. The Vatican, for example, has a huge conference to tell its Priests to stop raping little boys (which has not worked... obviously/sadly). Second, the clergy gives them the temptation, power, and control over young minds. They are given the opportunity to do what they want to these children with little to no fear of ever being caught and/or prosecuted (whenever a member of the catholic church is involved in a controversy they get shipped out by the Vatican state for an "internal investigation" which rarely ever leads to anything but the priest just raping children somewhere else in the world in God's name). Now I am not going to go into what happens when a child is molested, but it is a lot worse when they are molested in the name of God (or by someone they see as a spiritual leader). A young mind simply can not process this, which often leads to serious mental disorders requiring hospitalization or serious therapy. Just some food for thought for the bible thumpers!

oh and just in case anyone named Lisa reads this

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2_slow_40

Well, I never said that I was better than anyone else. I wasn't boasting about how often I attend church... That would make no sense here. I was only letting everyone know where I stand, as far as going to church. I never said that just because I go to church, I am right in everything I do. I don't do what I do to impress anyone, I do what I do because it's what I want to do. I fail to see how I am in any way equivalent to a Pharisee. Maybe you can show me the scripture you are refering to, unless I already covered it just now??

I got ya. Believe me, I am not ignorant to the fact that I could possibly be wrong in my beliefs. I am very open minded, and I know the possibilites. This is my logic ("or lack thereof"). I chose to follow Jesus Christ, (as opposed to raptor jesus), because it made the most sense to me. If it turns out that my choice was wrong, so be it... I will humbly accept.
It is impossible to follow every different religion or whatever out there, so it's up to you to choose the one (if any) that you want to 'follow'... I choose to do what I believe is 'the right thing to do'... What makes the most sense to me... What works for me... I understand that what works for one person, doesn't always work for everyone else, which is why there are so many different religions... Right?? So, ultimately, it's a choice that you have to make... Mine being to follow in the teachings of Jesus Christ.

I respect your choice... I don't agree with it completely, but it works for you right?? For me, it's just not enough... You know what I mean?

Well, first of all, I do read my Bible, admittedly not enough, but I do read it. I never said that the "N" word was in the Bible, buddy... (Although it does say, "Don't let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouth").
My point was that you can choose to live your life like nothing will happen after you die, and have no regard for other beings around you, or you can choose to live above the nonscense. It's your choice.

Well, I applaud you for your decency... But, I never said that I, personally, would be a murderer if it weren't for Jesus. I know to be a 'decent person' all on my own. You are just picking parts of my post, and twisting them around in your mind, to make me look bad. Where did I say that my "only reason for not slaughtering all of mankind is "Jesus"."???
Following the teachings and ways of Jesus Christ, has helped me in my life... Not that I would be a murderer if I didn't, but it has helped me in other ways.

Right!!! All you have to do is believe in Jesus...

Look, I never said that believing in Jesus alone will get you into Heaven.
Once again: There you go twisting my words around, just for the sake of having an arguement. So go ahead and re-read what I wrote, and twist it around some more, so that you can have a strong arguing point.

Well, let me ask you this: If you created a being, and the majority decided that they weren't going to believe in you, even though you created them, wouldn't you also be jealous???
And who are you to say that jealousy is a "petty human emotion"??? If God created everything, didn't he also create emotion?

Mikey213

If any one knew how to create a being, which is actually possible nowadays, wouldn't you think they would have the knowledge of realizing all the dynamic outcomes? And who are you to say what is and what isn't, you blasphemous ass clown hahahaha But you know what? You are right in everything you do, down to the secret knowledge of systematically, psycologically, loyalizing' youself to pawnism' and to a higher meaning! So to that my hats off to you kind sir!

2_slow_40

Well duh... Of course they would!!! But don't you think it would be pretty lame to create an entire race, and have them all do the same thing, having no say in what they do... Basically programmed to do whatever you tell them... What's the point???

When did I say what is and what isn't??? I am nobody special, and I know this. What I said, was what I BELIEVE is and what I BELIEVE isn't... There's a difference.

I don't claim to KNOW anything, I explain that I BELIEVE some things.

I am not right in everything I do... I am hardly right in anything I do, but I try my best to be the best I can be. I don't claim to be better than anyone else... I just do what I feel I shouild do.

Mikey213

It's ok, hahahah i understand what you're saying though

ineedone

This is what you said in case you forgot Just saying.... oh and use spell check, spelling words wrong defeats your argument. I do not want you to take this as an attack on you or anything you believe, but, I am going to point out some things in your points that are just... well... not good? First, Unwholesome talk? what is that, please give me the criteria to judge that on (and what century it came from)... If you live your life with no regard, chances are your headed to jail. Seeing as your "God" does nothing to stop them... I am going to stand by my argument that if the only reason you live a good life is because of a book, your problems are more serious than you know.

I was not trying to make "you" look bad, just your argument. Read what you wrote, what you infer is that Jesus = Good, No Jesus = Bad (I do not feel like pointing every inference of that out, but its there...). I truly believe the bible may have helped you through some stuff, just as much as any "self-help" book as helped out anyone who has had issues. I can not truly believe though that without the Bible you would be some sort of nut case. The mind is just not that simple.



The Bible teaches that the ONLY way to have eternal life is through Jesus. Seriously your going to argue that?

I did not say you said all you need to do is believe in Jesus, the Bible says that.... my point is strong, strong like bull.


Uh, this is totally a losing argument to make man. If I created humans, I would be like... Hey guys it was me, then I would point to my crouch and say "OH YEEEEAAHHHH". I also would not condemn people to Hell just because they were skeptical of who I was, that seems a bit extreme, and well... stupid. If God created "emotion" then he also created terrorism (see how I did that... pretty cool huh?) and why would he want to viciously murder the people he created? just for fun? slightly sadistic would you say? That does not sound like a just and loving God to me (I know I am awesome with this).

If you want other instances of just pointless nonsense look at the 10 commandments, are those truly the 10 most important laws of life? Really?

Look, you are not going to "win" any of these arguments, and in the same breath I most likely will not convince you to look at things the way I do. Arguing with me though, will not work out for you. There is no proof on your side, not a single shred of tangible evidence. All there is is faith and a blind belief.

kingkilburn

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spooled240

i think religion is just a product of society to keep people from going ape shit and robbing/killing each other like wild animals

Touge Noob S13

Srlsy, that tired argument? Did you forget about all the athiest dictators in history that killed more people than that in order to gain complete control of the countries they ruled? (As well as trying to elimante religon in those countries)

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kingkilburn

Just because it's been used before doesn't make it any less valid.

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shinobis13hb

ok so i am sitting here in la in the jury room waiting to be called.. im trying soo hard not to LOL all over the place. and witch is odd because they have like 10 computers and give us all FREe wifi... i wonder whos paying for that.. hahah i smell something fishy and its not the person next to me.

Touge Noob S13

It is a rather weak argument assuming that religon is the one thing that is the cause of death and destruction around the world.

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ineedone

Arguably, Atheism is a pseudo religion... I do not, however, know of any one murdering because they are not sure what to believe (Agnostic) though I could be wrong.

ineedone

The only cause, no, but a major cause? Hard to say no to that.

Does God also hate spell check? Why can no one on Zilvia spell...

iHeartTheTouge

I didnt say anything about it being the only thing that causes anything. Just an example of senseless, unneeded violence in the name of "god". That old argument, lol.

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2_slow_40

Well, congratulations to you for finding, and pointing out a single word that I happened to misspell. You are awesome, high five to you.
I was not in any way infering that the Bible said, "Don't call black people the "N" word". Those were 2 different sentences, separated by a ".", that you read together, apparently.
Here you go:
“Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen.” - Ephesians 4:29

That's actually in the Bible, and that's what I was refering to. I believe that if you call people hurtful, disrespectful names, you are in no way "building up others according to their needs". Do you really want me to explain to you when the Bible was written???

And by the way, I already stated previousely, that I don't live a 'good life', just because of a 'book'. I live my life the way I do, because it's what I want to do. Do I really need to explain this again???

And no, God doesn't stop people from doing anything... We have a choice in what we do.


I don't deny this... I never did. This is more or less, part of what I believe.
What's your point???

Then why did you say this:

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Originally Posted by ineedone If your only reason for not slaughtering all of mankind is "Jesus" you need a lot more help.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems to me that you were infering that, if not for jesus, I would be "slaughtering all of mankind"!!!


Correct. I never denied this. The only way to have eternal life, IS through Jesus Christ. When did I argue against that???



Where in the Bible does it say that whether you follow Jesus or not, as long as you believe he lived, you'll go to Heaven???
There's more to it than that sir.




That is your thinking right? You sir, are not God, so that is irrelevant. Everyone is given a chance to believe that God is their creator, and give their life to him. If you choose not to, that's YOUR choice right??? You obviousely know what will happen if you don't... Correct? Soo, basically, you decide whether or not you want to go to Hell... YOU condemn YOURSELF, by the choices you make... You get what I'm saying??


Also, I've said this before: "I think God isn't God, if he fits inside our heads."

I don't claim to understand everything about God, and why he does certain things. We have sooo many questions... The thing is: We aren't really be able to understand God completely, being that we are humans.

Actually, God created the Earth and everything in it... Yes, that means man... Man is unhappy, and turns to terrorist... Man creates terrorism. So yes, in a way, it stemmed from God, but ultimately, it was man's idea.
And like I said before, God's actions upon us, are pretty much in our own hands. Maybe God seems pretty roothless to us, but nothing goes without reason.

Yes, in fact they were. Back before the new testament... Before the Word became Flesh: Jesus Christ.

It's not that I'm trying to "win any of these arguments", (as you clearly are), I'm simply stating my opinion, and where I stand as far as believing in God or not. And no, you will not convince me of anything, nor I you. But the thing is, I am not trying to convince you of anything, so that is also irrelevant. Remember, you first quoted my post, not the other way around... I am simply answering to your arguments against my beliefs.

No physical evidece... Correct. Faith, yes... Belief, yes...

ineedone

I think my answer would be best summed as

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someone else can pick up the slack now

2_slow_40

Ok, I guess you "win" then sir. Good day to you.
I'm done with this nonsence.

ineedone

....see, spelling....

This is what your argument looks like when you can not spell, and or, use proper grammar. In this example I am Anderson Silva, just patiently waiting for you to say (or spell) something wrong. You, Forest Griffin, are desperately punching (or reaching for a point in an argument) that might make sense. Your attempts though, as portrayed in the tasty little video I have embedded, are nonsensical and ultimately you are made to look like a fool.

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Touge Noob S13

I dont either, because agnostics are at least honset enough to admit that humans just dont know anything.
Why cant members with small post counts learn how to multiquote. Im guessing God hates multiquote too, right?

It is one example and I presented another on athiest but I dont think you bothered to read that one.....

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ineedone

No, God does not hate multi-quote, I am just to lazy. However, God does hate people who joined 3 years after me. Welcome to Hell... at least it is always warm!

Touge Noob S13

Oh forgive me almighty ineedone. I didnt know you were the only one who could be lazy, I always thought that anyone could be lazy but I guess if they dont agree with you, they are not allowed. I beg forgiveness!!!!

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ineedone

You are forgiven my son. Have all the whores and drinks you may desire.

drift_limo

thats how I feel.

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kingkilburn

Who claimed it to be the only cause? That is just asinine.

It is a major cause and to shrug off the crusades is rather blind off you.

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kingkilburn

Holy Christ () is there a bunch of nonsense in here.

Just because you can read a book does not mean you come any where near comprehending it.

If you really, and I mean REALLY, read the old testament you would know that Jesus could not have been the Messiah. You would also know that covenant between the Jews and God is not extended to the rest of "Gods children" thus you have wasted your life. If there is a heaven you aren't on the guest list.

Now I will wait for one of two things.
1. You will go read the entirety of the old testament and truly understand it.

or

2. You will come back and spout some nonsense and be called a jackass.








There is so much I could and maybe should say but the jackasses in here are making themselves look stupid enough so I will abstain. . . for now.

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Touge Noob S13

Suicide bombings and the crusades were mentioned. How did I shrug off the crusades?

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I LUV MY S13

so evolution or the big bang didnt happen? cuz i dont see pics of that

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lawrenceyang

thread is a shitfest of jackasses

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