simmode1

^^^Yeah, man... I have no idea how linear the power production is, but damn, that's quite a punch from a 1.6t. I think the 1.8t would be fine. A 2.0t would be great, but I wouldn't be made if that didn't happen.

For all we know, Nissan's small displacement turbo engines just might be overall better and more efficient than Hyundai & Ford because Nissan has almost constantly kept something turbo in their lineup. They've been refining and improving for a long time since the last of the SR's...

exitspeed

OK so when I was there there were no actual Nissan reps to talk to unfortunately. Pretty bummed out. I did talk to the dude at the display and he said that he has gotten almost no negative reactions to the car at the show. That's good news for us. He did say that they told him to say that they are "thinking about having a manual because the people that really was this car would want a manual". He's just a model guy and had no idea about the car so that sounded encourage because I don't think he would have thought of something like that on his own not knowing the market. I also had him go stand next to the car for me so I could see the height. He was 6'1" and it came up to his stomach/chest. It looks TINY in person. It's definitely small and it's not just the pics. I got some more shots of them that I'll post later. Wish I could have got some more info on it.

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holemilk00

Doesn't really matter to me what motor they put in it as long as it manual. I have the money put aside to buy one and I plan to start an LSx swap fund immediately.

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Same here minus the LSx swap.

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simmode1

Yeah, I'm pretty much putting a halt on all 240 car mod purchases and funneling the money into the new IDX fund. I don't need an LSx. Mild turbo bolt-ons should be just fine for me, whether they go with the 197hp 1.6t or the 240hp 1.8t. If the car drops in at around 2800lbs, I just wanna be able to hit 280whp pretty easy. Should be nicely balanced with modern creature comforts.

As for the debate on IDX vs Stinger. Stinger seems AMAZING... on paper. After following Genesis Coupe 2.0t developement and not seeming as many advances as I'd hope, I'm gonna reserve judgement about the quality of that motor.

I mean, having 315hp stock in a car that light is great, but if the turbo is integrated into the manifold like the Genesis, that's gonna piss me off. Plus, I haven't heard of many GC owners raving about the reliability of that engine under power levels to SR's mastered years ago.

Future240

This makes all the difference here. As soon as the price is released I know people will argue "I could build a s-chassis for $$$$ les and make more HP". While that may be true in terms of HP, no S-chassis can stand up to modern comforts.

I know exactly what I want in terms of an IDx "build" from the stealership floor.

2.5L Turbo 4
6-speed manual trans
HID Head lights
Premium Interior, leather dash, stitched seats etc.
Torsen Diff
Nismo suspension (assuming there are options like the different levels of mustang suspension)
Brembo brakes
18" Nismo Wheels.

26k-29k out the door.

One can hope...........

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^^^For the Nismo package, I'd completely agree with that. But I just don't see a 2.5t happening. I hope I'm wrong though.

If they drop the diff, HID's, Nismo suspension, use standard 17" 5x114.3 wheels and a base interior with the 1.6t or 1.8t for $23k on the Freeflow, they'd sell like hotcakes. As long as they don't use multicolored paneled cars in the marketing... I think that's most ppl's hang up...

Where are our photoshoppers? Gimme a bland, all white or silver Freeflow and lets see how it looks. Seeing that white Nismo chop on Miesters next to Broadfield's coupe in the another thread, they looked like close cousins!

Future240

Honestly speaking I would bet it will be 1.8-2.0L. I just want a 2.5.

For the free flow I saw have all what you said minus the turbo and sell it for 18K to compete with the Scion TC. Add the turbo and diff back and go with your price point, FRS/BRZ competitor. Nismo edition at my price point to compete with that FRS Black car and a BRZ premium.


Better yet, they could have it to where you can customize everything on the car.

base model+HId
base model +HID+turbo
base model +Turbo
base model + wheels+HID
base model + seats+HID+turbo

etc. until you get the car exactly like you want.

I could see the drift scene for instance doing base model + turbo+wheels+suspension, since they would swap in a 1.5/2-way diff later on.

Boom. You are welcome Nissan.

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^^^Oh shit yeah... Love it. Base bare bones N/A car at $18k, but can build it all the way up to $29k at the dealer. That would win.

But $18k is Versa/Sentra territory. I don't know if I see the price going that low. Maybe $20k at the lowest for an striped down N/A RS model. All just speculation though.

Maybe jam the 2.5L into the N/A model. It's got 175hp. Nismo gets the 1.6t or 1.8t with 197hp or 240hp....

Corbic

The problem with IDX concept is so much of it is simply "un-produceable".

Production Issues (cost) are going to eliminate many of the cool styling features (like bolt on fenders). I'm sure the Nismo version will have cool glued on fender trim. (Think Corolla S body kit). No fender mirrors, smaller wheels, more wheel/fender gap, single tone paint, etc

The front is a no-go with the DOT and European Pedestrian impact laws, so expect something more rounded. The interior will be in between a FR-S and a Sentra.

I'm still very skeptical on power-train and pricing.

I think the final product will look closer to a Scion TC than many of us want to admit.





With your factory fender flare kit looking like this -



Not going to happen.

A TC is $20k today, you can barely get a stripper high-volume Sentra for $18k. A BASE Civic coupe is $18.5k and Honda sells them by the shit ton and it's heavily platformed shared.

The IDX - If RWD, will be a unique low-volume platform with a unique power-train. Thats a crap load of investment. The only way to control cost would be if they plan to put the future Z and a small Infiniti on the same platform. Even then, all three are nowhere near the volume sellers of compact-FWD coupes and sedans, which all cost ~$20k starting these days.

You are not getting a RWD ~160hp 2,700lb coupe for the price of a Ford Fiesta.

Future240

^Ok same concept applies just bump up base to 20K. Subie can sell the wrx for 25K so I dont see it impossible to sell a turbo IDX for 23K

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To be honest, I don't care. As long as the car as priced about the same as the FRS, weighs about the same as the FRS, is RWD, has a factory bolt-on turbo with a 6spd manual trans.

Everything else is negotiable to me. The Genesis coupe taught me that I'm willing to look past looks if the packaging is right. I trust Nissan enough not to put out a chassis that drives like absolute shit or use a turbo motor that is a ticking timebomb.

Wouldn't be surprised if the trans is made of glass though...

dorkidori_s13

im gonna sit back and play the "wait and see" game. im guessing within 9 months to a year, nissan will be showing a damn near production ready version of the car and something tells me its gonna look super sexy! (count on spy photos of the car around the nurburgring popping up in the coming months)

im gonna make a prediction though, count on nissan showing off the next "near production" concept with a name badge having 3 numbers + the letters SX at the end (if nissan pays attention to what its doing)

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simmode1

^^^Oh fuck... If it came with the 240hp 1.8t and they called it the 180sx, I'd about lose my shit.

Future240

Why? Isn't the Z33/34 trans pretty good? After they reworked it, doesn't the GTR trans hold up good to know?

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I don't think you understand manufacturing or the auto industry.

The WRX is $26k. It can be sold for that price because it's the shares the chassis, platform and power train with the Impreza, STi, Forester, Outback, Crosstrek and Legacy.

Essentially, Subaru's entire car lineup is based around the WRX, or should I say the WRX is based around their line up. The only exceptions being the Tribecca ($35k) and the BRZ. For the BRZ to make financial sense, they had to partner with Toyota.

You can expect, assuming it's RWD, a IDX to start out at 24-25k with the turbo being around 30k if that is how the divide up this car.

From what I've read, you will be getting a RWD 180hp Turbo 28/38mpg car with a CVT and paddle shifters. The nismo version will bring some cool wheels and plastic add ons.

Future240

Actually I understand quite well. Most likely the Idx is going to be based on a shortened platorm of a current model, quite possibly the current Z. We already know the engine is going to be out of the Juke. I highly doubt they would build an entire new chassis, it would not make economical sense with the target market they are after.

If we are aware of the price points they need to hit, you think Nissan isn't? So it is not impossible as I stated.

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if my information from so many years ago still holds up, it will either be based on the FM platform (heavily lightened and shortened), or it will share an entirely new platform with the upcoming Z/G (Q) refresh since both are bowing within the next year given the 370z and G37 are completely at the end of their lifespan.

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Corbic

..A shortened Z34? It would still weigh over 3,000lbs as the Z is build off the heavy Infiniti platform. It would also mean it would handle like crap.


Price point is all based on intended target audience.

A Miata hardtop is $28k.

If you are saying the target is broke 20-somethings, Nissan is up for some fail. Just google "young people" and "Cars" and every article out there for the last 3 years is how Young People Can't/Won't/Don't buy new cars.


Being a retro-car, I can't help but think Nissan is targeting two shoppers.

45 year old Japanese Business men who all had 510's and 86's as teenagers. (Toyota's biggest market with the GT86 is middle aged men).

As well as mid-30 somethings that want something cute and unique, like a turbo-mini Cooper.

Future240

I don't have to guess at the target market. Any Palmer has already stated several times the idx is aimed at younger drivers to get them into cars. He has said the idx will be entry level in cost slotted beneath the Z.

All info points to shortend fm platform or a new platform that is shared by the new Z like dorkdori said. Which is exactly what I said. Why is why a 23k price point is not impossible.

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well its already been stated, the new Z35 is going on a MAJOR diet! so my guess is that theyre ditching all the creature comforts of the Z plus shortening the wheelbase to accommodate producing the IDx in a smaller/lighter form factor.

i know for a fact nissans target weight with the car is 2800-2900lbs. they can get away with a little more weight than the FRS because of the turbo engine. count on power numbers around 200-215hp. its gonna have a little more grunt than the FRS.

also one BIG thing to keep in mind, the FRS is getting a boost in power soon. toyota is shooting for 225-245hp. there was talk of turbo, hybrid or increased displacement in either the refresh or the next model up (this has been stated by Toyota of Japan). my guess is theyre going to give the motor a bump in displacement to get the response the car is known for AND the power it sorely needs. turbo charging the FRS/BRZ would be a pain in the ass ot cram in the engine bay...and hybrid power *rolls eyes* lolz0rz!

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How am I just now seeing this thread?

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240sxcure

I hope they target this weight range when they develop this car. I'm sure they won't seek the low center of gravity that the BRZ has but a low curb weight will make this car enjoyable.

dorkidori_s13

a set of coilovers would fix this immediately

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I expect a t-shirt of this new car in the near future!

dorkidori_s13

well see. i may do one for april/may when the new s14 kouki design comes out.

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simmode1

What makes you say that? There's more ways to do it that running a boxer engine...

Besides, I'd rather have factory boost than the 86's low center of gravity anyday.

Kallixtos

I'm glad this is happening, I wouldnt think Nissan would sit idly while the FRS/BRZ is doing so well.

I'll probably pick one up depending on how it turns out. I'd love the engine the Nismo Sentra has.

simmode1

^^^Ditto. That 240hp 1.8T sounds perfect for the IDX. Kinda right about where the S15 left off from a power to weight ratio standpoint.

I was thinking about possible reasons Nissan might choose the 1.6t over the 1.8t for the IDX and couldn't think of any except that they feel the need to create in the Nismo Sentra a niche vehicle to compete with Mazdaspeed 3, Focus ST, etc...

Compared side by side, I'd think the IDX would carry more value for the brand than the Sentra and thusly, should have the superior engine. But maybe I'm just thinking like a RWD enthusiast. A compact FWD 4 door volume mover like the Sentra probably has far more value to Nissan...

DRIFTER-M

I would love to see what has been mentioned, them launching it with the 1.8t and calling it the 180sx. Brought a smile to my face when a couple of you guys talked about it! Haha.

I too plan to put a down payment as soon as available. I thoroughly enjoyed my Gen coupe, but no where near as much as my S-chassis, so I sold it. I will be ELATED if this car handles like a REAL Nissan sport car. Drool.

Sidenote:
Everybody keeps saying this is purely a 510 revival, but does nobody else see the 1968 Silvia in it?




To me, it looks more like a hybrid of the two cars, that I believe they created to appease both groups...

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