ronmcdon

Speaking for myself, I respect 9/11 because the civilians & servicemen who died were in no way responsible for the questionable foreign policy.
two wrongs don't make a right.

Now if the said victims of 9/11 were executive of say Haliburton, oil companies, politicians, I would be much less sympathetic.

I don't believe anyone 'needs' to respect anything either, that's a matter of choice or so it is on a genuine level imo.

Remembrance can be looked at in different ways, it need not be there for the sake of say rumination or spite.
I don't think it necessarily compromises human decency, or goes to show we're unforgiving.

We could have spent a lot of money better, I'm sure this celebration isn't the most expensive, nor is it worst reason for one.

Apples & Oranges, nobody takes Cinco De Mayo seriously.
It's just another excuse to get drunk.

While I'm tempted to agree, I think it all boils down to politics.
Religion is just an excuse.
Take that away & ppl will find something else to bicker about.
(look at China for instance that goes out of it way to discourage/ban religion)

ESmorz

Indeed, go god and stuff.

I'm the tool box?

I would like to know exactly how much time I waste being a tough guy on Zilvia. Impress me.

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ESmorz

doubles



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upsdude

i'll start by saying i respect our soldiers-for the fact that they've got the guts to go to these hellholes.

That being said, as a regular civilian who punches a clock every day-i'm tired of iraq and afghanistan. I'm frustrated that 10 years later, it doesn't seem like much has changed. sure right after 9/11 we were all gung ho about killing bin laden and wiping out al qaeda...but what happened in the following years? political correctness took over. somehow it's racist to say young muslim men should be profiled in airports...why? youn muslim men are who hijacked the planes.

you've got atheists rights people bitching about a cross at the ground zero, because THEY want representation as well. wtf?

our economy is in the toilet, we've got thousands of men and women fighting for their lives in the mid-east.

that stupid terror alert scale..really? did anyone really take that seriously? and the creation of the TSA...holy shit what a useless bunch of security guard rejects.

if you ask me, al qaeda more than accomplished their goal.

theicecreamdan

and the next one could look like Timothy Mcveigh, Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold. Or it could be an angry black, mexican, indian, chinese, japanese, vietnamese, jew, etc...

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ch1873857

oh yeah. i forgot. everything on the internet is pure true. im not getting into it with you because everyone has their own opinion. but your basing your "facts" of ignorant sources. like i said. if you were over here you would know. and please dont sympathise me. i love what im doing. i support my country. i made my choice. dont pitty me. everyones entitled to their own opinion. all i suggest is dont preach about something you know nothing about and dont sympathise me. i love my job.

ch1873857

first of all thanks. and i understand why it looks like nothing has changed but it really has. you dont hear about it on the news or read it in the papers, but things definately have changed. for the better. i promise. the war in iraq is coming to a close. we havent been there for 10 years in these 2 countries to wipe out al queda or taliban. shit theres more than that, there are the HIG, the Haqqani, among others. We are there to stand up an Army to take care of that. And so far, they are doing a pretty damn good job of it. the armies and police forces that we have trained have saved countless american and coalition lives. if we were here for no reason at all. WHY oh WHY would there be 49 countries joining the mission. El Salvador being number 49. I work along side belgians, turkish, canadian, albanian, bulgarian, korean, and mongolian soldiers. that was the eye opener for me to know that hey, i may not know what it is but we are here for a reason. ever since i have had confidence in my job.

ESmorz

I never said it was, in fact I said the opposite and suggested that the numbers were probably off given the nature of the source. I'm confused as to how you are trying to construe that as ignorant. It was late at night and I wasn't willing to dig around for more sources for a car forum discussion, when in reality it wasn't that far off of what more "reliable" reports have said.

Good, I don't feel sorry for you then. Have fun

Afghanistan civilian casualties: year by year, month by month. Visualised data | News | guardian.co.uk

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jahmias

from oceanside, run into military men quite a bit being that camp pendleton is rii next door. i've heard many stories of the innocent being killed. not by accident.

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S14DB

Mmm... This koolaid is goood. Moved to LOUD NOISES as it seems to have moved onto a debate.

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Otto347

Down here in Florida they are building a 9/11 memorial and asking for more money to get it finished. Going to be upwards of 100k when its done. WHY THE FUCK DO WE NEED A MEMORIAL IN A STATE WHERE THE DISASTER DIDNT EVEN HAPPEN?

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revcyanide

This.




msg lngth

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BustedS13

old people. it'll probably wind up being a 1:1 scale reproduction of the "ground zero cross".

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kingkilburn

I will respect and honor the sacrifice given by those that gave their all as well as the lose of innocent life, all over the world.


Having said that, fuck 9/11 and the symbol of empire it has been turned into. Because a few individuals(best case scenario) decided to do something horrific America gets to go stomping around the world throwing a temper tantrum?

If 9/11 becomes a real holiday I will mark my calendar with the Bay of Pigs, Gulf of Tonkin, Greek Civil War, Cuban Revolution, Korean War, Grenada, the sinking of the Lusitania and every other proxy war and BS call to arms we've had.

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Otto347

I like that, as for the second statement, it is the further pussification of america.

Was just listening to a program on NPR about the money that has been pumped into the "9/11" security shit and it makes me fucking sick.

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