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SochBAT · 05-26-2005, 11:55 PM

Drive faster!

wootwoot · 05-27-2005, 12:46 AM

Subaru is a rwd based platform

ZK · 05-27-2005, 09:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OptionZero

i thought the split on a WRX is even less than 50-50, like 60-40 or something

The normal WRX is mostly front wheel biased so it drives most like a front wheel drive car. They do it like that so normal people don't go spin and kill themselves if the rear end comes out. The STI is a different story.

SilviaNinja240 · 05-27-2005, 10:07 AM

interesting thread, lots of personal opinions though, I'm actually considering a awd car as an option for my next car

AuburnRyan · 05-27-2005, 10:29 AM

Sold my s13 in October last year and bought a '02 a4 3.0 6spd quattro sport - now just bought another s13, and will consider selling the Audi for the same reason...no fun, at least not enough to jusitfy the $400/month payment plus premuim insurance. Got a little oversteer ONCE, I'd love to track it - but
the cheap-o s13 is more fitting/fun for now.

Also, only worthwhile modding option is suprcharger @ $5k

Now- were talking two very different cars here, audi is definately faster, but for my $, I save a ton and have more fun with RWD...but instantly lose the looks/status symbol of the lux car

Not to mention grip/confidence is unbelivable in dry/rain/snow -all conditions really.. very different from the uneasiness I experinced in the 240sx a few times around a wet corner with a little throttle input and hill to throw the weight around.

My $.02 - note I still have Audi...still undecided on sale of it? = Money Pit

MakotoS13 · 05-27-2005, 11:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wootwoot

Subaru is a rwd based platform

CRAP, i just checked a pic of the engine bay and sure enough the alternator is sitting near the nose. i stand corrected. i was confusing it with the evo.

i knew there was areason i liked the scoobies better

wootwoot · 05-27-2005, 11:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AuburnRyan

Sold my s13 in October last year and bought a '02 a4 3.0 6spd quattro sport - now just bought another s13, and will consider selling the Audi for the same reason...no fun, at least not enough to jusitfy the $400/month payment plus premuim insurance. Got a little oversteer ONCE, I'd love to track it - but
the cheap-o s13 is more fitting/fun for now.

Also, only worthwhile modding option is suprcharger @ $5k

Now- were talking two very different cars here, audi is definately faster, but for my $, I save a ton and have more fun with RWD...but instantly lose the looks/status symbol of the lux car

Not to mention grip/confidence is unbelivable in dry/rain/snow -all conditions really.. very different from the uneasiness I experinced in the 240sx a few times around a wet corner with a little throttle input and hill to throw the weight around.

My $.02 - note I still have Audi...still undecided on sale of it? = Money Pit

It sounds like you love German luxuries but still like fast cars and you want rwd. A s13 sounds like a terrible idea to me for you, why not e36 m3?.....It seems pretty obvious to me =)

NismoDan · 05-27-2005, 11:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MakotoS13

CRAP, i just checked a pic of the engine bay and sure enough the alternator is sitting near the nose. i stand corrected. i was confusing it with the evo.

i knew there was areason i liked the scoobies better

That's weird, because I know that Subaru used to make FF Impreza's....
I thought they were all front-wheel based, too...

MakotoS13 · 05-27-2005, 11:32 AM

see the alternator? crank shaft has to line up with it...

***S14DB*** · 05-27-2005, 11:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NismoDan

That's weird, because I know that Subaru used to make FF Impreza's....
I thought they were all front-wheel based, too...

No, they always made AWD cars.

Quote:

Originally Posted by MakotoS13

CRAP, i just checked a pic of the engine bay and sure enough the alternator is sitting near the nose. i stand corrected. i was confusing it with the evo.

i knew there was areason i liked the scoobies better

OMG the ground is getting cold...

drift freaq · 05-27-2005, 11:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Makoto

CRAP, i just checked a pic of the engine bay and sure enough the alternator is sitting near the nose. i stand corrected. i was confusing it with the evo.

i knew there was areason i liked the scoobies better

Quote:

Originally Posted by S14DB

No, they always made AWD cars.

OMG the ground is getting cold...

quick, grab your parka's, Makoto has done the unthinkable

AuburnRyan · 05-27-2005, 12:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wootwoot

It sounds like you love German luxuries but still like fast cars and you want rwd. A s13 sounds like a terrible idea to me for you, why not e36 m3?.....It seems pretty obvious to me =)

Did Look - you're right on target- it's been my dream car since I was 16 (like just about everyone else)...But - that said - I've had 2 s13's (this will be 3), and I found another clean s13 for $2500 - clean e36 m3's start about 15k ("decent" miles and condition)...for now, the choice was easy, but I'm still considering the m3 (e36) if I wan't a payment and the E46 if I win the lotto

.

I do and always have, however, also loved the look/layout of s13 hatch's. I won't be disappointed - just always in the "it needs this next" phase...that's modding cars though

1 point for the subies - Audi is a FWD platform, tend's to understeer when pushed - larger rear sway helps.

wootwoot · 05-27-2005, 01:57 PM

Audi is also a expensive VW, VW is crap. Old Audi, back in the true quattro days was a rwd based layout. F e46 as well, shit is piggy. I've seen cams, full exhaust, and a chip make 265-275whp on a e36m3, so thats the same power of a e46 but with a couple hundred pounds less and none of that dang fangled electronic new age gibirish. You can find them frequently for 10k but I would rather drop the 15k to get one in better condition and all as you said. Just get rid of the Audi, and dont focus on a s13. M3 is enough of an all around car to do it both!

ruthlesstyper · 05-27-2005, 05:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by S14DB

No, they always made AWD cars.

OMG the ground is getting cold...

most of the mid 90 cars were FF

thejester03 · 05-27-2005, 06:44 PM

Ok, heres the way i see it, Keep the car, strip it down, and make it UBER fast, then drive the HELL out of it. That is way fun, i promise.

MakotoS13 · 05-27-2005, 09:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by drift freaq

quick, grab your parka's, Makoto has done the unthinkable

it happens a LOT more than you guys think

IGSDann · 05-27-2005, 10:15 PM

My friend has a 93' Impreza L, Front Wheel Drive. I believe it was only an option 'til 94' in which it became standard. The engine is still mounted in a RWD fashion but only drives the front. Go figure. Do your homework before you make false statements S14DB

***S14DB*** · 05-28-2005, 12:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IGSDann

My friend has a 93' Impreza L, Front Wheel Drive. I believe it was only an option 'til 94' in which it became standard. The engine is still mounted in a RWD fashion but only drives the front. Go figure. Do your homework before you make false statements S14DB

When Did I make a false statement. I said they made an AWD cause he said there were only FF. There were 9 body styles in 1993(Base,L Sedan,AWD L Sedan,LS Sedan,AWD LS Sedan,L Wagon,AWD L Wagon,LS Wagon,AWD LS Wagon). You need to get your facts straight before you try to call me out.

wootwoot · 05-28-2005, 01:47 AM

0wnEd!!!

Var · 05-28-2005, 11:03 AM

are you guys talking about transverse engine mounting? Who cares which way the engine is positioned. On the race track, the Subaru's have a much harder time rotating cause the rear end is too "tight" . The EVO acts more like a RWD as you can pitch is sideways on a corner exit more easily. There are Subaru guys, then there are EVO guys. Then there are guys who hate both Mitsubishi and Subaru but still want to race, and they pick the EVO. These are the guys who's opinion matters.

sandcrawler · 05-28-2005, 03:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IGSDann

My friend has a 93' Impreza L, Front Wheel Drive. I believe it was only an option 'til 94' in which it became standard. The engine is still mounted in a RWD fashion but only drives the front. Go figure. Do your homework before you make false statements S14DB

I'm not sure what you mean by engines being mounted in a "RWD fashion" in a subaru. those are boxer engines, horizontally opposed, not inline or in a V configuration like most cars

Quote:

Originally Posted by westboroughpimp

are you guys talking about transverse engine mounting? Who cares which way the engine is positioned. On the race track, the Subaru's have a much harder time rotating cause the rear end is too "tight" . The EVO acts more like a RWD as you can pitch is sideways on a corner exit more easily. There are Subaru guys, then there are EVO guys. Then there are guys who hate both Mitsubishi and Subaru but still want to race, and they pick the EVO. These are the guys who's opinion matters.

EVOs remain popular in japan because of the ADC and AYC controllers, which are not in the US version of the car. Those assists devices are the only reason why you'd want to buy the EVO over an Impreza. The Impreza has some understeering issues out of the factory, but you can easily upgrade the suspension.

As for the WRC cars, didn't Mitsubishi rank dead last this year? Lowest scoring team, lowest scoring car-- beaten by Ford, Peugeot, Citroen, Subaru, and Hyundai.

zeek · 05-28-2005, 10:30 PM

EVOs remain popular in japan because of the ADC and AYC controllers, which are not in the US version of the car. Those assists devices are the only reason why you'd want to buy the EVO over an Impreza.

Correction the US version of the STI does have something similar to ADC and AYC its called DCCD which alows you to change the bias on the car all the way to 65/35 to 50/50.

US STI is tail happy...

MakotoS13 · 05-28-2005, 11:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sandcrawler

I'm not sure what you mean by engines being mounted in a "RWD fashion" in a subaru. those are boxer engines, horizontally opposed, not inline or in a V configuration like most cars

dude... you gotta be kiddin me. the DRIVETRAIN is RWD based meaning it is set up like a mustang NOT a civic. mitsu has always been FWD based in their awd systems.

i dont want AWD because its more stuff to break. the end.

The Jucx · 12-14-2019, 03:39 PM

I’m on the same boat. But I’d rather ding my Subaru than my S14

collegekid · 12-15-2019, 08:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Jucx

I’m on the same boat. But I’d rather ding my Subaru than my S14

Yeah, you tell him. Almost 15 years later.

Next time, please check the date of the original post (OP).

Kingtal0n · 12-16-2019, 12:40 AM

AWD is shit

'watches initial D for the first time'

AWD is the shit

S14rebuild · 12-16-2019, 05:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Jucx

I’m on the same boat. But I’d rather ding my Subaru than my S14

This thread is from 2005...this has gotta be the oldest bump on zilvia..period! Wtf

[240sx] · 12-16-2019, 08:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by S14rebuild

This thread is from 2005...this has gotta be the oldest bump on zilvia..period! Wtf

Hold my beer....

S14rebuild · 12-16-2019, 08:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by [240sx]

Hold my beer....

Dont you dare do it!

*brndck* · 12-16-2019, 10:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kingtal0n

AWD is shit

'watches initial D for the first time'

AWD is the shit

correction, BUNTA is the shit.

05-27-2005, 12:46 AM	#32
wootwoot Post Whore! Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: sarasota florida biatch Age: 35 Posts: 3,850 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Subaru is a rwd based platform __________________ I'm from Florida so I'm probably a bit more strange than you

05-27-2005, 10:07 AM	#34
SilviaNinja240 Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Shibukawa, Gunma Posts: 1,152 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	interesting thread, lots of personal opinions though, I'm actually considering a awd car as an option for my next car __________________

05-27-2005, 10:29 AM	#35
AuburnRyan Zilvia Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Northern VA Posts: 272 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Sold my s13 in October last year and bought a '02 a4 3.0 6spd quattro sport - now just bought another s13, and will consider selling the Audi for the same reason...no fun, at least not enough to jusitfy the $400/month payment plus premuim insurance. Got a little oversteer ONCE, I'd love to track it - but the cheap-o s13 is more fitting/fun for now. Also, only worthwhile modding option is suprcharger @ $5k Now- were talking two very different cars here, audi is definately faster, but for my $, I save a ton and have more fun with RWD...but instantly lose the looks/status symbol of the lux car Not to mention grip/confidence is unbelivable in dry/rain/snow -all conditions really.. very different from the uneasiness I experinced in the 240sx a few times around a wet corner with a little throttle input and hill to throw the weight around. My $.02 - note I still have Audi...still undecided on sale of it? = Money Pit __________________ '93 Fastback LE - Wrecked '91 Fastback HICAS and LSD - Sold '93 Fastback SE - Current

05-27-2005, 01:57 PM	#43
wootwoot Post Whore! Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: sarasota florida biatch Age: 35 Posts: 3,850 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Audi is also a expensive VW, VW is crap. Old Audi, back in the true quattro days was a rwd based layout. F e46 as well, shit is piggy. I've seen cams, full exhaust, and a chip make 265-275whp on a e36m3, so thats the same power of a e46 but with a couple hundred pounds less and none of that dang fangled electronic new age gibirish. You can find them frequently for 10k but I would rather drop the 15k to get one in better condition and all as you said. Just get rid of the Audi, and dont focus on a s13. M3 is enough of an all around car to do it both! __________________ I'm from Florida so I'm probably a bit more strange than you

05-27-2005, 10:15 PM	#47
IGSDann Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Fitchburg, MA Age: 34 Posts: 427 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	My friend has a 93' Impreza L, Front Wheel Drive. I believe it was only an option 'til 94' in which it became standard. The engine is still mounted in a RWD fashion but only drives the front. Go figure. Do your homework before you make false statements S14DB __________________ Pushing 14.7 PSI of all natural boost!!!

05-26-2005, 11:55 PM	#31
SochBAT Post Whore! Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Abilene, TX Age: 35 Posts: 6,428 Trader Rating: (9) Rides Gallery: SochBAT Feedback Score: 9 reviews	Drive faster!

05-27-2005, 11:32 AM	#39
MakotoS13 BANNED Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Texas Age: 38 Posts: 4,205 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	see the alternator? crank shaft has to line up with it...

05-27-2005, 06:44 PM	#45
thejester03 Zilvia Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: El Sereno, CA Age: 36 Posts: 159 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Ok, heres the way i see it, Keep the car, strip it down, and make it UBER fast, then drive the HELL out of it. That is way fun, i promise.

05-28-2005, 01:47 AM	#49
wootwoot Post Whore! Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: sarasota florida biatch Age: 35 Posts: 3,850 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	0wnEd!!! __________________ I'm from Florida so I'm probably a bit more strange than you

05-28-2005, 11:03 AM	#50
Var Post Whore! Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Norcal Age: 39 Posts: 5,032 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: Var Feedback Score: 0 reviews	are you guys talking about transverse engine mounting? Who cares which way the engine is positioned. On the race track, the Subaru's have a much harder time rotating cause the rear end is too "tight" . The EVO acts more like a RWD as you can pitch is sideways on a corner exit more easily. There are Subaru guys, then there are EVO guys. Then there are guys who hate both Mitsubishi and Subaru but still want to race, and they pick the EVO. These are the guys who's opinion matters. __________________ Hi

05-28-2005, 10:30 PM	#52
zeek Zilvia Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Texas Posts: 261 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	EVOs remain popular in japan because of the ADC and AYC controllers, which are not in the US version of the car. Those assists devices are the only reason why you'd want to buy the EVO over an Impreza. Correction the US version of the STI does have something similar to ADC and AYC its called DCCD which alows you to change the bias on the car all the way to 65/35 to 50/50. US STI is tail happy...

12-14-2019, 03:39 PM	#54
The Jucx Join Date: May 2018 Location: Seattle, WA Age: 29 Posts: 1 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I’m on the same boat. But I’d rather ding my Subaru than my S14

12-16-2019, 12:40 AM	#56
Kingtal0n Post Whore! Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: South Florida Age: 38 Posts: 4,648 Trader Rating: (17) Feedback Score: 17 reviews	AWD is shit 'watches initial D for the first time' AWD is the shit

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