MakotoS13

just because you think it'd be sacriligious for gay folks to marry doesn't make you homophobic. i think its wrong and ya don't see me headin for the hills when a hairdresser walks through office.

Modern Angel

Yeah, and just a few decades ago folks thought it was wrong for black people to marry white people. Does that mean that bi-racial marriages should be illegal then because that's what some people believe? No. The gay marriage thing is just the same. (and you can't say that it's different because the Bible says so... belief in the Bible is just that - a belief. The Bible is NOT the Constitution of the United States no matter how much some people would like you to think otherwise.) How does two gay people who care and love each other so much that they decide to get married affect you? Do they force you to sit and watch them marry? No. Do they force you do anything? No. Hell, Lord knows that probably 90% of the time you wouldn't even know that you were looking at a married gay couple.

This country is founded on freedoms for all people regardless of race, sex or religion. Trying to make something illegal simply because it's what YOUR faith believes forces your belief system onto other people. Do unto others as you would have done unto you. Just as you wouldn't want some Muslim folks passing laws to force your wife to constantly cover her body and face, gay folks don't want to be deprived of marriage rights either.

I know that for some people it might be a hard concept to grasp but, surprisingly, often times your personal beliefs are not the same as other people's beliefs. But, if everyone decides to not be an asshole about it and truly cares about their fellow human beings then it's sometimes possible for everyone to get along peacefully.

__________________

KA24DESOneThree

But the question is... why do homosexuals have to marry? Can they not simply enter a union with all the privileges of marriage just without the name? We're just arguing semantics; rights are not involved here. Who gives a flying crap if a homosexual union is not called marriage? Not the gays I've talked to. They just want equal rights and the ability to be recognized as more than boyfriends or girlfriends.

RJF

Bush-hater Michael Moore is registered to vote in two states, which is illegal.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0628041moore1.html

__________________
Zilvia.net...Where the Truth Hurts and Pain Builds Character

ThatGuy

I have no problem with Gay Unions. I'll gladly vote for them as soon as 1 Women impregnates(sp?) another, or a homosexual male gives birth. Until then it will still be wrong in my mind. It's not a matter of the Bible saying it wrong, it's a matter of natural selection.

__________________
"Speak softly,..." -Pres. Teddy Roosevelt
"Be polite, be professional, ..." -Gen. James Mattis

RedlineRacer

Do you not realize by now that Kerry will say anything to get elected. Whatever the american people want to hear, then he will support it.

Phlip

Now that I think about it, I went to High School, played baseball with this kid name Michael Moore all those years ago... I bet Mike registered to vote too... I bet there is no less than 10 individuals named Michael Moore Registered to vote in EVERY state (except Alaska and Hawaii, but they don't fuggin count anyway)


And while I will somewhat concede that what you say is correct, I will say that I am open enough to allow anyone to practice whatever it is they do however they see fit. I ain't gay, muslim, democrat or republican, but make room for the rules of subjectivity... I have MY reasons and will assume that anyone on earth has enough of a conscious mind to know what they like or how they choose to live. If gays wanna marry, let em marry, fuck it


Do you realize by now that Bush will say anything to scare the american people into NOT voting for Kerry. Whatever Kerry says is a compromise to the "libel campaign against malicious intent"

__________________
And I write too!

mrmephistopheles

HAR.
The director Michael Moore (that one guy.) is registered to vote in two states. He's not talking about separate Michaels Moore.

__________________

Phlip

Prove it

The message you have entered is too short. Please lengthen your message to at least 10 characters

__________________
And I write too!

mrmephistopheles

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0628041moore1.html

Eat me.

__________________

elevator

FastBack 240

Michael Moore is a joke and it sucks that he has to live so close to me.

__________________

elevator

I agree, but that would go for being on the same planet! I'd would like to be alone with the bastard for about 15 minutes.

sykikchimp

I swear.. why the hell does every political discussion I read end up talking about Michael fucking Moore..

I'm going to kill him just so I don't have to hear his pathetic name anymore.

RJF

Iraq update....the real truth from a soldier

http://www.loveourtroops.us/whatloveourtroops.htm

Support our troops!

---------------------------------------------------------------
Meanwhile......

Babies found in mass grave......

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3738368.stm

__________________
Zilvia.net...Where the Truth Hurts and Pain Builds Character

Phlip

Because Michael Moore hates America because he wants people to not vote for Bush... He wants us to lose the libel campaign against malicious intent and for that he is a communist, haven't you been reading this thread that should have died a week ago? I'm disappointed in you Charlie.

... not that any of this will matter, Skeletor is mad that someone let the cat outta the bag (pun intended) about his daughter being gay. He will soon see to it that the world ends as a result of the embarrassment rendered to his family as a result.


Read that, I am exercising my right to skepticism, I need authentication of this claim.

__________________
And I write too!

FastBack 240

Great Vid RJF.

__________________

sykikchimp

I could make a vid just like that except with men walking down the street with machete's and machine guns threatening to kill people for voting.

....you take the good with the bad.

RJF

Cheney's daughter was not outed by Kerry or Edwards (in the VP debate), but by bringing that into their responses to questions, it was a blatant attempt to embarass the Vice President and to try and send a subliminal message to the ultra-conservatives in the Republican party... "Cheney has a gay daughter...how can you support him....Vote Kerry"

No matter what Kerry/Edwards say, it's all politically motivated to get votes.


Now they're starting to plan "pre-emptive" attacks to claim voters being stopped from voting.

http://rockymountainnews.com/drmn/el...256347,00.html

Anything to get their power back.

__________________
Zilvia.net...Where the Truth Hurts and Pain Builds Character

KA24DESOneThree

Read this editorial:
"An Edwards Outrage

By Charles Krauthammer
Friday, October 15, 2004; Page A23

After the second presidential debate, in which John Kerry used the word "plan" 24 times, I said on television that Kerry has a plan for everything except curing psoriasis. I should have known there is no parodying Kerry's pandering. It turned out days later that the Kerry campaign has a plan -- nay, a promise -- to cure paralysis. What is the plan? Vote for Kerry.

This is John Edwards on Monday at a rally in Newton, Iowa: "If we do the work that we can do in this country, the work that we will do when John Kerry is president, people like Christopher Reeve are going to walk, get up out of that wheelchair and walk again."

In my 25 years in Washington, I have never seen a more loathsome display of demagoguery. Hope is good. False hope is bad. Deliberately, for personal gain, raising false hope in the catastrophically afflicted is despicable.

Where does one begin to deconstruct this outrage?

First, the inability of the human spinal cord to regenerate is one of the great mysteries of biology. The answer is not remotely around the corner. It could take a generation to unravel. To imply, as Edwards did, that it is imminent if only you elect the right politicians is scandalous.

Second, if the cure for spinal cord injury comes, we have no idea where it will come from. There are many lines of inquiry. Stem cell research is just one of many possibilities, and a very speculative one at that. For 30 years I have heard promises of miracle cures for paralysis (including my own, suffered as a medical student). The last fad, fetal tissue transplants, was thought to be a sure thing. Nothing came of it.

As a doctor by training, I've known better than to believe the hype -- and have tried in my own counseling of people with new spinal cord injuries to place the possibility of cure in abeyance. I advise instead to concentrate on making a life (and a very good life it can be) with the hand one is dealt. The greatest enemies of this advice have been the snake-oil salesmen promising a miracle around the corner. I never expected a candidate for vice president to be one of them.

Third, the implication that Christopher Reeve was prevented from getting out of his wheelchair by the Bush stem cell policies is a travesty.

George Bush is the first president to approve federal funding for stem cell research. There are 22 lines of stem cells now available, up from one just two years ago. As Leon Kass, head of the President's Council on Bioethics, has written, there are 3,500 shipments of stem cells waiting for anybody who wants them.

Edwards and Kerry constantly talk of a Bush "ban" on stem cell research. This is false. There is no ban. You want to study stem cells? You get them from the companies that have the cells and apply to the National Institutes of Health for the federal funding.

In his Aug. 7 radio address to the nation, Kerry referred not once but four times to the "ban" on stem cell research instituted by Bush. At the time, Reeve was alive, so not available for posthumous exploitation. But Ronald Reagan was available, having recently died of Alzheimer's.

So what does Kerry do? He begins his radio address with the disgraceful claim that the stem cell "ban" is standing in the way of an Alzheimer's cure.

This is an outright lie. The President's Council on Bioethics, on which I sit, had one of the world's foremost experts on Alzheimer's, Dennis Selkoe from Harvard, give us a lecture on the newest and most promising approaches to solving the Alzheimer's mystery. Selkoe reported remarkable progress in using biochemicals to clear the "plaque" deposits in the brain that lead to Alzheimer's. He ended his presentation without the phrase "stem cells" having passed his lips.

So much for the miracle cure. Ronald D.G. McKay, a stem cell researcher at NIH, has admitted publicly that stem cells as an Alzheimer's cure are a fiction, but that "people need a fairy tale." Kerry and Edwards certainly do. They are shamelessly exploiting this fairy tale, having no doubt been told by their pollsters that stem cells play well politically for them.

Politicians have long promised a chicken in every pot. It is part of the game. It is one thing to promise ethanol subsidies here, dairy price controls there. But to exploit the desperate hopes of desperate people with the promise of Christ-like cures is beyond the pale.

There is no apologizing for Edwards's remark. It is too revealing. There is absolutely nothing the man will not say to get elected."

Yeah, it's long. But if I didn't copy/paste, you wouldn't be able to see it at all.

Oh, by the way, Moore is the guy who said, "The dumbest Canadian here is smarter than the smartest American." and "The dumbest Brit here is smarter than the smartest American." He also said, "F*ck small businesses, f*ck them all."

sykikchimp

simply one of 54-quintillion such partisan editorials on either candidate. I could post up similar negative stories on Bush, but it would only serve to lengthen an already painfully close minded debate.

And for the Comment on Cheney's daughter being a lesbian, that is absolutely ludicrous. It sounded to me as if Dick, and his wife were outright ashamed of their daughter. Like saying.. "Bush understands what it's like to have a daughter, ..who is white..," and bush responding that it was blaspemous to say such a thing. It's just more of the right-wing OMG GHEY!?!?!: GET AWAY FROM MEEZZ!!!111 SICKO! You would have thought he called her a pedofile, or a rapist. WTF?! Being gay is not a sensitive subject in this day and age. It's a fact of reality. Learn to live with it, or STFU.

Kerry was not attacking Bushes far-right wing. He was reeaching out to the gay community saying, "I will not forake your rights."

KA24DESOneThree

Wrong. This points out the truth. Kerry and Edwards are claiming, through some bizarre logic, that people will magically be cured by their election. In reality, they don't have the answers. There are stem cells up for grabs even now. They're just selling some magic panacea, contents unknown.

By the way, Kerry and Bush have the EXACT SAME STANCE on gay marriage: they're both against it. Kerry just doesn't support a Consitutional amendment against it. Kerry and Edwards are playing politics by bringing out Mary Cheney's name and trying to convert those who don't know about the Veep's lesbian daughter to the Dems' side. They're trying to point out "OOH OOH HYPOCRISY!!! OOH OOH!"

sykikchimp

Who the hell doesn't know that Cheney's daughter is gay? EVERYONE KNOWS. HE SAID IT HIMSELF.

citizen

all of this only shows how messed up our government really is. lets get back to the basics, vote for the constitutionalist party.

chokudoriS13

Actually, its only American cars that are stuck in the 50's... There are plenty of Russian LADA, GAZ and Moskvitch variants all over Cuba and lots of European imports. Many of the American cars are actually powered by engines that came out of Russian imports (due to the embargo, obviously). I can only imagine how slow a '57 Chevy must be with a Fiat-derived Lada 4-banger pumping out 60hp on its best day ...

__________________
S13/86/Miatas/DR30/MX83/E36 M3/S60R/E30 M3 -gone!
Now: Porsche 993/MK6 GTI

mrmephistopheles

Ever seen LADA drift videos? CRAZY.

__________________

elevator

Yep Bush is Bullshiite, but guess what...anyone in the country who thinks that is outnumbered.

What he thinks....

240Stilo

Haha...Why did you bring this one up? As stated before everybody thinks they're right so it will go on forever.

__________________
-Juan