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Old 03-22-2010, 12:30 AM   #31
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True, but there are going to be HUGE subsidies for poor (lazy) asses who can't afford insurance on their own.

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To pay for the changes, the legislation includes more than $400 billion in higher taxes over a decade, roughly half of it from a new Medicare payroll tax on individuals with incomes over $200,000 and couples over $250,000. A new excise tax on high-cost insurance policies was significantly scaled back in deference to complaints from organized labor.
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Isn't a Republican by the name of G.W. Bush that got us here?

It's the Bush family's choice to screw the nation, and NOT our right to let it happen?
It's ignorant statements like this that make me sick over the state of our country.


On an unrelated note, you can't make the weak strong by making the strong weak. This boils down to redistribution of wealth, and that never has worked in the whole of modern history.
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i'm with freaq on this one...one more entitlement that will be mismanaged and abused. no one seems to consider the following dilema: where are we gonna get qualified doctors to treat the 16 million+ people who just got their free healthcare? it's bad enough as it is trying to schedule an appointment.
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All i know is i will now have health insurance under my parent plan until i am 26. I havn't had insurance since i was 21, and i have wisdom teeth that need to be removed pretty bad.
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so what happens to insurance companies?
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so what happens to insurance companies?
They pretty much get raped. Extending coverage to those with pre-existing conditions is not fair. As cruel as it sounds, that is not the point of health insurance. They are more or less being boxed in so that they cannot make profits. They are going to be taxed into oblivion. HOWEVER, I do agree with the new law stating they cannot drop people who contract expensive illnesses.
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Resolution to save America and it's health care:

1. Make it illegal to outsource to other countries
2. Make it legal for illegals to work, Make them pay taxes.
3. Stop the war on Illegals, because it's wasting money and doesn't work, I see them every day passing by Homedepot.
4. Stop the war on drugs, because it's wasting money and not working.
5. Stop bs'ing about Global Warming, it really doesn't matter because I'll be dead if it was true, and if you have kids, well, sue Trojan.
6. Make felons pay off their debts to society by making them build more highways and drift courses and mountain roads.
7. Give poor people health care parts but ONLY Chinese parts, Save the good JDM parts for people who can afford it.
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All i know is i will now have health insurance under my parent plan until i am 26. I havn't had insurance since i was 21, and i have wisdom teeth that need to be removed pretty bad.
Umm, lol. Its NOT gonna kick in this year bud. You better get that checked out soon.
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Resolution to save America and it's health care:
I seriously hope you are kidding about all of that, because I can't tell.
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As long as Uncle Sam is giving out free shit, people are too ignorant to care.
you're 100% right...little life story about people who use the gov drain it
These freaking neighbors i got that live next door. Ghetto ass people playing music all times of the day&night( sometimes ) like its the projects at my house.. I don't know how then can afford the rent here( $1700+light and gas ) but they must be on section 8.

For who don't know what's section8= where the state/city pretty much plays 40-60%of your rent. Which is nice for some people who really need but others dont. best part its nice on tax payers wallets like myself. Left my house this afternoon to go to work,there playing music inside the house loud and outside while they're messing some car( car radio is blasting ) and just chillen smoking weed. while kids( kid bro and step sister) are playing outside.


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yeah drug war may not bring drugs to a hault, but it surely slows it down
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Health care should be like auto parts.

They should make basic heath care like cheap or free, if you have money you can upgrade.

For instance basic health care would be like Free Cracked dash, it works, it's not great but it does the job. Upgrade to those who can afford it, a dash mat, or even a clean dash, and ballers can Flock it or wrap it in suede or leather.

So you don't have to get all angry, it's just a cracked dash. ~
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what's with punishing the rich? i know they're easy targets right now because of the wall street bullshit and all...but seriously how is it fair to target people who are successful? Obama turned out to be another slick talking snake in the grass politician. i still don't get why there's legislation regarding student loans in this bill-it's got nothing to do with healthcare.
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^^How do you punish the rich? Oh, you can't have 2 Ferrari's, only 1! That will punish you.
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this is great. i'm excited.
i've never understood why people do not care about their fellow man.
The problem is that when convincing people to care doesn't work, people like you want to force them to care.

America is about free choices. Forcing citizens to purchase a product they dont want goes against everything this country stands for: free will.
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It's ignorant statements like this that make me sick over the state of our country.


On an unrelated note, you can't make the weak strong by making the strong weak. This boils down to redistribution of wealth, and that never has worked in the whole of modern history.
It's greed and power that is ignorance that blinds people and it is the downfall of many societies. So, let's not stop strong Hitler and let the weak jews fend for themselves.

Because not checking the balance of power will lead to WW3. That is why the US checks Korea and China, but once the weak become stronger it will repeat the whole cycle again. Just people with money don't want to give it up, shoot, if i was rich I wouldn't either.
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And if you live in America, you should just shut up all together.

People in other countries wish they were the homeless' of our country.
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one thing i absolutely despise about this bill: you HAVE to have insurance or else you can be fined...starting at $325 a year. unbelievable.
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you guys could probably get a group rate on plane tickets to canada. give me a date, i'll help look
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USA is supposed to be a capitalist country and the competition of profit is the motivation for labor. This healthcare bill reeks of socialism and supports laziness.

Wasn't the cold war the USA fighting against socialism and here we are becoming more and more what we hated so much.
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Just trade medical procedures for JDM parts.

Trades welcome:

Looking to trade my Kidneys for a KADE. I will install the kidney for free.
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what's with punishing the rich? i know they're easy targets right now because of the wall street bullshit and all...but seriously how is it fair to target people who are successful? Obama turned out to be another slick talking snake in the grass politician. i still don't get why there's legislation regarding student loans in this bill-it's got nothing to do with healthcare.
Dude. It's all about class warfare. the poor want to blame the rich for their problems. Even the the vast amjority of wealthy folks worked hard for what they have. Typically these are business owners that will inevitably slash salaries or layoff workers due to increasing taxes.

This will all trickle down in the end. Go ahead and tax those that make over $200k. Tax your bosses and see how long your salary or job lasts.

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Wasn't the cold war the USA fighting against socialism and here we are becoming more and more what we hated so much.
what our parents and grandparents were told to hate.
you're allowed to change your mind

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Just trade medical procedures for JDM parts.

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Looking to trade my Kidneys for a KADE. I will install the kidney for free.
both or just one?
three kidneys here i come
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what our parents and grandparents were told to hate.
you're allowed to change your mind

p.s. libraries schools firemen police men lol

Fire-person, and police officer. To be correct. Sexist!
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Jesus Christ! Would you fucking shut up about the car parts already. It wasn't funny the first time and it isn't funny now.
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Jesus Christ! Would you fucking shut up about the car parts already. It wasn't funny the first time and it isn't funny now.

Damn, you need anger management. I hope that's included in the Health care bill. RELAX! It's the internet, it ain't real. And Seattle has the highest suicide rate due to the vast amounts of rain.
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