240XTC

For sure man. Post some vids of your progress!


As for (fckillerbee) now that I'm done with the subject at hand: Im not going anywhere. Sucks huh? Ha ha. This is America jack. Get used to it.

I'm Eddy, what was your name?

CrazyRob

ha ha ha ha. youre so cool bro. you must be a sick drifter with so much respect for people trying to actually help the op. i bet you have crazy original style... thats why you rep "youdrift" so hard... Seriously, this thread is dumb. you are ignorant and are probably learning japanese so you can read option mags because you dont have enough common sense to figure drifting out for yourself.

op- good luck, get on the track. track time is seriously worth it. seriously. ive done all of the dumb and illegal shit you can think of. track surface is better prepped so u go through less tires, you dont have obstacles and police, no pressure to look cool, and most importantly you'd have more experienced people around you to help you out. track time or bust since you made a thread as dumb as this one (no offense).

style has absolutely nothing to do with learning. style is the last thing you will develope. develop all of the other skills for drifting and get completely comfortable using them... then youll be capable of showing style. otherwise what youll think of as style, others will think of and an over-use of a technique because you cant smoothly transition from technique to technique

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fckillerbee

yes eddy, i am aware of your ignorant posts. And your "photoshopped" fake website. My name is David, so you can add me to the "hate list"...just put me next to Eric Castro, as him and I have almost Identical views.

See, its not you personally that bothers me, its the lack of effort that you put into things that destroys a community forum like this one.

You go around, posting half assed responses, with no real thought. I'm sure you have posted answer to questions with "i think, or i'm 90 percent sure"....but see...the problem lies there....if you don't know, don't post shit that can confuse the next person trying to get info.

See, I am a drifting instructor, I have been for two years now. I have taught people like teddy from mulsanne, and even given Karl Wasabi tips on his rb20 when he learned how to drive it. I also compete in amature events like the one's Jeff Abbott and Mike Essa were in before they got pro licenses.

So my opinion on driving, "in my opinion" should be held higher than a fanboy drifter that slides the car out around corners on the street. Oh, im sorry, you have probably been to adams, so that means you have been on a real race track....adams is, and forever will be a go kart track, not saying you can't drive on it, but its not in the same league as any amature or pro track.

So for every post that you make (unknowledgeable) I will make it appoint to the op, that you are ignorant, giving mis-information. Like your best friends that drive the bmw's on adams....clearly that was real.

Eddy, enjoy zilvia, we enjoy the laughs.

I look forward to your witty teenager comeback. Thank you.

-David

fckillerbee

fyi...drift n dragg is also one of my friends. Welcome to zilvia "Bra". And don't bother going on socal-drift.com....you won't last long there either. and if you are, congrats...whats your sn? i'll make sure you have a good time there too.

240XTC

-Lol. Nice to meet you David. Curious to know who you were Im suppose to hide because of your friends now right? lol.

-CrazyRob, Do you usually piggy back on peoples conversations like others?? Lol. Have fun as well buddy...




Stay on the subject and help the OP. Not my fault I was never speaking to both of you and you girls got on me..ha ha..

fckillerbee

that was it?.....like I was expecting some big douche answer, and that was all you came up with?

please don't hide, you are a perfect example of what to avoid on a forum....the more you post, the less credible you become. So have at it.

As for crazyrob, he is just like everyone else on here...we don't want to see bullshit....and you...are bullshit. So your ignorance can't be avoided, so like myself, we attack the virus, and you are a virus, infecting zilvia with bad information. Maybe you will learn to not give people wrong information...but from what I get, you are a child. Because the only thing you saw in my entire fucking post, was the attack on yourself....hmm...go figure.

stay out of these threads if you can't contribute "real" information.

240XTC

Lol. Hey I asked one question. What was your name, not my fault you replied with a story.

ha ha... but nice to meet you David. Take care of your self.


Just stay on subject and dont turn this into anything other.

Mk2Roo

watch out for cops when u practice i got caught and the cop called it wreckless driving and it cost me 610 dollars it was bs bc it was n the rain fucking pig

fckillerbee

umm....drifting in the rain on city streets is reckless. Your lucky he didn't impound your car.

240XTC

Yeah, try to go on the track if you can. I don't condone doing it on the streets but I can't and don't hate on it either.



-other than that, any updates OP??.... I'm itching to see what technique worked for you

udon!

Hahahahaha

fcdrifter20

where you doing it in an open space where you couldn't harm others?? or on residential streets? The cops was most likely just doing his job

and its funny how ppl talk shit and call cops pigs and what not..I bet if someone put a gun to your head, or stole your car, or broke into your house, i bet you wish a "fucking pig" was there to stop them...

fckillerbee

I second that note.

240XTC

We need cops/pigs. It's just some of them slam you into the hood harder then they're suppose too.

Probably had a bad day.

PoorMans180SX

You're so hard bro.

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pacotaco345

Okay.. so back on topic I guess, umm I think I'm kinda late on this but I am by no means a very skilled driver, and I've never practiced drifting in a parking lot or a track but I've had a couple real scary moments with accidentally putting the car into 2nd instead of 4th mid corner, and ended up pretty much drifting through the turn for my life lol. The rule I go by tho is when in doubt both feet out (off all pedals) when in spin both feet in (brake and clutch).. That might not be as technical as some of these other responses but its simple and I hope it helps.

fckillerbee

locking up the brakes only makes the car slide farther...if you are in a spin, just hope you don't crash into anyone else on the street lol.

CrazyRob

when i am sliding toward something and i want to get rear grip i push in the clutch. when i spin out i keep the rear rotating around by keeping the rear tires spinning. if someone spins out in front of me and i need to get around them i turn in, ebrake, then turn out once the rear locks so i can straighten my line up around them. when i am coming up short on a turn i ebrake. when i am coming out of a turn too hot i clutch in and let the steering wheel loose until the front and rear are pointing on the line away from the exit then grab the wheel as it straightens but not past center and let the clutch out drag launch style to allow the rear to push the car and change direction from drifting to gripping. sometimes if im coming waay too hot out of a turn ill intentionally spin the car out to keep things safe. if im in a situation where i can predict understeer i will ebrake if im on the right line or if im on the wrong line i will clutch kick and spin the car out. if i am tandeming with someone and i need to get on their door while about to speed up on the line i will left foot brake. if i am tandeming with someone and i need to get on their door while about to slow down, i will ebrake to keep the rear rotating and have my right foot ready to get on the brakes incase they slow down more than predicted. when i transition i clutch in right before crossing over center then release it when my front tires are directing the car on the right line to allow the rear to grip and make the weight transition smoother and overall faster. when i transition i let off the gas right before crossing over center to allow the rear to grip. using this last technique can be faster in situations where the vehicle speed is very close to the wheel speed, otherwise the clutching technique on transitions tends to be faster because the rear weight shifting and overall vehicle line shift happens faster. usually i have 2 hands on the steering wheel but if im about to transition i will be ready to ebrake or spin the wheel faster with my spare hand incase the weight shifting happens too rapidly. i tend to spin the wheel faster than it naturally wants to spin while naturally countering to keep the front grip ahead of the weight shifting.



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Perfect Balance

This. Again. It's stupid to take advice from people who don't know the physics behind what's going on. I've already said everything I could say, but it's just annoying coming in here and reading people's accounts on "what they do" when the car is sliding ( Like the post above mine. I glanced through the clusterfuck of writing and saw "in a situation where I can predict understeer." THAT"S THE PROBLEM. You understand how it works, you can predict understeer because you understand what the car wants to do. The OP is missing this, he doesn't know what the hell the car is going to do, so he just watches what it does and reacts accordingly, which is too late.), instead of what actually needs to be done, and why it does what it does. You're not going to find the help you need here, go to an event, and ride with someone who knows how this works, instead of just someone who has done it enough times to do it well. You'll learn quicker.

Using the posts in this thread to learn how to drift is like trying to learn how to read a different language by memorizing how certain words look, instead of learning the letters individually so you can apply it to everything and be able to read any word in said language.

I've spun out drifting a total of maybe 10 times ever, and I've epically understeered about 5. The other times have always ended up in a drift, whether it was a good one or not, simply because I've read up on suspension geometry, racing lines, slip angles, lsd's, physics, things like that. In my mind I understand why the car does what it does. When I go into a corner and the car starts to understeer, I know why, and I understand what I need to do as far as braking, weight transfer and steering to counter it. If you know how it works, you can apply it to any situation and always make the car do what you want.


Learn to walk before you try to run.

Although honestly, you don't seem like the kind of person that would bother doing that, and rather just keep at it until you slowly start getting somewhere, and just chipping away at that, getting closer and closer until eventually you can decently do it.

CrazyRob

^ true story

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ericcastro

Good read, thanks guys.

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The_Doctor

Wait wait wait...so you were "practicing" and a cop saw you "practicing" so he gave you a ticket for it, now he must be a douchebag pig for doing his job trying to protect the public from idiots like you.

Hmmm, I will keep that logic in mind and flip out on the next person just trying to do their job to the best of their ability.

Oh, and to the O.P...you need to get off the internet, stop reading up about things and take a very pragmatic view of physics/car behavior.
Go to a parking lot (since events seem to be taboo for you), initiate a drift and just let go of everything and see what the car does. Keep adding things each try to just observe how the car reacts to it.

You asking people on an internet forum how to drift and rejecting their advice on getting seat time in a safe environment is just foolish. It is like asking how to shoot a target properly but rejecting people telling you to just shoot the damn target.
"Oh...I want to learn to drift but I can't afford it"
Answer: First learn how to afford it.

Kids like you make me sick.

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CrazyRob

^true story

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fckillerbee

this is the best!

CrazyRob

^true story. that is honestly the biggest part of drifting in my opinion.

240XTC= pinked.... lol

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fckillerbee

lol yeah I saw that. all his complaining...this is a forum, not a fucking corporation....he thinks people care about what he says. lol wrong. they can pink you, ban you, fuck you for whatever reason.

xs042lol

well guys, All star bash is coming to wisconsin on saturday. im going and taking my helmet

i don't street drift. i've dont it in a parking lot 3 times and that was it. I don't get to practice, oh well, but i don't do stupid shit either. Thats out of the question.

The next track day is july 24th, ill be going out to drift there and see what it can do for me

as for all the drama in this thread, please cut it out. If you're not going to help me or give me smart ass replies, then dont post.

I know this thread is pretty useless in terms of actually helping me, but advice is advice and with it all taken into account im sure i can work on my reaction times and what not. Had it not been for this thread i wouldnt know what to read up, thanks to who ever said that!, i would not know how much drama 240xtc has against every1 else lol, and i wouldnt know that maybe its just me not acting fast enough. Thanks to you guys, this thread is dead now so just lock it... I'll practice, and if i need help ill ask some1 via pm is thats cool


Thanks n take care
xs042lol (chiboy mofos! LOL)