Var

there is NO WAY IN HELL i got to do 40 runs on the racetrack, and in all fairness, you CANNOT count runs on the skidpad or "mini-course". those were a waste of time, tires and gas and they last like 20 seconds. then you get to do 2 donuts around a cone *yay*.

and if you wouldnt mind sharing, how much does it cost to hold an event like may 30th?

edit: i'll give it up to you guys for trying and by no means am i saying i got ripped off,and even though i crashed my car i would do the whole day again, except i would just keep running on the track until i got kicked out. and the competition took away from everyone's track time, everyone would have got to race for like 90 more seconds.!!

edit again: am i being unreasonable for expecting so much? i guess i'm just thinking of buttonwillow..it's 4 hours away but for 120-150 bucks you can race on a real racetrack(not oval) and people say by the time noon rolls around you are tired of driving. And there are only 20 people or less. We need events like this closer to the bay..

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if ncda could squeeze 3 outings (each group run big & small course 3x) that would be awesome!

Krazy Bunta

westboroughpimp, I'd like to keep things on a positive level, and therefore feel I cannot continue this discussion. You seem to be extremely upset about something we did.

I'm not skating your question regarding price, rather, its more complicated than a single figure, and it would be unfair to us and others in the industry to reveal the cost of an individual event, as it is a highly dynamic number.

westboroughpimp, I do appreciate your feedback and hope we can improve our events to a level at which you'd like to participate again.

I'll leave this conversation on this last note. We have heard your suggestions/complaints and feedback, and will react to them. Just as we did others after the Thunderhill event. I was very pleased about our May 30th event, having experienced other events that were not as fun or valuable. But that's not good enough, I agree, we will work to continue to improve.

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Var

it's not something you did. it's not your fault...and i'm not even really that upset. It's just the way things turned out ..there were simply too many people on the track. Like i said even though i crashed a car that i had only owned for a week! i would still not change anything about that day.

as for not revealing the costs...fine. But i find it hard to believe you guys "took a loss" on this one. I will contact Altamont myself and find out how much the track costs. unless they charged like 5 grand for the track rental alone you shouldnt have lost money. unless you count blowing up someone's engine in the costs.

and just to recap. i think it's fair to say one should get at least half an hour worth of actual driving time on the racetrack. if there are 60 people divided by half an hour each, there needs to be 30 hours of track time total assuming one run takes a minute and there is only one person on the track at a time.

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blu808

Wtf is wrong with you? Take this into consideration.
Track cost.
Insurance.
Advertising and fliers.
Track cleanup.
Medical support.
etc.

And how could you flame down the best event to ever be held in the south bay? You are really just trying to fuck everyone here. Dont you realize that if we want to have events in the bay area it has to start somewhere. And a run is a run. You didnt see me wasting my tires on the skid pad, but it is still a run.

Go flame someone else because all you do is talk shit about everything anyway.

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[QUOTE=westboroughpimp]

-What other drift events have you been to other than Button Willow?

-If there are $120 all day 20 cars event near the bay don't you think it
would happen already?

-Cost of track rental, why don't you ask the expert Crabdrifting?

-May be Altamont and NCDA events are just not your thing?

-Why pay $120 @ Button Willow when you can drift for hours by yourself on
highway 9?

-Why don't you put an event together?

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-What other drift events have you been to other than Button Willow?




NCDA

If there are $120 all day 20 cars event near the bay don't you think it
would happen already?

Drifting hasnt been big enough in norcal yet. that's the whole point of ncda and crabdrifting. i'm sure we will find a reasonably priced piece of land, racetrack or not where we can get good track time for a reasonable price.


Cost of track rental, why don't you ask the expert Crabdrifting?

Maybe i will. Thanks for your cynical suggestion. it is appreciated

-May be Altamont and NCDA events are just not your thing?
did you figure that out all by yourself?

-Why pay $120 @ Button Willow when you can drift for hours by yourself on
highway 9?

Not everyone is expert mountain drifter like you. that's why i want track time so i can drift more

-Why don't you put an event together?
i work 60 hours a week. i dont have the connections or the recources. believe me i wish i could

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oops i didnt see this post. sorry for being so respectful in my last response.

let me start over




-What other drift events have you been to other than Button Willow?




none. i've never been to a drift event. buttonwillow was a practice day and ncda was a car show

If there are $120 all day 20 cars event near the bay don't you think it
would happen already?

not when people look at drifting as the next cash crop.


Cost of track rental, why don't you ask the expert Crabdrifting?


talking shit? can't tell

-May be Altamont and NCDA events are just not your thing?

i have nothing against altamont or ncda. go read my last post. just so happens on may 30th, the way ncda organized the event wasnt to my liking. and the way we ran altamont one at a time was somewhat anti-educational. you gotta keep attacking the track to learn shit. especially for us beginners.

-Why pay $120 @ Button Willow when you can drift for hours by yourself on
highway 9?

i wish i was a rich white guy so i could afford to crash cars in the mountains all day long

-Why don't you put an event together?

if i was a rich white guy i would just rent out the track for all my friends to use

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mazdized

The way things were laid out the groups were suppose to rotate 3 times with a toatl of 9 sessions. However the decision to do the competition was not made by NCDA, it was made by the drivers. Remember there was the poll to vote wether or not to have 1-1.5 hours of extra track time or to have a competition? The vote was on NCDA's forum and majority of the drivers who voted wanted competiton. Now if you guys want to have more track time instead of competition that is ok too. I understand NCDA's events are not up to certain peoples' standard or satisfaction, but every thing will get straightend out soon. We are trying to give the drivers a lot of atonomy and room to adjust so at the end the event is what the drivers want. I appologize if things are not as good as it can be, but we will continue to make improvements and progress.

I have mentioned before about Button Willow. Well here is my thought and opinion..... I have seen cars flip, caught on fire, stuck together after collision, driver dies, driver not breathing, driver cut so bad blood was dripping out the floor hole on to the asphalt, driver injured and can not get out of car by himself, driver passed out, heart attack, and a car literally flipped across the track end over end 30 feet infront of me and landed upside down. If I was 30 feet ahead the back bumper would have come through my wind shield. (Remember there was a little confusion about convertible cars for the Thunderhill event? that was because a few weeks prior to Jan. 17th a S2000 flipped and the driver was air lifted out. I think he was paralized or seriously injured, and Thunderhill was or is going through legal issues with that.) I have not been to one of those 15 car event at Button Willow in a while so things might be different now than what I know, but event with out medical and tow crew is just too great of a risk to take in my opinion. Some of you might think it is a good deal out there, but you are taking a much higher risk with your lives, you just have not seen the consequences infront of you yet. My point is not to scare people. High performance driving is dangerous and there are a lot of consideration and issues that need to be addressed, it is much more dynamic and complex than it appears.

neevosh

You can't please everybody. I had fun at the event and I learned a lot. I missed part of the morning session and I still got at least 15 runs in on the big track for the whole day. And another 11 runs during the competition. I've been to 3 or 4 events at Buttonwillow. It's definetaly the best event to go to as far as track time. But what I liked about Altamont was that there were walls close by that you could hit if you were careless. It really motivated you to keep a proper line. Fuck, I'm rambling. NCDA is still learning what works and what doesn't in regards to putting on drift events. Anyone who would rather focus on track drifting then parking lot cone drifting is OK in my book.

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mazdized

Thanks Mike. In my book you won the Best Improved Award for the day.

monkey7

Going back to the topic, I was nervous when I seen suvs and other cars that were going in and out of the pit area. Especially when my gear and my spare rims were unattended.

Going off topic, I'm glad that the NCDA staff are here to take the complaints and complements. It shows that they respect and try to understand the community to bring us better events. If I am correct, this is their 2nd event. NCDA is growing as we are developing better skills in drifting. If you don't like it, you don't have to attend. Try one of those NASA events. You'll see a difference.

Next to renting a track, we tried to rent thunderhill on a weekday, they wanted about 4 grand for no more than 15 drivers. Minimum staff and ambulance. There is more than it seems.

balmo

that is very true, i kinna overlooked the fact that a comp. will also take time. i for one voted for a cometition and was very pleased with the may 30 event.

knghtryde

I wasn't able to drive at the event, but I have been to many events. Just to let you guys know if you guys have that much of an issue. There are tracks that will allow individuals to run on the track the whole day for about 350 dollars. That is by yourself most of the time. That is only on their off days when they have nothing else booked and you have have to call on a daily basis to see if there is anything going on.

I think these are great events, and I do give NCDA thumbs up on this. Their events aren't perfect, but they are learning and trying to adjust. It takes time since drifting is kinda new in the states. It's harder to get tracks to open up to us and allow drifters to go.

It also really doesn't help when idiots are doing stupid things like stealing from the Track. What we need to do is support people like NCDA, but NCDA also has to understand that in order for us to support them they have to support other groups that are attempting to bring drifting around. They can't try to corner the market on Northern California. I don't know all the details, actually nobody knows because neither NCDA nor CrabDrifting want to speak the truth about what's going on.

I aplaud NCDA for bringing track drifting to Norhtern California and I do believe that we need to support them and anyone else that is trying to make drifting more acceptable on the track.

I also thank Altamont Raceway for allowing us to continue drifting on their track even with all the bullshit that's been thrown their way because of it.

Lastly, NCDA needs to advertise better. We need to get people there to watch the events. We need the public to see exactly what goes on. It's the only way we are going to get public acceptability for drifters on the track.

I know there is a profit being made. I don't know how much because nobody is going to disclose that, but you should be using some of that profit to advertise these events a little better.

Thats my 2 cents.

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Mofo Word.

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Var

on a lighter note..have you blown your shocks on PM yet?

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TRUENOCOUPE

I don't purchase POS shocks. So no.

I have the TRD rally shocks.

Btw: Wanna come out this weekend with that POS Pink Car. Im heading out to PM.

Fruity ass mofo, riding around with a pink car. Nigga Please.

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blu808

westboroughpimp. Sorry for being an ass. But you pissed me off. Im just tired of all your shit talking, You do have some good points, and i agree with most of them, lets just put this out to pasture, because all this bikering does is make people in nor cal look like crybaby bitches like you. Anyways, where the fuck do you come off saying im a rich whiteboy? I have built all of my cars myself, built all my own motors, everything. And im so not rich that im usually stuck eating cup of noodles for breakfast, lunch, and dinner.
Just becuase im a white guy with a nice car doesnt mean that i just paid someone to build it for me, or just bought it at the S14.5 car dealership in never never land.

+ How in the fuck can you say that? when your the one who just goes out and buys a car thats allready built, You didnt do a goddam thing to that car and you overpaid for it. I would never buy a car thats allready built, or atleast if i did i would change everything about it, to make it my car. I hate people like you who give the sport and the sceen a bad name, Ohh and remember when i helped you over the phone with your boost controller?
I didnt need to do that, i just did to be nice to georgia. I spent alot of time on the phone with you, and assuming that thing was installed properly i told you accurate tuning information, The only thing in fact that made me not like you was what georgia told me you said about me after i tried to help you.
she said that you said " That guy Luke isnt very helpful and doesnt really know anything, he was just a big waste of time." thats what made me not like you. YOU ARE THE DUMBASS WHO COULDNT FIGURE OUT THE FREAKING VACUME LINES WERE BACKWARDS.

And I have NEVER crashed ANY of my drift cars, unlike you.
Now lets stop this fucking bickering before it gets ugly.
Peace

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Mofo Word!

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knghtryde

Al, some people just a little too full of themselves aren't they?

You know like you are. haha.

You know, I've been to alot of meets and events, and the majority of people there are hella kewl, but I just have to say this. A very very select few of the people that i've come accross, think way to highly of themselves.

Come on. This is suppose to be fun, and everyone is suppose to kick back. I love the way that most people can just kick back and help each other out, but why the fuck can't some people just stop acting like assholes and stop thinking their better than everyone else.

Dude I know my driving skill kinda sucks. I actually have to ask for pointers most of the time. My knowledge of supsension is so so, I get alot of my Advise from Josh at Auto RND. My strong point is engines, tranny's and electrical.

I'm not better than anyone else on this forum. But some people that I won't mention names unless it to their face. I don't care to deal with on a regular basis cause they are stuck up, wanna be hard ass, assholes.

Again My 2 P h u K i n G sents

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someone wake up on the wrong side of the bed today? sheesh looks like half of you did...

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Al,

I just read my last post, and even though it looks like it I didn't direct that at you. The first part was a joke at your expense I guess. I just wanted to clear that up.

I've met you and I even think I knew you in highschool for like a semester or something and you are an ass, but you're only an ass In fun. Atleast that's what I get from it. I don't think you really mean anything by it, atleast I hope not.

hahaha

Oh and just in case you didn't catch it

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i hope that u guys are at ur computers laughing when u guys are typing this and having fun cuz thats what were supposed to be doing is having fun!

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blu808

Im just playing around. Its all fun anyways. Besides i dont hate westboroughpimp, hes a cool guy, just pisses me off somtimes. lol. When it all comes down to it, i dont think anyone is a bad driver unless they are not trying to learn at all. You can suck ass, and go out there and learn more than a pro would in one day, now thats what its all about.

yeaaar.

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Im full of myself. Ssshiitttt...

I just love me. Too bad I don't love you.

Al aka Asshole.

(Oh yeah, I've known you since Hoover. lol)

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blu808

knghtryde. Where in campbell are you? I also live in campbell next to san thomas and hamilton.

Luke

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Hey Al. any word on that motor. lol

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Imma call those bastards right now.

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