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cc4usmc · 12-29-2009, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Ghost240

he did a WHOLE skit on it....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsFBy7y3G04

Good shit lol, thanks.

LimeLite Racing · 12-29-2009, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by cc4usmc

Yeah, I jinxed it lol. At least the rest of the post was good

Edit: Wtf, my post count isn't going up.

Haha that shit was at something 666 for like 8 posts. I was amused.

BustedS13 · 12-30-2009, 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by REVOisGO

bingo. thats what i was referring to. BUT! i wasnt sure if anyone caught it so i cleaned it up.

completely forgot about that bit, my bad.

***Future240*** · 12-30-2009, 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Matej

A lot of black people don't even care for BET. Or for Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson.

I fucking hate all three. All bet does is make people who
aren't black think we are all ignorant, rude, loud etc. and it makes people who are black mimic what they see on this.

Like a lot of America's people we derive our culture from music, tv and what is passed down. Sadly the images that are the loudest in the media are bad(not saying it's all media fault) so life imitates media which imitates life.

Alot of this comes from the fact that there is no strong black POSITIVE models for the youth to follow. Boys want to be tough, well the media and their peers portray tough guys as gangsters. Gangsters to gangster stuff. I got made fun of in school because I wasn't like my peers. I didn't do the gangster thing. and like it was said earlier this has a lot to due with being ignorant. In college people
accept me for being different instead of demonizing me for being different.

I don't know why, but it is like a self hatred is put into else. Like it was stated earlier to be "black" usually means mimicing the radio stars in dress, and in behavior. Some can see through the veil most can't.

Busteds13 I see what you were trying to say about cmt and spike. While they in name are not for white people the programs they show are mainly viewed and enjoy by white people.

Someone said the NAACP should change the name, I think they should be disbanded. It is networks like bet, and organization like NAACP thAt help keep us separate. Their is a double standard and black folks need to cut it out.

I personally strive to be me not black. While I was typing this insane clown posse, Amon amarth, young jeezy, and other things played. I love alot of parts from different cultures. The day we stop tying culture to skin color is the day we (americans) take another real step forward.

cc4usmc · 12-30-2009, 12:51 AM

Great post.

Mister.E · 12-30-2009, 01:41 AM

For real, that shit was genius. i agree with the NAACP be disbanded. it really has no more use in today's society. i do recognize that it was a good thing when it first started and it helped bring us to where we are today, but it is no longer needed. you are right, it is just another one of those things aiding in the segregation of our communities.

S117A47 · 12-30-2009, 06:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Moon Ill

It's alright. She likes me back, though he will probably disown her if we were to advance the relationship to where I'd like it to be.

I think both the a large group of the minority and a large group of the majority do not recognize the underlying social infrastructure and thereby shape their perception superficially to fit what they believe to be true.

Education changes all things, however it only educates us to what we are willing to believe. The dynamic nature of culture vs the arrogant inertia human belief will forever cause issues like this.

Amen.

And the point that is trying to be made here is that while there isn't a problem with the NAACP or BET, there is a HUGE problem with racism. The simple fact is that if there was a WET or NAAWP, people would get offended and protest, even if they weren't engaging in any discriminatory or racist activities.

lewisfk · 12-30-2009, 07:17 AM

mtv, cmt, hell the channels that play Seinfeld and Friends! Come on man, this thread is a bunch of bull shit! No your history and why BET was created in the first damn place!

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Originally Posted by E Double

For real, that shit was genius. i agree with the NAACP be disbanded. it really has no more use in today's society. i do recognize that it was a good thing when it first started and it helped bring us to where we are today, but it is no longer needed. you are right, it is just another one of those things aiding in the segregation of our communities.

Really move to Texas, or most states in the south! There is people still getting lynched Here!!!

**Phlip** · 12-30-2009, 08:49 AM

January 25th will be BET's 30th anniversary.
It was started at a time (remember, context matters) where there literally WAS no programming marketed to or identifiable by black people. When one looks for something to claim fanship of, even in the maiden days of basic cable television networks, they would like to use someone they identify with, no?
You don't just decide 20-30 years down the road after establishing an identity to just up and change shit. ("new coke" anyone?)
Therefore, Black Entertainment Television was born. For many years, the network was worth watching, promoting not only strength within the community, but education and interaction with other races and fucking getting along with one another (teen summit anyone?).
Funny thing, I find with this thread is that BET has existed for 30 fucking years in the face that if any one of the presumably non-black people commenting in this thread was so bothered by the presence of an all (or mostly, as it were)-black station, then perhaps they would work that built-in privilege that they (not personally, but you should get it) have had to put it to a preemptive end. A lack of inclusion in the arena was what initially birthed the network in the first place. It was a problem that has ALWAYS followed blacks and browns in this country, even to this day. You might want to argue that the president is black(ish), but I would invite you to look at the baseless vitriol that he must fight through to now be doing such an ineffective job that he will not be reelected. And no, he will not.

Which brings me to an odd parallel.
"Okay, we let you play in the sandbox long enough, now we want it back."
Stay with me here.
Just as the good old fairer race will "take back America and fix" in 2012... In 1999 Viacom saw fit to pay 3 BILLION for something that apparently, if I am to believe this thread, no one is interested in. Viacom is a publicly traded company that is currently presidented (no, not a real word, but stick with it) by Philippe Dauman... Care to know what he looks like?

(yep, looks like a white guy to me)

Anyway, my opinion is that if white people on the whole, they would line up in droves to out this shit down in a heartbeat. If not completely out, then it would be made into the most ineffectual bullshit fucking minstrel show that it could be made to be.
Remember BET's ComicView, a cheap sendup of HBO's Def Comedy Jam, that made a nightly spectacle of loud-talking unfunny comedians?
How about all of the bad black sitcoms that no other station would DARE attempt syndicating? Yep, turn to BET for those.
Anyone remember the BRILLIANT documentary series, American Gangster, that came just ahead of the movie? Best show ever on BET, but I would be willing to bet that 90% of the people bitching, even in this thread never heard of it. I own both seasons on DVD.
"But Phlip, the network is nothing but black people, ain't that racist?"
Have any of you actually WATCHED this shit? That shit is HARDLY a representation of black life, and if you think it is, then you don't 'have tons of black friends' as you claim. The network is full of ignorant over-mutations of black life, a very small microcosm of the whole. We're led to believe that we all leave the house with guns, flashy jewelry and a complete and total lack of mastery of the English language in tow. We're led to believe that the STANDARD is birthed in lowered expectations. No way in hell any of us will ever finish college or hold down a job, no not when we could be beating innocent white women upside the head on BET.
Right, immediately at the onset of Viacom, Black Entertainment Television ceased to exist, it had become Black Embarrassment Television.
Up in New York, some white man is laughing the shit all the way to the bank, based solely on someone's voyeuristic desire to NEED to see black folks fucking up. Allowance of continued existence is tied to interest of the public, which attracts the money of sponsors. If they were to show the majority of black life, then no one would tune in, and the station would go defunct within 36 minutes.
Someone mentioned Bill Cosby. Let us not forget that he was quick to make with the Shuckin' and Jivin' to make HIS dough too -- not to mention an ugly court case where a girl was awarded a judgment for falling asleep in his house and waking up drugged and felt up -- then reversed field when it became profitable to do so.
Then W.E.T. -- as in the rest of damn near every other cable channel -- would have their wish and we would not be having this conversation right now.
I don't complain about the fact that no less than 5 of the channels on my cable programming between channels 40-50 because I maintain the option to fucking ignore them.

At the end of it all, people REALLY need to work on how they define the word 'racism'. It has come down to anything that points to a difference in racial identity, even passing differences -- and not the ACTUAL intent, being an actual prejudice, damn near a disdain or hatred -- is tagged with "that's racist, you're racist!"
It is happening from all sides, and someone will have gotten lost in this sea of words that I have typed here to ignore it with something like "the black people are always screaming racism, see this is some bullshit, when will they just get over it?" And I will ask "when the fuck will YOU get over it?"

"God it was just a damned joke, can't you people laugh at ANYTHING?!!?"
If it was JUST a joke, then this thread would not be in Loud Noises, this kind of response is the conjecture that this section was created for. Apparently some people just can't fathom why such a network can exist (albeit in a watered down and shamefully embarrassing shell of itself) 30 years later.
Hell, even I wouldn't cry if BET as we know it nowadays died TOMORROW, and I sure as hell wouldn't miss it with the copycat TVONE on the block now, even though I do not have digital programming to get that channel.

"But what if we DID start W.E.T.?"
Fine, go out and start it--... Better yet, TRY to start it. Find yourself one of those billionaire white men to back you, don't bother trying to start with a minuscule (even in 1980 dollars for a television station) $15k loan, and let's see how far W.E.T. gets off of the ground. Keep in mind, all things being equal that you will need to establish your entire network with only two hours of programming per week. Not for a show, for the entire network.
I guess that means that all the backers, advertisers and cable companies -- in that they would not green light the shit, allow it's continued existence or take it seriously -- are all racist too, regardless of what color they happen to be?
Blank stares will abound from all angles.

HyperTek · 12-30-2009, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by future240

Like a lot of America's people we derive our culture from music, tv and what is passed down. Sadly the images that are the loudest in the media are bad(not saying it's all media fault) so life imitates media which imitates life.

I hear that, reminds me of the vatos at my school, stereotypical. Alot of the dudes got records on them too..

hahah that chris rock vid was funny, esp when he was like "haha I aint gone to jail yet hehe".. "You aint suppose to go to jail!!"

LimeLite Racing · 12-30-2009, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by lewisfk

mtv, cmt, hell the channels that play Seinfeld and Friends! Come on man, this thread is a bunch of bull shit! No your history and why BET was created in the first damn place!
I'm white with an opinion. FUCK MTV, FUCK CMT, FUCK SEINFELD AND I FUCKING HATE RAYMOND!
Why exactly was BET created? See post below.

Really move to Texas, or most states in the south! There is people still getting lynched Here!!!

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Originally Posted by PHLIP

January 25th will be BET's 30th anniversary.
It was started at a time (remember, context matters) where there literally WAS no programming marketed to or identifiable by black people. When one looks for something to claim fanship of, even in the maiden days of basic cable television networks, they would like to use someone they identify with, no?
You don't just decide 20-30 years down the road after establishing an identity to just up and change shit. ("new coke" anyone?)
Therefore, Black Entertainment Television was born. For many years, the network was worth watching, promoting not only strength within the community, but education and interaction with other races and fucking getting along with one another (teen summit anyone?).
Funny thing, I find with this thread is that BET has existed for 30 fucking years in the face that if any one of the presumably non-black people commenting in this thread was so bothered by the presence of an all (or mostly, as it were)-black station, then perhaps they would work that built-in privilege that they (not personally, but you should get it) have had to put it to a preemptive end. A lack of inclusion in the arena was what initially birthed the network in the first place. It was a problem that has ALWAYS followed blacks and browns in this country, even to this day. You might want to argue that the president is black(ish), but I would invite you to look at the baseless vitriol that he must fight through to now be doing such an ineffective job that he will not be reelected. And no, he will not.

Which brings me to an odd parallel.
"Okay, we let you play in the sandbox long enough, now we want it back."
Stay with me here.
Just as the good old fairer race will "take back America and fix" in 2012... In 1999 Viacom saw fit to pay 3 BILLION for something that apparently, if I am to believe this thread, no one is interested in. Viacom is a publicly traded company that is currently presidented (no, not a real word, but stick with it) by Philippe Dauman... Care to know what he looks like?

(yep, looks like a white guy to me)

Anyway, my opinion is that if white people were so put off on the whole, they would line up in droves to put this shit down in a heartbeat. If not completely out, then it would be made into the most ineffectual bullshit fucking minstrel show that it could be made to be.
Remember BET's ComicView, a cheap sendup of HBO's Def Comedy Jam, that made a nightly spectacle of loud-talking unfunny comedians?
How about all of the bad black sitcoms that no other station would DARE attempt syndicating? Yep, turn to BET for those.
Anyone remember the BRILLIANT documentary series, American Gangster, that came just ahead of the movie? Best show ever on BET, but I would be willing to bet that 90% of the people bitching, even in this thread never heard of it. I own both seasons on DVD.
"But Phlip, the network is nothing but black people, ain't that racist?"
Have any of you actually WATCHED this shit? That shit is HARDLY a representation of black life, and if you think it is, then you don't 'have tons of black friends' as you claim. The network is full of ignorant over-mutations of black life, a very small microcosm of the whole. We're led to believe that we all leave the house with guns, flashy jewelry and a complete and total lack of mastery of the English language in tow. We're led to believe that the STANDARD is birthed in lowered expectations. No way in hell any of us will ever finish college or hold down a job, no not when we could be beating innocent white women upside the head on BET.
Right, immediately at the onset of Viacom, Black Entertainment Television ceased to exist, it had become Black Embarrassment Television.
Up in New York, some white man is laughing the shit all the way to the bank, based solely on someone's voyeuristic desire to NEED to see black folks fucking up. Allowance of continued existence is tied to interest of the public, which attracts the money of sponsors. If they were to show the majority of black life, then no one would tune in, and the station would go defunct within 36 minutes.
Someone mentioned Bill Cosby. Let us not forget that he was quick to make with the Shuckin' and Jivin' to make HIS dough too -- not to mention an ugly court case where a girl was awarded a judgment for falling asleep in his house and waking up drugged and felt up -- then reversed field when it became profitable to do so.
Then W.E.T. -- as in the rest of damn near every other cable channel -- would have their wish and we would not be having this conversation right now.
I don't complain about the fact that no less than 5 of the channels on my cable programming between channels 40-50 because I maintain the option to fucking ignore them.

At the end of it all, people REALLY need to work on how they define the word 'racism'. It has come down to anything that points to a difference in racial identity, even passing differences -- and not the ACTUAL intent, being an actual prejudice, damn near a disdain or hatred -- is tagged with "that's racist, you're racist!"
It is happening from all sides, and someone will have gotten lost in this sea of words that I have typed here to ignore it with something like "the black people are always screaming racism, see this is some bullshit, when will they just get over it?" And I will ask "when the fuck will YOU get over it?"

"God it was just a damned joke, can't you people laugh at ANYTHING?!!?"
If it was JUST a joke, then this thread would not be in Loud Noises, this kind of response is the conjecture that this section was created for. Apparently some people just can't fathom why such a network can exist (albeit in a watered down and shamefully embarrassing shell of itself) 30 years later.
Hell, even I wouldn't cry if BET as we know it nowadays died TOMORROW, and I sure as hell wouldn't miss it with the copycat TVONE on the block now, even though I do not have digital programming to get that channel.

"But what if we DID start W.E.T.?"
Fine, go out and start it--... Better yet, TRY to start it. Find yourself one of those billionaire white men to back you, don't bother trying to start with a minuscule (even in 1980 dollars for a television station) $15k loan, and let's see how far W.E.T. gets off of the ground. Keep in mind, all things being equal that you will need to establish your entire network with only two hours of programming per week. Not for a show, for the entire network.
I guess that means that all the backers, advertisers and cable companies -- in that they would not green light the shit, allow it's continued existence or take it seriously -- are all racist too, regardless of what color they happen to be?
Blank stares will abound from all angles.

You share a great point and opinion, but when do you not? If I ever need an attorney... I'll probably fly your ass out here.

No further comments. (until my attorney arrives)

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Originally Posted by HyperTek

I hear that, reminds me of the vatos at my school, stereotypical. Alot of the dudes got records on them too..

hahah that chris rock vid was funny, esp when he was like "haha I aint gone to jail yet hehe".. "You aint suppose to go to jail!!"

I've been to jail, but I'm still a nice dude, just a little more bad ass as fuck.

I got locked up wearing a pink sleeveless misfits shirt, skinny jeans, and my fiances fluffy hooded sweatshirt. Didn't even get beat up! Jail's totally overrated.

I guess there's no point in me saying that.. Especially since I didn't get locked up for stabbing or shooting someone, robbing anyone, doing drugs, or beating anyone up.... I just don't know how to be nice and shut my mouth when talking to police.... Well I do now....

zeitgeist · 01-01-2010, 05:16 AM

You guys saying National association for the Advancement of colored people should be disbanded. You do know that there are white people and people of many other races that are members right? Better yet how many of you have been to a community event hosted by them? Thought so. Ive been to countless communities where it not only helps blacks, but asians, hispanics, and even whites. NAACP is actually a very group that promotes education and improving the community. You guys should educated yourselves more about things then to just start criticizing. Just because there are some dildos that say stupid shit doesnt mean you need to hate on a whole group.

But ya BET is trash. Like every other channel it is about the money. They are giving people what they want

And I laugh when a white person says why cant we have a white channel or or have all white groups? Well my answer is that throughout history when whites participate in activities like that they tend to get violent and go around killing minorities. Amirite?

***Future240*** · 01-01-2010, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by zeitgeist

And I laugh when a white person says why cant we have a white channel or or have all white groups? Well my answer is that throughout history when whites participate in activities like that they tend to get violent and go around killing minorities. Amirite?

No, but you are an idiot for this statement.

singlecamslam · 01-01-2010, 10:53 AM

I think Jews deserve a channel more than blacks and latinos, because if you really think about it, Jews had it really rough over the history, and you dont see them complaining about it.

zeitgeist · 01-01-2010, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by future240

No, but you are an idiot for this statement.

Orly? Give me an example where there is a group for whites only that hasnt done this. But seriously, I could care less if whites had their own channel. More power to ya

Singlecamslam: They do have their own channels.............................

HyperTek · 01-01-2010, 01:07 PM

i cant wait for cinco de mayo! its gonna be a big celebration around my area lol.. so if they can do that, then sure, white people deserve a television station lol

LimeLite Racing · 01-01-2010, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by zeitgeist

You guys saying National association for the Advancement of colored people should be disbanded. You do know that there are white people and people of many other races that are members right? Better yet how many of you have been to a community event hosted by them? Thought so. Ive been to countless communities where it not only helps blacks, but asians, hispanics, and even whites. NAACP is actually a very group that promotes education and improving the community. You guys should educated yourselves more about things then to just start criticizing. Just because there are some dildos that say stupid shit doesnt mean you need to hate on a whole group.

But ya BET is trash. Like every other channel it is about the money. They are giving people what they want

And I laugh when a white person says why cant we have a white channel or or have all white groups? Well my answer is that throughout history when whites participate in activities like that they tend to get violent and go around killing minorities. Amirite?

Lol. We need to educated ourselves.

And that entire post was 100% useless.

dynamicck · 01-01-2010, 02:23 PM

Groups like NAACP were started because people of color were being oppressed. It was a means for them to have a voice as a collective group, rather than individuals.

Lotta people complain how they "hate" how minorities get their own channel/group/whatever. I think 200 years of slavery is enough to warrant their own channel.
Do I watch it? no
Do I care? no

There's so many complaints about "how come they get that, and we dont?"
It's a land of equality... If you want it... make it, build it, do it, FIGHT FOR IT.

SR240DET · 01-01-2010, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by zeitgeist

And I laugh when a white person says why cant we have a white channel or or have all white groups? Well my answer is that throughout history when whites participate in activities like that they tend to get violent and go around killing minorities. Amirite?

Don't hang around white people much? This is probably one of the most racist things said in this thread.

singlecamslam · 01-01-2010, 05:36 PM

Zeitgest: i havent seen a single Jewish channel. I'm just saying Jews have the shit end of the stick in any situation. And i never hear a jew complain. And you are also an idiot for your last post. The KKK is a bad example if thats the all white group you're trying to portray. And i really dont see why latinos and blacks Need their own channels. We are all HUMANS, color of skin doesnt matter and all these black and hispanic channels arent nessasary.
They should focus on getting different minorities together and not further apart from each other.

**Phlip** · 01-01-2010, 06:47 PM

Someone PLEASE respond to me... I need the conversation, I am several beverages including both Souhern Comfort AND Absolut 100 into 2010 by now and could grind out some more refutals

singlecamslam · 01-01-2010, 07:14 PM

Dude PHLIP i would, but you write too damn much haha.

TheWolf · 01-02-2010, 09:14 AM

Let me just ask this. Is it racist to not like black culture? If I goto the mall and there's nothing but black kids walking around shouting at each other, wearing baggy ghetto clothes, looking like idiots.. is that racist to not want to goto that mall? Because if that's racist then I am. There are few things more annoying on the planet then 4 black males hanging out of a 89 caprice classic with 32" wheels on it hooting and hollering at every girl that walks by. See I don't want that around me. I don't want that in my neighborhood and I don't want that at my kids school. See this also follows to my cable channels. I don't want to flip through it on my TV. Thus it wouldn't hurt my feelings if BET went away. If I could buy channels ala carte. BET would be dropped like a rock. I feel it's whole purpose is to promote stereotypes. It's like your clicking through the channels and you flip through it.. "ooh just checking in... yep black people are still loud and obnoxious... don't want to hang around with that... next channel"

It could just be an image problem. Maybe it's all some whites see so they assume that all blacks want a blinged old cop car that looks like a retarded fishing lure. It seems to seriously permeate most all black neighborhoods. As for the lack of black role models. You've got a black president. He's not blackish. He's black. There are no true "blacks". That's on the same line of saying only white kids with blond hair and blue eyes are "white". everyone else is "whiteish". The lack of role models could be tied to black culture. It seems engrained down here that black people can't succeed so there for why try. So they take on this black cultural image of loose clothing and non traditional hairstyles and then claim they can't get a job because they look like an idiot. It's kind of a self fullfilling mantra.

**Phlip** · 01-02-2010, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by TheWolf

Let me just ask this. Is it racist to not like black culture? If I goto the mall and there's nothing but black kids walking around shouting at each other, wearing baggy ghetto clothes, looking like idiots.. is that racist to not want to goto that mall? Because if that's racist then I am. There are few things more annoying on the planet then 4 black males hanging out of a 89 caprice classic with 32" wheels on it hooting and hollering at every girl that walks by. See I don't want that around me. I don't want that in my neighborhood and I don't want that at my kids school. See this also follows to my cable channels. I don't want to flip through it on my TV. Thus it wouldn't hurt my feelings if BET went away. If I could buy channels ala carte. BET would be dropped like a rock. I feel it's whole purpose is to promote stereotypes. It's like your clicking through the channels and you flip through it.. "ooh just checking in... yep black people are still loud and obnoxious... don't want to hang around with that... next channel"

It could just be an image problem. Maybe it's all some whites see so they assume that all blacks want a blinged old cop car that looks like a retarded fishing lure. It seems to seriously permeate most all black neighborhoods. As for the lack of black role models. You've got a black president. He's not blackish. He's black. There are no true "blacks". That's on the same line of saying only white kids with blond hair and blue eyes are "white". everyone else is "whiteish". The lack of role models could be tied to black culture. It seems engrained down here that black people can't succeed so there for why try. So they take on this black cultural image of loose clothing and non traditional hairstyles and then claim they can't get a job because they look like an idiot. It's kind of a self fullfilling mantra.

No, you're not racist if you don't want to be around "ghetto" people (it's 2010 people, perhaps we should un-learn the word "ghetto" and just say what the fuck we mean), but you are full on such in your attempt at inference that such behavior is "black culture." In such, it makes me feel more like you are using a small (but unfortunately vocal) number of people out of a group to drive your opinion of that group as a whole, with no attempts made to refute the negative stereotypes, all bad applies to all black people now.
Please don't tell me about your "many black friends," I been hearing that my whole life, it gets old.
I am a 30 year-old black dude who would rather not have that shit around me, so I stay clear of it. That includes my not watching BET, there is nothing on the damned channel for me. It does not represent anything I am about and I have mentioned before that I do not like what the channel has allowed itself to become.
However, in my "black people stay losing" conspiracy theory, I still say that BET was allowed to fully go to shit and become the minstrel show that it is under the watchful white eye of Viacom, not at the hand of the people who are unfairly stereotyped by that bullshit.

usdm180sx · 01-02-2010, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by TheWolf

Let me just ask this. Is it racist to not like black culture? If I goto the mall and there's nothing but black kids walking around shouting at each other, wearing baggy ghetto clothes, looking like idiots.. is that racist to not want to goto that mall? Because if that's racist then I am. There are few things more annoying on the planet then 4 black males hanging out of a 89 caprice classic with 32" wheels on it hooting and hollering at every girl that walks by. See I don't want that around me. I don't want that in my neighborhood and I don't want that at my kids school. See this also follows to my cable channels. I don't want to flip through it on my TV. Thus it wouldn't hurt my feelings if BET went away. If I could buy channels ala carte. BET would be dropped like a rock. I feel it's whole purpose is to promote stereotypes. It's like your clicking through the channels and you flip through it.. "ooh just checking in... yep black people are still loud and obnoxious... don't want to hang around with that... next channel"

It could just be an image problem. Maybe it's all some whites see so they assume that all blacks want a blinged old cop car that looks like a retarded fishing lure. It seems to seriously permeate most all black neighborhoods. As for the lack of black role models. You've got a black president. He's not blackish. He's black. There are no true "blacks". That's on the same line of saying only white kids with blond hair and blue eyes are "white". everyone else is "whiteish". The lack of role models could be tied to black culture. It seems engrained down here that black people can't succeed so there for why try. So they take on this black cultural image of loose clothing and non traditional hairstyles and then claim they can't get a job because they look like an idiot. It's kind of a self fullfilling mantra.

Anyone who assumes that all black people have the negative qualities you described is not only racist but also ignorant. Would you mind if your kids grew with black kids like the cosbys?

***Future240*** · 01-02-2010, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by zeitgeist

Orly? Give me an example where there is a group for whites only that hasnt done this. But seriously, I could care less if whites had their own channel. More power to ya

Singlecamslam: They do have their own channels.............................

This in itself is a stupid statement. White only groups were racist because they were founded on this premise of excluding other groups which by itself is racist. The same goes for groups founded by other races (fraternities, gangs etc.). These are in different categories than NAACP.

You cannot say that all white groups will turn racist. Turning racist is different than a group being founded on racism. BTW if you analyze your statement then what you are really saying is that groups founded by a race that is for that race only will turn racist. Well that includes black people too.

I will be the first to admit that some "black" groups are racist. They not have started out that way, but eventually evolved into that. It is an easy path to see, ignorance + pride= believing you are better than someone else because of X. Same goes for any other group, but it is not all of them. You cannot let the bad things of some groups speak for the entire group of people. That is called generalizing and it is no difference than if somebody came up to you and said you like chicken and watermelon because you are black.

And if in your statement you were talking about just white people then that is racist of you.

As far as your channel comment. White people do NOT have their own channel. For the sake of this argument, black people do not either. BET is a channel that is "black" only in name. It is more of a shallow mimicry of black culture than anything. Despite its shittiness, BET is enjoyed (and hated) by people of all races, and owned by a white man.

I do believe that it is still called BET for the same reason MTV is called mtv. Even though a rose by any other name would smell as sweet(or in this case shitty) one seeking this rose may not find it due to it being another name.

ronmcdon · 01-02-2010, 11:24 AM

is there anything wrong with acknowledging "ghetto culture",
anymore than say "yuppie culture", "metros", "hill-billies", etc?

Not saying such things are by nature, undesirable.
I think it's fair to say there are always cultural eleements one finds more (or less) preferable.

BustedS13 · 01-02-2010, 12:33 PM

not wanting to be around "undesirables"... i mean, it's hard to make an argument against it because i'm pretty confident everyone feels the same way. i don't go to what used to be the "nice" mall in Clayton (i'm just going to use city names because fuck you if you don't know them, it doesn't matter) because ever since the Metrolink (STL's light rail system) got a stop down the block, it's been full of loud asshole teenagers. yeah, they're black, but the annoying part is how they're loud assholes. it's the same problem if i go to the mall in South County, which, due to its proximity to Arnold, is also swarming in loud asshole teenagers. they're white, but the annoying part is how they're loud assholes. so i go to the West County mall, which has a competent security team and isn't used as a daycare for obnoxious adolescents.
point being, every race has its own group of pain in the ass people, you may just not notice your own because you're around them more often. i know it's been said before but i feel the need to throw it out there, because, god DAMN are the white kids at Hot Topic annoying as fuck.

zeitgeist · 01-02-2010, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by LimeLite Racing

Lol. We need to educated ourselves.

And that entire post was 100% useless.

OMG you found one spelling error

heres a cookie for your worthless post

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Originally Posted by SR240DET

Don't hang around white people much? This is probably one of the most racist things said in this thread.

My best friend is white....
Its really not

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Originally Posted by singlecamslam

Zeitgest: i havent seen a single Jewish channel. I'm just saying Jews have the shit end of the stick in any situation. And i never hear a jew complain. And you are also an idiot for your last post. The KKK is a bad example if thats the all white group you're trying to portray. And i really dont see why latinos and blacks Need their own channels. We are all HUMANS, color of skin doesnt matter and all these black and hispanic channels arent nessasary.
They should focus on getting different minorities together and not further apart from each other.

Just because you havent seen one doesnt mean there isnt one

When did I just specifically state the KKK? I asked for one example of a group that was meant for whites only that hasn't turned to racist polices. Have you given me one? NO. Until you do stfu
Blacks and Latinos need there own channels because they deal with different issues than whites. I know its soooooo difficult for you and so many others to understand that. Yes we are all humans but treatment is still often different and there are still tons of issues that need to be brought out and definitely would not be if these channels did not exist. So there is your freaking reason. Leave the batcave and go see firsthand.
And Im in a freakin 3rd world country right now and can actually see how much groups like the NAACP hav advanced American society/race relations by a ton. You see in other countries where there aren't laws to protect against racism, dark skinned people are basically FUCKED. maybe you should fucking go somewhere before you start giving me all this kumbaya bullshit

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Originally Posted by future240

This in itself is a stupid statement. White only groups were racist because they were founded on this premise of excluding other groups which by itself is racist. The same goes for groups founded by other races (fraternities, gangs etc.). These are in different categories than NAACP.

You cannot say that all white groups will turn racist. Turning racist is different than a group being founded on racism. BTW if you analyze your statement then what you are really saying is that groups founded by a race that is for that race only will turn racist. Well that includes black people too.

I will be the first to admit that some "black" groups are racist. They not have started out that way, but eventually evolved into that. It is an easy path to see, ignorance + pride= believing you are better than someone else because of X. Same goes for any other group, but it is not all of them. You cannot let the bad things of some groups speak for the entire group of people. That is called generalizing and it is no difference than if somebody came up to you and said you like chicken and watermelon because you are black.

And if in your statement you were talking about just white people then that is racist of you.

As far as your channel comment. White people do NOT have their own channel. For the sake of this argument, black people do not either. BET is a channel that is "black" only in name. It is more of a shallow mimicry of black culture than anything. Despite its shittiness, BET is enjoyed (and hated) by people of all races, and owned by a white man.

Yet im still waiting on a name of a solely all white group meant for peace....
I analyzed my statement and no you are still wrong
Im not saying all white groups will become racist because in the future yeah i guess somebody could create one good for the community of all.
Im not meaning to generalize a whole race either. And Im not fucking racist, Im just pointing out history

LimeLite Racing · 01-02-2010, 02:30 PM

Shit, what is one cookie going to do for me? I need at least a whole box.

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Originally Posted by zeitgeist

You guys saying National association for the Advancement of colored people should be disbanded. You do know that there are white people and people of many other races that are members right? Better yet how many of you have been to a community event hosted by them? Thought so. Ive(insert apostrophe) been to countless communities where it not only helps blacks, but asians, hispanics, and even whites. NAACP is actually a very group (What the fuck is a very group?) that promotes education and improving the community. You guys should educated yourselves more about things then to just start criticizing. Just because there are some dildos that say stupid shit doesnt mean you need to hate on a whole group.

But ya (While we're at it, might as well just type the extra two letters) BET is trash. Like every other channel it is about the money. They are giving people what they want

And I laugh when a white person says why cant we have a white channel or or (Probably a stutter of nervousness) have all white groups? Well my answer is that throughout history when whites participate in activities like that they tend to get violent and go around killing minorities. Amirite (Is not a word, but separated, can do wonders)....(If you could spell right correctly)?

01-01-2010, 10:53 AM	#74
singlecamslam Post Whore! Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Norcal Posts: 2,531 Trader Rating: (10) Feedback Score: 10 reviews	I think Jews deserve a channel more than blacks and latinos, because if you really think about it, Jews had it really rough over the history, and you dont see them complaining about it. __________________ Nothing says racecar like a stock car with no interior.

01-01-2010, 01:07 PM	#76
HyperTek Post Whore! Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Cali Posts: 13,222 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	i cant wait for cinco de mayo! its gonna be a big celebration around my area lol.. so if they can do that, then sure, white people deserve a television station lol __________________ Keep it Classy

01-01-2010, 05:36 PM	#80
singlecamslam Post Whore! Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Norcal Posts: 2,531 Trader Rating: (10) Feedback Score: 10 reviews	Zeitgest: i havent seen a single Jewish channel. I'm just saying Jews have the shit end of the stick in any situation. And i never hear a jew complain. And you are also an idiot for your last post. The KKK is a bad example if thats the all white group you're trying to portray. And i really dont see why latinos and blacks Need their own channels. We are all HUMANS, color of skin doesnt matter and all these black and hispanic channels arent nessasary. They should focus on getting different minorities together and not further apart from each other. __________________ Nothing says racecar like a stock car with no interior.

01-01-2010, 07:14 PM	#82
singlecamslam Post Whore! Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Norcal Posts: 2,531 Trader Rating: (10) Feedback Score: 10 reviews	Dude PHLIP i would, but you write too damn much haha. __________________ Nothing says racecar like a stock car with no interior.

01-02-2010, 09:14 AM	#83
TheWolf Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Orange Park, FL (Jax) Posts: 1,468 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Let me just ask this. Is it racist to not like black culture? If I goto the mall and there's nothing but black kids walking around shouting at each other, wearing baggy ghetto clothes, looking like idiots.. is that racist to not want to goto that mall? Because if that's racist then I am. There are few things more annoying on the planet then 4 black males hanging out of a 89 caprice classic with 32" wheels on it hooting and hollering at every girl that walks by. See I don't want that around me. I don't want that in my neighborhood and I don't want that at my kids school. See this also follows to my cable channels. I don't want to flip through it on my TV. Thus it wouldn't hurt my feelings if BET went away. If I could buy channels ala carte. BET would be dropped like a rock. I feel it's whole purpose is to promote stereotypes. It's like your clicking through the channels and you flip through it.. "ooh just checking in... yep black people are still loud and obnoxious... don't want to hang around with that... next channel" It could just be an image problem. Maybe it's all some whites see so they assume that all blacks want a blinged old cop car that looks like a retarded fishing lure. It seems to seriously permeate most all black neighborhoods. As for the lack of black role models. You've got a black president. He's not blackish. He's black. There are no true "blacks". That's on the same line of saying only white kids with blond hair and blue eyes are "white". everyone else is "whiteish". The lack of role models could be tied to black culture. It seems engrained down here that black people can't succeed so there for why try. So they take on this black cultural image of loose clothing and non traditional hairstyles and then claim they can't get a job because they look like an idiot. It's kind of a self fullfilling mantra. __________________ Eye on the Prize

12-30-2009, 01:41 AM	#66
Mister.E Post Whore! Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Las Vegas Age: 36 Posts: 4,590 Trader Rating: (53) Feedback Score: 53 reviews	For real, that shit was genius. i agree with the NAACP be disbanded. it really has no more use in today's society. i do recognize that it was a good thing when it first started and it helped bring us to where we are today, but it is no longer needed. you are right, it is just another one of those things aiding in the segregation of our communities.

01-01-2010, 05:16 AM	#72
zeitgeist Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Cross Country Posts: 494 Trader Rating: (21) Feedback Score: 21 reviews	You guys saying National association for the Advancement of colored people should be disbanded. You do know that there are white people and people of many other races that are members right? Better yet how many of you have been to a community event hosted by them? Thought so. Ive been to countless communities where it not only helps blacks, but asians, hispanics, and even whites. NAACP is actually a very group that promotes education and improving the community. You guys should educated yourselves more about things then to just start criticizing. Just because there are some dildos that say stupid shit doesnt mean you need to hate on a whole group. But ya BET is trash. Like every other channel it is about the money. They are giving people what they want And I laugh when a white person says why cant we have a white channel or or have all white groups? Well my answer is that throughout history when whites participate in activities like that they tend to get violent and go around killing minorities. Amirite?

01-01-2010, 02:23 PM	#78
dynamicck Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: HB Posts: 406 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	Groups like NAACP were started because people of color were being oppressed. It was a means for them to have a voice as a collective group, rather than individuals. Lotta people complain how they "hate" how minorities get their own channel/group/whatever. I think 200 years of slavery is enough to warrant their own channel. Do I watch it? no Do I care? no There's so many complaints about "how come they get that, and we dont?" It's a land of equality... If you want it... make it, build it, do it, FIGHT FOR IT.

01-02-2010, 11:24 AM	#87
ronmcdon Post Whore! Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: beverly hills Age: 86 Posts: 4,254 Trader Rating: (6) Feedback Score: 6 reviews	is there anything wrong with acknowledging "ghetto culture", anymore than say "yuppie culture", "metros", "hill-billies", etc? Not saying such things are by nature, undesirable. I think it's fair to say there are always cultural eleements one finds more (or less) preferable.

01-02-2010, 12:33 PM	#88
BustedS13 Post Whore! Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Phoenix AZ Age: 36 Posts: 10,287 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	not wanting to be around "undesirables"... i mean, it's hard to make an argument against it because i'm pretty confident everyone feels the same way. i don't go to what used to be the "nice" mall in Clayton (i'm just going to use city names because fuck you if you don't know them, it doesn't matter) because ever since the Metrolink (STL's light rail system) got a stop down the block, it's been full of loud asshole teenagers. yeah, they're black, but the annoying part is how they're loud assholes. it's the same problem if i go to the mall in South County, which, due to its proximity to Arnold, is also swarming in loud asshole teenagers. they're white, but the annoying part is how they're loud assholes. so i go to the West County mall, which has a competent security team and isn't used as a daycare for obnoxious adolescents. point being, every race has its own group of pain in the ass people, you may just not notice your own because you're around them more often. i know it's been said before but i feel the need to throw it out there, because, god DAMN are the white kids at Hot Topic annoying as fuck. __________________

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