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Old 12-10-2017, 08:49 AM   #61
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The "Zilvia Purist" is all but gone in 2017. The same goes for most JDM car communities these days. There has been a boom of counterfeit/low tier products and this new generation eats it all up.

Thankfully that's only for the USA in general. Other countries are on that good, full JDM/quality parts thing. Most are just in it these days for the crime and counter-culture but not really about actual skill in driving or wrenching on the cars...
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i log in every now and than.. does that count? moved to an older S Chassis tho. But unlike majority of US S30 owners, I am pretty anal about trying to stay true to JDM styling.. There are parts that Japanese Zs just dont do (like plastic fender mirrors, poor fitting US made fender flares , fakeasswheels etc).
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i log in every now and than.. does that count? moved to an older S Chassis tho.
same here. i sold my 180sx but i wanna get an aristo or jzx90 in the future. you sir are a god among men with that s30. what gnose kit is that? do you have an ig?
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Don't let people whoring out their shitty cars ruin ones perception of what is and isn't still out there. Nice cars are still being built.

I've been enjoying my latest built. Not an S-chassis, but the same principle goes into building a Jzs as an S-chassis.
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same here. i sold my 180sx but i wanna get an aristo or jzx90 in the future. you sir are a god among men with that s30. what gnose kit is that? do you have an ig?
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i log in every now and than.. does that count? moved to an older S Chassis tho. But unlike majority of US S30 owners, I am pretty anal about trying to stay true to JDM styling.. There are parts that Japanese Zs just dont do (like plastic fender mirrors, poor fitting US made fender flares , fakeasswheels etc).
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There has been a boom of counterfeit/low tier products and this new generation eats it all up.
I couldn't agree more, but you have to admit the price is very alluring. Though it may not be the "right" way to fix/build a car, it gets a lot of people the opportunity to work on something without the large cost of original parts.

it is not that people are buying cheap aero that erks me, but the effort level to make what you have be a finished product.

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The whole instant gratification thing with what seems like mostly the younger generation is so true, not to say all of them are like that though.
Expect to get parts that do not fit well, and expect to do some modification to them. It takes time and a whole lot of effort to meet the fitment and look of quality parts and that is the trade-off in price.

This is what I don't understand about "purists", holding a standard that they have set for themselves and expecting others to adhere to it. There are many builds on here using second hand parts and the only thing that separates them (already said a few times on this forum) is the execution.
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I fucking hate the word "pursuit" and anyone that feels the need to call them self one and tell others how to build their car can close their gaping mouth hole and fuck right off. If you're that close minded, thinking your car is the "right" way to build around any chassis, you have no business being part of any car community.

If you've got respect for the chassis you are building around there is no reason for anyone to be giving you shit about your build. I've seen a ton of cars that are not my cup of tea, but I have to respect the time and effort people put into their cars to get them the way they want it. I can't hate on someone doing everything right, just in a different way then I would do it.

Yes, people ruin cars with shitty parts, horrible fab work and simply not giving a shit all the time. We've got a thread to make fun of these idiots, but if someone is just building a car that doesn't really conform to the "norm", leave them alone or find a way to support them with constructive criticism or advice instead of trying to spread the devine word of your holy savior OEM+.

Am I a pursuit, hell no. My car is considered a bastard in the Z32 world, but that doesn't stop me from putting all of the best parts I can afford into it and building it how I want.
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Purism is stupid. It's one thing to take some styling cues from the early 2000's, but for fucks sake it's 2017. All that time capsule JDM early 2000 bullshit needs to stop. The technology and support has advanced greatly for these cars, get used to it.


Also, I see alot of you dorks hard parking your shit in some trendy back drop with some cut rate photo just for instagram. Lame.
Go and do something cool. Making a pseudo drift car and pretending you're about the culture is dumb if all you do is stance park the car.
Fucking weeaboo's.

Also also; just cause you have fancy, brand-name parts doesn't mean you know how to build/work on cars. I see so many "quality" builds that are hot messes from lack of mechanical aptitude. Be it the owners or previous shops; just cause its fancy with a price tag doesn't mean you know what you're doing.

Also 3x: For the love of all things holy please stop coveting used Bride seats made over a decade ago. Y'all are buying used stuff that someone sharted in for the better part of 15 years. Gross.

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Purism is stupid. It's one thing to take some styling cues from the early 2000's, but for fucks sake it's 2017. All that time capsule JDM early 2000 bullshit needs to stop. The technology and support has advanced greatly for these cars, get used to it.


Also, I see alot of you dorks hard parking your shit in some trendy back drop with some cut rate photo just for instagram. Lame.
Go and do something cool. Making a pseudo drift car and pretending you're about the culture is dumb if all you do is stance park the car.
Fucking weeaboo's.

Also also; just cause you have fancy, brand-name parts doesn't mean you know how to build/work on cars. I see so many "quality" builds that are hot messes from lack of mechanical aptitude. Be it the owners or previous shops; just cause its fancy with a price tag doesn't mean you know what you're doing.

Also 3x: For the love of all things holy please stop coveting used Bride seats made over a decade ago. Y'all are buying used stuff that someone sharted in for the better part of 15 years. Gross.

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i get what ur saying but you seem so angry about the early 240 crowd. (based on ur join date on being some what recent.)n
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Expect to get parts that do not fit well, and expect to do some modification to them. It takes time and a whole lot of effort to meet the fitment and look of quality parts and that is the trade-off in price.

This is what I don't understand about "purists", holding a standard that they have set for themselves and expecting others to adhere to it. There are many builds on here using second hand parts and the only thing that separates them (already said a few times on this forum) is the execution.
Confused as to why you quoted my post to say this. Aside from the fact it has nothing to do with what I said, I'm not sure I understand what your trying to say here hahah
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All you dinosaurs fossilize already.
Says the kid defending shitty 'done-did-it-ma'self' work in the DIW thread. I'll send you a participation trophy in the mail. Until then, get fucked.

'Dinosaurs'...most of us are under 30. We're just not massive fucking dipshits.

This whole thread can be ended simply: you either 'get it' or you don't. Whatever your chosen path is with this chassis you either know what's up or you're just fucking it up. Restomod, purist, drift, stance guys, track guys, and daily driver builds...you can always tell who's going in the right direction for their chosen path. You can even mix and match some of them..but it's the culture vultures that try to dabble in it all for recognition that normally fuck up. The dudes that take shortcuts, the people that try their hand at custom fab work, do a shit job, but leave it and defend it because 'they did it themself', the guys following fads. They all fucking suck. Dudes like the guy I quoted bitching about people hiding behind 'cop out' criticisms then saying everyone against instant gratification is a dinosaur (irony) are just around to make some fucking noise while people will listen.

It is what it is. My ever-evolving understanding of this thread and the word 'purist' leads me to believe that you an be a purist in a chosen path...and you either fucking get it or you suck shit.
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Really? I kind of like that word
Its fine if you love a certain chassis and hold you own opinions to a high standard, but when you run around calling yourself a pursuit telling others how to build their cars you are just a close minded prick. I've always just associated pursuit negatively with people like that...

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Purism is stupid. It's one thing to take some styling cues from the early 2000's, but for fucks sake it's 2017. All that time capsule JDM early 2000 bullshit needs to stop. The technology and support has advanced greatly for these cars, get used to it.


Also, I see alot of you dorks hard parking your shit in some trendy back drop with some cut rate photo just for instagram. Lame.
Go and do something cool. Making a pseudo drift car and pretending you're about the culture is dumb if all you do is stance park the car.
Fucking weeaboo's.

Also also; just cause you have fancy, brand-name parts doesn't mean you know how to build/work on cars. I see so many "quality" builds that are hot messes from lack of mechanical aptitude. Be it the owners or previous shops; just cause its fancy with a price tag doesn't mean you know what you're doing.

Also 3x: For the love of all things holy please stop coveting used Bride seats made over a decade ago. Y'all are buying used stuff that someone sharted in for the better part of 15 years. Gross.

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Purism is stupid. It's one thing to take some styling cues from the early 2000's, but for fucks sake it's 2017. All that time capsule JDM early 2000 bullshit needs to stop. The technology and support has advanced greatly for these cars, get used to it.


Also, I see alot of you dorks hard parking your shit in some trendy back drop with some cut rate photo just for instagram. Lame.
Go and do something cool. Making a pseudo drift car and pretending you're about the culture is dumb if all you do is stance park the car.
Fucking weeaboo's.

Also also; just cause you have fancy, brand-name parts doesn't mean you know how to build/work on cars. I see so many "quality" builds that are hot messes from lack of mechanical aptitude. Be it the owners or previous shops; just cause its fancy with a price tag doesn't mean you know what you're doing.

Also 3x: For the love of all things holy please stop coveting used Bride seats made over a decade ago. Y'all are buying used stuff that someone sharted in for the better part of 15 years. Gross.

Sorry not sorry.
This is almost like saying a period correct muscle car is lame because there's "new technology".
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Do you not like PURSUIT, such as the one for happiness
I'm referring to calling yourself a pursuit, we should all pursue goals in life, but when you go from pursuing your own goals to trying to tell other how to pursue theirs, you should reconsider what you are doing.

I dunno, I come from the Z32 community and I've been harassed so many times for running certain offset wheels, being too low, etc that I just hate the idea of pursuits trying to make everyone follow their way of thinking a car should be built.
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I'm referring to calling yourself a pursuit, we should all pursue goals in life, but when you go from pursuing your own goals to trying to tell other how to pursue theirs, you should reconsider what you are doing.

I dunno, I come from the Z32 community and I've been harassed so many times for running certain offset wheels, being too low, etc that I just hate the idea of pursuits trying to make everyone follow their way of thinking a car should be built.
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Old 12-12-2017, 09:26 AM   #87
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You been arguing all this time over a grammatical error.
Well I'm retarded, let that be on the record. Still somewhat applies though, I need to work on my reading skills
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i get what ur saying but you seem so angry about the early 240 crowd. (based on ur join date on being some what recent.)n
It's mostly the younger dudes who nut swing over that "golden era" but don't have any knowledge or talent that piss me off. They just slap beat up parts on and tug themselves off about how "neato" their cars are.

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This is almost like saying a period correct muscle car is lame because there's "new technology".
No, paying homage to a past era is one thing but you shouldn't ever set yourself behind just because "its what they used to do".

Support for the SR20 here in the states is so far behind. Why? Cause y'all don't want to do new shit. Nistune is a real powerful tuning option, but its not popular. You all want to keep chip tuning your shit or using Power FCs. Or blowing stuff up with megasquirt. Z32 MAF Upgrade? Why do that when you have the access to the newest MAF from the r35? Its so affordable and the VE table is so refined...

Here is the example that I like to give:

On Youtube, there is a 90's CarBoy GP Drift competition where drivers are judged on solo runs. We're talking EARLY 90's Japan. Dudes still in Starlets, AE86' a few old Datsun, CA Powered S13's... Just having fun in cheap cars, right?

And then BAM; Two dudes are competing with a (then new) E30 M3 and an R32 GTR. Two cars that were the PINNACLE of motorsport technology in that era.

Are you gonna tell me that the other guys in the S-chassis or TE/AE chassis wouldn't use whatever they could to give themselves a fighting chance?
If they had the access to the parts and tricks that we have now, you don't think they'd be using them?
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I don't even think you can define "purist" anymore.

Look closely to videos coming out of japan now a days, they run cheap parts all the time too. Knock off wheels, crappy steering wheels and interior parts, generic suspension arms galore.

I think a lot of us see Japan and the "purist" mentality through rose colored glasses.

In reality, as long as the cars are true to style, I don't think anyone really cares anymore. Just keep it lowish, painted one color, and cohesive in the chosen style and it should always look good. Of course I respect people out there still doing it by the book with all legit everything, but when I see kids running US market or replica parts, I really can't be mad as long as it looks like it was put together with care.

As for my own car, I follow the 00' styling, but my parts are about 50/50 replica versus real. Basically if its key to safe and reliable operation like a radiator, clutch, diff or turbo, real parts only. But for things like aero, intercooler piping, exhausts and the like, I really couldn't care less.
I've tried sticking to the JDM quality only tip for the longest time, but it's too expensive when you actually drift and drive the car on public streets. I go through a body kit every year, that on top of tires and entry fees... it's it's not feasible to buy brand new JDM or pay for shipping costs for used stuff from across the ocean.

If a replica company can issue something that isn't safety critical, and it works just as well, you'll see me on it.

I just bought a CX racing intercooler set up for my car because I have end of year events I'm trying to make and didn't want to spend twice as much for the real thing. If it breaks because of low quality I may consider getting a JDM one, but they're still not built for my KA-T motorset...

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It's mostly the younger dudes who nut swing over that "golden era" but don't have any knowledge or talent that piss me off. They just slap beat up parts on and tug themselves off about how "neato" their cars are.



No, paying homage to a past era is one thing but you shouldn't ever set yourself behind just because "its what they used to do".

Support for the SR20 here in the states is so far behind. Why? Cause y'all don't want to do new shit. Nistune is a real powerful tuning option, but its not popular. You all want to keep chip tuning your shit or using Power FCs. Or blowing stuff up with megasquirt. Z32 MAF Upgrade? Why do that when you have the access to the newest MAF from the r35? Its so affordable and the VE table is so refined...

Here is the example that I like to give:

On Youtube, there is a 90's CarBoy GP Drift competition where drivers are judged on solo runs. We're talking EARLY 90's Japan. Dudes still in Starlets, AE86' a few old Datsun, CA Powered S13's... Just having fun in cheap cars, right?

And then BAM; Two dudes are competing with a (then new) E30 M3 and an R32 GTR. Two cars that were the PINNACLE of motorsport technology in that era.

Are you gonna tell me that the other guys in the S-chassis or TE/AE chassis wouldn't use whatever they could to give themselves a fighting chance?
If they had the access to the parts and tricks that we have now, you don't think they'd be using them?
Why we're still using the old tech is.. it's there, and it works.

I'm into drifting. 3 or 4 years ago, PBM was all the rage. I fell into the hype, bought their coils, arms, subframe risers the whole nine yards.

Only to have all that bullshit flipped on it's head when Naoki, grass roots drifter put everything we thought we knew about drifting on its head.

Dude slays formula d drivers in 600hp cars with all of the leading edge suspension mods on the most technical courses. But he does this with the fabled 15+ year old suspension and tuning you're downplaying.

As for the newer stuff, using new mafs, new tunes, new tech requires someone developing it.

People that have that kind of skill and talent and do it well, they do it for money. V35 maf... I don't even know where to find one, let alone bother looking for one because I have no idea how to set it up.

I can get a Z maf and enthalpy for less than $400. I can do that by buying used parts.

When someone starts developing cheap R35 tunes using mostly OEM quality parts,l maybe the rest community along with myself will consider it, otherwise we're going to continue using our old tech.
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