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Dousan_PG · 03-14-2008, 05:43 PM

ill compare w/ my stance this weekend

IM NOT KNOCKING STANCE!

I LOVE STANCE
just i upgraded brands, DG-5 is use by most of the Pros i know (D1GP, D1SL and FD)
!

I LOVE STANCE
best dudes ever: touge factory
those guys always have helped me out.
i wouldnt be where i am now if it wasnt for them!!!

jobestudios · 03-14-2008, 09:45 PM

Basically, its one of those if you have $1300 to spend on coilovers, get stance, but if you have $2500 to spend on coilovers, get DG5?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dousan_PG

ill compare w/ my stance this weekend

IM NOT KNOCKING STANCE!

I LOVE STANCE
just i upgraded brands, DG-5 is use by most of the Pros i know (D1GP, D1SL and FD)
!

I LOVE STANCE
best dudes ever: touge factory
those guys always have helped me out.
i wouldnt be where i am now if it wasnt for them!!!

Ian · 03-14-2008, 09:49 PM

How much are DG-5?

I'd really like to know the scientific differences that make this a better driving coilover for drifting.

Brian · 03-14-2008, 09:50 PM

Dousan is the king.

lflkajfj12123 · 03-14-2008, 09:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ian

How much are DG-5?

I'd really like to know the scientific differences that make this a better driving coilover for drifting.

http://www.racer.nl/reference/carphys.htm#susploc

Dousan_PG · 03-14-2008, 09:52 PM

check the site, retail pricing is there.
i dont know what it is otherwise.

to jobestudios, yeah
its like that for anything

i could buy extreme dimensions aero
or i can go w/ BN sports
i took the latter.

ebay turbo vs garrett
te37s vs mb motorings

its all a choice. pick what u want and do it.
i dont buy stuff to appease other people
i buy what i want

hellaflush · 03-14-2008, 09:59 PM

helper springs? ugh... already turned off by them

ill stick with my silks

Dousan_PG · 03-14-2008, 10:01 PM

what?
helper springs are the shit
best thing u could EVER do on coilovers

are you high???

Ian · 03-14-2008, 10:51 PM

Helper springs just keep the main spring captive when the shock fully extends right?

What else do the do?

haha suspension 101...I feel like I don't know shit

Dousan_PG · 03-14-2008, 10:53 PM

lowers the shock piston in the 'sweet spot'
gives u full range of the shock
especially when ur car is low, the shock doesnt compress all tha tmuch w/ a high spring rate
u get more shock travel

use full rebound/compression

on a good shock, thats good.

also yes keeps your shock in place if u have the wheels off the ground
either jumping at the track or change wheels or leaving driveways

i use to always lift wheels front and rear
when it sets BANG loud noise while it sets back down

i dont get that anymore w/ helpers springs.

cxlo8331 · 03-14-2008, 11:01 PM

um, my pants are tight.

**mrmephistopheles** · 03-15-2008, 06:49 AM

Damn.
I wish I was into drifting more so I could justify buying these. These are the first new coils in a long while that don't look chintzy to me.

I especially love that the bottom of the rear shocks doesn't taper to a 10mm diameter, and that the front shock mounts are braced like crazy.

Aeroscraper326 · 03-15-2008, 10:39 AM

Just ordered a set.. Swift springs 10k/12k.
Can't wait!

Dousan what spring rates?

Ian · 03-15-2008, 10:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dousan_PG

lowers the shock piston in the 'sweet spot'
gives u full range of the shock
especially when ur car is low, the shock doesnt compress all tha tmuch w/ a high spring rate
u get more shock travel

use full rebound/compression

on a good shock, thats good.

ah cool stuff, did not know this

I have STANCE GR+ right now and frankly, I'm not good enough to notice the difference in a better coilover system IMO. Maybe one day I can get a set of these though

initial_drifter · 03-15-2008, 11:05 AM

Think the price might be that high cuz it's made by Kei Office?

hopefully when i'm done paying my bill i'll be able to get a set

raen419 · 03-15-2008, 11:17 AM

Looks good Aaron.
I'm interested to hear your review...esp. compared to Stance GR+ Pro.
I'm not a fan of Stance after seeing shock dynos, but I would imagine for $2500, these shocks are far better.

Aeroscraper326 · 03-15-2008, 11:33 AM

Stance makes great coils for a great price, switch the springs and you will be satisfied up until a very high level of driving.

I know alot of people who run stances, on the streets, the tracks and the Pro circuit blah blah. These people hold licenses ranging from NOPI to FD to D1. And All of them are quite happy with stances. Especially for the price.

Plus, all the lower end stuff comes from the same country (taiwan), unlike the DG-5.
The thing is, most of you only get coilovers to lower your car, improve handling, and to say you have coilovers. Can the lower end stuff perform like the 2.5k+ stuff, of course not. But, 90% of you cannot drive well enough, and do not drive hard enough to tell the difference, or for it to matter. Coilovers are a big investment and will improve your driving. and i doubt that you will be dissatisfied by Stance.

But the only thing that really matter (ESPECIALLY for drifting..oh wait, make that any motor sport) is seat time and the driver himself.

IIIXziuR · 03-15-2008, 12:03 PM

Shit man this thread is awesome.
Congrats on everything sir!!!!

THE CLOCK SAYS: PARTY TIME

KiDyNomiTe · 03-15-2008, 12:11 PM

Although some disagree to these kinds of plots.

http://www.tougefactory.com/blog/?p=25

DG-5s are the shit in Japan though. Let us know how they compare, they should feel fairly similar.

articdragon192 · 03-15-2008, 01:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dousan_PG

lowers the shock piston in the 'sweet spot'
gives u full range of the shock
especially when ur car is low, the shock doesnt compress all tha tmuch w/ a high spring rate
u get more shock travel

use full rebound/compression

on a good shock, thats good.

also yes keeps your shock in place if u have the wheels off the ground
either jumping at the track or change wheels or leaving driveways

i use to always lift wheels front and rear
when it sets BANG loud noise while it sets back down

i dont get that anymore w/ helpers springs.

So does this mean taking out preload to lower the shock piston is a good thing if done properly?

raen419 · 03-15-2008, 01:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aeroscraper326

Stance makes great coils for a great price, switch the springs and you will be satisfied up until a very high level of driving.

I know alot of people who run stances, on the streets, the tracks and the Pro circuit blah blah. These people hold licenses ranging from NOPI to FD to D1. And All of them are quite happy with stances. Especially for the price.

Plus, all the lower end stuff comes from the same country (taiwan), unlike the DG-5.
The thing is, most of you only get coilovers to lower your car, improve handling, and to say you have coilovers. Can the lower end stuff perform like the 2.5k+ stuff, of course not. But, 90% of you cannot drive well enough, and do not drive hard enough to tell the difference, or for it to matter. Coilovers are a big investment and will improve your driving. and i doubt that you will be dissatisfied by Stance.

But the only thing that really matter (ESPECIALLY for drifting..oh wait, make that any motor sport) is seat time and the driver himself.

Very true statement, mostly.
I prefer Koni though...plus I like putting things together myself (Koni 8610 is in the works after I have the cash, and feel like getting rid of my Tein HE).
Btw, KiD, nice post. I like the dyno for the DG-5's. Very impressive. I wonder if they make/build their shocks, or outsource.

Ian · 03-15-2008, 07:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KiDyNomiTe

Although some disagree to these kinds of plots.

http://www.tougefactory.com/blog/?p=25

DG-5s are the shit in Japan though. Let us know how they compare, they should feel fairly similar.

so is this saying w/ swift springs, STANCE would be a relatively close second to DG-5 in on track feel and performance?

raen419 · 03-15-2008, 10:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ian

so is this saying w/ swift springs, STANCE would be a relatively close second to DG-5 in on track feel and performance?

Supposing that the plots posted were 100% accurate, yes.
Most would not even notice the difference though.
I would imagine Aaron will though. Over the years, he's got more seat time than most on this forum.

lflkajfj12123 · 03-15-2008, 11:56 PM

from swift springs usa's site

assist springs

Quote:

Assist springs have two functions. The first is the spring adds a progressive rate to the initial portion of the stroke. This progression can add increased comfort is used on a daily driver coilover setup that has stiff springs installed. It provides racers added softer spring rate progression. Once the assist crushes, the normal spring rate will take over.
The second job is the same as helper springs. They prevent the loss of traction during rebound, and extreme cornering.

Quote:

Assist springs are designed to repeatedly be fully crushed. Every assist spring crushes to the same height. That allows drivers to change assist springs without resetting the spring perch on coilover without changing ride height.

helper springs

Quote:

Swift helper springs are specially designed to provide minimal effect on spring rate. Using helper springs allows the spring to stay firmly on its perch when the shock has negative or zero load. Driver should use helper springs if they experience springs coming loose from their perch and/or they can not preload the main spring because of car height issue.

McRussellPants · 03-16-2008, 09:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by raen419

I would imagine Aaron will though. Over the years, he's got more seat time than most on this forum.

hahahahaha.

Shock dyno kinda makes me want to Chechen out those racing gears.

Kouki-Fiend · 03-16-2008, 10:40 AM

Very nice but way too deep in the baller status for me to pick up......with a full time job. In the future maybe I just can justify buying a coilover set that costs more then my engine and trans.

silnismo · 03-16-2008, 11:08 AM

wow, never seen a coilover having supports on where the bottom mounts up to.

is it necessary? probably not

is it kool? VERY!

Dousan_PG · 03-16-2008, 12:44 PM

yeah they are sweet as hell. everyone loves them they are amazing

compared w/stance same compression/rebound? etc..er....we'll see

i talked w/ a few friends that drive in the USA and they were like..er....probably not

ok so anyways it goes on today after brunch here and ill take some pics of the 2

we'll see how it goe on the track, thats where the real test is!

Edgar · 03-16-2008, 12:56 PM

these look like money

SoSideways · 03-17-2008, 08:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KiDyNomiTe

Although some disagree to these kinds of plots.

http://www.tougefactory.com/blog/?p=25

DG-5s are the shit in Japan though. Let us know how they compare, they should feel fairly similar.

The DG-5s are much softer initially between 0 and 0.1m/sec, so I would imagine they would soak up bumps much better than the Stance.

03-14-2008, 05:43 PM	#31
Dousan_PG Post Whore! Join Date: May 2002 Location: Orange County, California Age: 42 Posts: 16,640 Trader Rating: (23) Rides Gallery: Dousan_PG Feedback Score: 23 reviews	ill compare w/ my stance this weekend IM NOT KNOCKING STANCE! I LOVE STANCE just i upgraded brands, DG-5 is use by most of the Pros i know (D1GP, D1SL and FD) ! I LOVE STANCE best dudes ever: touge factory those guys always have helped me out. i wouldnt be where i am now if it wasnt for them!!! __________________ Aaron Pink GodziRa www.geocities.com/pink_godzira

03-14-2008, 09:50 PM	#34
Brian Post Whore! Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: usa Posts: 12,840 Trader Rating: (54) Rides Gallery: Brian Feedback Score: 54 reviews	Dousan is the king. __________________ http://bhworld.wordpress.com/

03-14-2008, 09:52 PM	#36
Dousan_PG Post Whore! Join Date: May 2002 Location: Orange County, California Age: 42 Posts: 16,640 Trader Rating: (23) Rides Gallery: Dousan_PG Feedback Score: 23 reviews	check the site, retail pricing is there. i dont know what it is otherwise. to jobestudios, yeah its like that for anything i could buy extreme dimensions aero or i can go w/ BN sports i took the latter. ebay turbo vs garrett te37s vs mb motorings its all a choice. pick what u want and do it. i dont buy stuff to appease other people i buy what i want __________________ Aaron Pink GodziRa www.geocities.com/pink_godzira

03-14-2008, 10:01 PM	#38
Dousan_PG Post Whore! Join Date: May 2002 Location: Orange County, California Age: 42 Posts: 16,640 Trader Rating: (23) Rides Gallery: Dousan_PG Feedback Score: 23 reviews	what? helper springs are the shit best thing u could EVER do on coilovers are you high??? __________________ Aaron Pink GodziRa www.geocities.com/pink_godzira

03-14-2008, 10:53 PM	#40
Dousan_PG Post Whore! Join Date: May 2002 Location: Orange County, California Age: 42 Posts: 16,640 Trader Rating: (23) Rides Gallery: Dousan_PG Feedback Score: 23 reviews	lowers the shock piston in the 'sweet spot' gives u full range of the shock especially when ur car is low, the shock doesnt compress all tha tmuch w/ a high spring rate u get more shock travel use full rebound/compression on a good shock, thats good. also yes keeps your shock in place if u have the wheels off the ground either jumping at the track or change wheels or leaving driveways i use to always lift wheels front and rear when it sets BANG loud noise while it sets back down i dont get that anymore w/ helpers springs. __________________ Aaron Pink GodziRa www.geocities.com/pink_godzira

03-14-2008, 09:59 PM	#37
hellaflush Zilvia Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: australia Age: 34 Posts: 281 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	helper springs? ugh... already turned off by them ill stick with my silks

03-14-2008, 11:01 PM	#41
cxlo8331 Nissanaholic! Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Feasting on the flesh of the guilty, and drinking the blood of the innocent (714) Posts: 1,751 Trader Rating: (17) Rides Gallery: cxlo8331 Feedback Score: 17 reviews	um, my pants are tight. __________________ -Carlo

03-15-2008, 10:39 AM	#43
Aeroscraper326 Zilvia Addict Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Rio Rancho, NM Posts: 995 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Just ordered a set.. Swift springs 10k/12k. Can't wait! Dousan what spring rates? __________________

03-15-2008, 11:05 AM	#45
initial_drifter Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Mill Creek Posts: 380 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Think the price might be that high cuz it's made by Kei Office? hopefully when i'm done paying my bill i'll be able to get a set

03-15-2008, 11:17 AM	#46
raen419 Zilvia Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Jasper, AL Age: 38 Posts: 253 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Looks good Aaron. I'm interested to hear your review...esp. compared to Stance GR+ Pro. I'm not a fan of Stance after seeing shock dynos, but I would imagine for $2500, these shocks are far better.

03-15-2008, 11:33 AM	#47
Aeroscraper326 Zilvia Addict Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Rio Rancho, NM Posts: 995 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Stance makes great coils for a great price, switch the springs and you will be satisfied up until a very high level of driving. I know alot of people who run stances, on the streets, the tracks and the Pro circuit blah blah. These people hold licenses ranging from NOPI to FD to D1. And All of them are quite happy with stances. Especially for the price. Plus, all the lower end stuff comes from the same country (taiwan), unlike the DG-5. The thing is, most of you only get coilovers to lower your car, improve handling, and to say you have coilovers. Can the lower end stuff perform like the 2.5k+ stuff, of course not. But, 90% of you cannot drive well enough, and do not drive hard enough to tell the difference, or for it to matter. Coilovers are a big investment and will improve your driving. and i doubt that you will be dissatisfied by Stance. But the only thing that really matter (ESPECIALLY for drifting..oh wait, make that any motor sport) is seat time and the driver himself. __________________

03-15-2008, 12:03 PM	#48
IIIXziuR Post Whore! Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Left Hand Path Posts: 2,652 Trader Rating: (22) Feedback Score: 22 reviews	Shit man this thread is awesome. Congrats on everything sir!!!! THE CLOCK SAYS: PARTY TIME

03-15-2008, 12:11 PM	#49
KiDyNomiTe Post Whore! Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Chicago Age: 35 Posts: 6,296 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: KiDyNomiTe Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Although some disagree to these kinds of plots. http://www.tougefactory.com/blog/?p=25 DG-5s are the shit in Japan though. Let us know how they compare, they should feel fairly similar. __________________ PROCEED Grip Gambler

03-16-2008, 10:40 AM	#56
Kouki-Fiend Leaky Injector Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Fort Hood, TX Age: 36 Posts: 135 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: Kouki-Fiend Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Very nice but way too deep in the baller status for me to pick up......with a full time job. In the future maybe I just can justify buying a coilover set that costs more then my engine and trans. __________________ 95 240SX KA - S14 Blacktop sitting in garage

03-16-2008, 11:08 AM	#57
silnismo Zilvia Addict Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: NJ! Age: 34 Posts: 730 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	wow, never seen a coilover having supports on where the bottom mounts up to. is it necessary? probably not is it kool? VERY!

03-16-2008, 12:44 PM	#58
Dousan_PG Post Whore! Join Date: May 2002 Location: Orange County, California Age: 42 Posts: 16,640 Trader Rating: (23) Rides Gallery: Dousan_PG Feedback Score: 23 reviews	yeah they are sweet as hell. everyone loves them they are amazing compared w/stance same compression/rebound? etc..er....we'll see i talked w/ a few friends that drive in the USA and they were like..er....probably not ok so anyways it goes on today after brunch here and ill take some pics of the 2 we'll see how it goe on the track, thats where the real test is! __________________ Aaron Pink GodziRa www.geocities.com/pink_godzira

03-16-2008, 12:56 PM	#59
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