turboshoebox

So while I know now a days it's pretty popular for many to purchase what ever is the best bang for the buck no matter where it came from but any purists left on this board?

While I may not be a fan of mishimoto radiators, Seibon hoods, xxr wheels, ISR, fortune auto coils, Grip Royal, etc people get them due to still getting the job done.

I do love seeing a jdm full jdm parts/styling car.

feito

While Im not by any means a purist, I do appreciate the practice. Like I've said lots of times before, Im sick of seeing ls's in every damn popular jdm chassis out there.
Altought, imho, being a purist doesn't mean your car's gotta look like a clown car like the one posted. I mean, the wheels aren;t even matching, and idgaf what brand and how rare they are. And is that a "hoonigan" sticker? jajajaja NO....

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brndck

1. its literally a drift car, at a drift event. mismatching spares are an extremely common practice

2. Hert drives with animal style. why would a hoonigan sticker surprise you?

3. please stop before you hurt yourself

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FaLKoN240

This guy is pretty self-righteous and thinks he's the only opinion when it comes to cars. I don't bother informing or disagreeing with him anymore.

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simmode1

You have an interesting definition of "purist", turboshoebox... When I think "purist", I think OEM+ or basically restomod.
I think you're looking for circa 2002 drift style, which ain't a bad thing. That's what Final Bout was all about.

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sidewaysil80

I'm with simmode1. I think you're into the late 90's/early 2000's scene in Japan. If thats what you are referencing, I too am a fan. I just started a build and am going for that look. However, after pissing away countless dollars over the years on track cars and a feature car and essentially "growing up" with kids/family, I now prioritize my disposable income a little better.


I literally just ordered OEM nissan internals/Tomei engine components for a long block rebuild. Hell, I spent 3x more refurbishing a OEM 5 lug setup than what an aftermarket one would have cost. If the part isn't critical and simplistic in function/design, I don't mind priortizing spending and going with cheaper alternatives.

tuzzio

Not really what i'd call a "purist". I like the IDEA of that kind've shit, but im not dropping 2K on 326 power coilovers when fortune autos are stout and can be serviced here in the states. Not spending crazy money on ikeya formula suspension arms either when plenty of other brands work and perform the same job.

Just my personal opinion. Ball out on rare parts that are cool, not extra money for the same function unless safety/strength is being compromised.

CamryOnBronze

I think there are more people left on Zilvia that have a "purist/2001" mindset than younger folks following the current trends. There are not many consistent users left, but I think most of the ones that remain are people that have been around these cars for years and have a similar mindset to what you are describing.

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CrimsonRockett

Definitely agree with you on Fortune Auto and adjustable arms. I'm running two sets (510 series and Dreadnought) and have had zero issues with them. Running Ikeya Formula on the S15 simply because it already had them. Otherwise, I would be running SPL.

Pretty much. I don't feel like a purist by any means, I'm just stuck with the OE styling on these cars. I do admire a lot of the aftermarket aero out there, but considering my current lifestyle (60% work, 35% family, 5% cars), I just wanted my street cars to look classy and grab the right attention.

I can admit to almost having bailed on my projects due to priorities, but now I'm really glad I stuck it through.

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Sailor

Like some of the other guys, I too was thinking a different definition of purest- more so the OEM guys with the super clean and original cars. Shoutout because those are by far my favorite restoration projects/builds on this forum

TheRealSy90

I'll just say my GPSports G-Master coilovers ride better than my Fortune Auto's did, and they were cheaper.

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simmode1

That's Hert's car? I thought he drove that LS FC3S... I can't keep up with all these guys...lol

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brndck

this was Julian Jacob's car. It has since been replaced with a s13 silvia.
Hert does have the FC3S, it was LQ powered, and now has gone back to rotary.

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simmode1

Ahhh... I was so confused... lol thanks
This thread needs more pics. Be the hero we need, but don't deserve.

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tacotacotaco

So on the topic of Purist. Honestly what it really boils down to is what you want. Being someone who started his first steps on this car forum to owning Corner3motorsports and starting the Nissan Challenge and Subaru Challenge series things I thought I knew about or my understanding of brands and parts has totally changed and I keep learning more everday.

Japanese Brands. Back then Japan was at the fore front of the car world. Every part was based in racing and performance that's what they were developed for and trickled down into the aftermarket. Parts based, on pefromance. In today's world to keep up with competition from the US, China and other producers there has been a decline in quality mainly to keep up with competition. Any consumer that thinks oh its Japanese and marks it as good shit still has the lingering influence of the past. Some Japanese "brands" now a days are really no better than China stuff. They just did better marketing and put some japanese fonts and heritage around it. Really anything good you have to be a bit in the know to understand since those companies still have the mindset of catering to racing and Don't really market to our demographics.

Instant Gratification and Social Media: A lot of the new enthusiast were born into ease of access and instant gratication having it now getting what they want now without much thought into the why. With the shift away from brick and motor shops and everyone's ability to "Open their own thing" and e-commerce has taken a lot of the knowledge base away. Social media now has influencers. New enthusiast see those cars and mimic them. I never fault them most of them don't really know any better. When they start to mimic the rhyme and reason on how the car got that way gets lost and you just get a jumble of parts and attempts to get a look but not the performance.

But anyways I can go on foooor days but we will do that another day.

In short to build a good community you have to educate, have good communication. You'll be surprised how many customers I have that could have ended up being ricers but when you build a good relationship and help them you get better builds. A lot of stuff people have asked for I basically asked the question why and thats how the conversation started and all of a sudden they know more they know better and are now able to make better descisions and purchases vs slapping whatever is on.



Dont Mind the paint. Spirit Rei Splitters great look! The front can not withstand track use. One of those compomises because I still wanted to be cool. They will be saved for street use not track



This seibon hood looks cool thats about it. The vents arent in the proper location. A great example of knowing better would have influenced my decision on a better hood. If you just want the look go for it. Saves weight.

tacotacotaco

I would consider im still in the purist mode. Working in the industry does change the way I look at products since I have better insight. I choose parts depending on what performs the best. My car does rock c-west aero, craft square mirrors, bn sport hood, endless brake pads and zeal function x coils.

turboshoebox

Right on dude

LockOn!

I don't even think you can define "purist" anymore.

Look closely to videos coming out of japan now a days, they run cheap parts all the time too. Knock off wheels, crappy steering wheels and interior parts, generic suspension arms galore.

I think a lot of us see Japan and the "purist" mentality through rose colored glasses.

In reality, as long as the cars are true to style, I don't think anyone really cares anymore. Just keep it lowish, painted one color, and cohesive in the chosen style and it should always look good. Of course I respect people out there still doing it by the book with all legit everything, but when I see kids running US market or replica parts, I really can't be mad as long as it looks like it was put together with care.

As for my own car, I follow the 00' styling, but my parts are about 50/50 replica versus real. Basically if its key to safe and reliable operation like a radiator, clutch, diff or turbo, real parts only. But for things like aero, intercooler piping, exhausts and the like, I really couldn't care less.

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i like seeing that there is interest still in old aero parts and livery and that its making a return to our scene again after years and years of it being considered outmoded with the wave of rocket bunny and RB inspired aero and stylings.

i have nothing against running smaller american brands of suspension parts and coilovers simply because my preference is to work with small businesses being that i am one myself... small business is what started a lot of the this old school stuff in the first place. most of the older aero and suspension brands from Japan are still small business based to this day. its just nice to see that focusing on a smaller product line and keeping it worthwhile in terms of production and quality control is a business model that functions the world over instead of minimizing production costs over product quality when a brand decides to go much larger. most of the higher tier JDM brands scaled back to this business model after the recession in 2008 (Greddy, HKS and Apexi cut a TON of parts from their product lines to focus back on their core items once the economy tanked world wide)

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tricky_ab

Era specific styling is alive and well. There's still people out there spending money on authentic Japanese parts as well.

For me, I have nothing against spending money on QUALITY parts, and not cheap Ebay junk. The S Chassis aftermarket is huge, and there's plenty of parts available from different markets outside of Japan.

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I am 4 lug but I run 5 lug spacer adapters. I can teach you to be the purist purist there is. Pm me.

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turboshoebox

Doesn't have to have all the stickers of course but a car that's built for example with a real vertex ridge kit. Dg5 coils, ikeya formula arms, orc clutch etc

feito

Oh no, that's hert's car??? lol...
The truth is, you all know that might as well be a street car the way things are today. Sorry for insulting your close friend's car, brndck...
I guess like somebody else said, it depends on your definition of "purist". Someone said keeping it 4 lug, which Im guessing means leaving it as stock as possible, which Im assuming would include a stock ka. To many others it could mean using only jdm brands and jdm engines (including jdm brand stickers, ughhh...).

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brndck

No, it was Julian's car. Hert still has his FC (and I believe he picked up an s13 as well).

I def think that unless you're restoring it to OEM condition, or just doing a cookie cutter type x build, it's pretty much impossible to be a 240/s-chassis "purist". The sector reinvents itself every few years, so what many people currently consider "purist" (aka 2000 style) is still 5-7 years late imo.

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dizzariot

We live in an age of instant gratification.

When Black Friday goes throughout the weekend and Cyber Monday lasts damn near all week you have to wonder what's going on as a society. The need to have everything NOW is what makes these dumb fucking kids so quick to buy multiple sets of a replica parts vice one quality part. I think we've all been there but most of us moved on and our taste changed.

A lot of my friends give me shit for hunting (and spending money on) OEM cars. I'm willing to pay 'extra' for a car that hasn't been fucked with or fucked up. I guess, in that way, I'm a purist of sorts...but Damon put it best: it's an era most people commit to.

Like tacotacotaco said it all depends on the quality of the part. If something that isn't (INSERT BIG NAME COMPANY) works shittier than something from (INSERT SMALLER COMPANY) then anyone who gives a fuck about their car would use the latter. The people doing it for the 'gram or whatever would buy the name-brand. Does anyone realize a lot of JDM shit is outsourced nowadays? No. They'd rather drop a #JDM on IG.

Dorki's aero is another point: why in the fuck would anyone pay $800 for a God damn Type X lip when his shit fits well and is more durable?

The term purist has different degrees. Maybe some dudes are era purists to a fault while other guys are quality purists.

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Are you saying $800 for the lip is warranted or are you making a funny?

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!Zar! just doesnt like me... oh yeah and he also tried to neg repping me into oblivion because i told him to leave me the fuck alone in a different thread. so, his comment is meant in a negative light given most of his passive aggressive comments toward me (or anyone else hes trolling) are usually from a really shitty place... he just likes to harass people in a way that doesnt draw TOO much attention to himself from moderators and admins alike.

Damon, older guys ditching their cars because what younger folks are doing to them i think simply boils down to association. i know i have a very VERY hard time interacting with a lot of the younger guys because of how horribly they treat one another (and everyone else for the most part). the 240sx scene has actually gotten a VERY negative view in most peoples eyes simply due to the level of disrespect that is constantly mouthed off with and the shitty attitudes a good amount of 240sx owners have. its quite sad.... but to some people, they dont want to be painted with the same brush so they move on in life. buuuuuuuuuuuuut then again, there are also others out there who ditch their cars because they realize these things are nothing but never ending god shaped money holes!

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mechanicalmoron

I think part of the reason people grow up and move on is that you're only allowed to build some kinds of cars certain ways - if you do it differently (and totally normally and acceptably and well in the rest of the automotive world) it's called out just like if you do it wrong.

This thread equates non japanese with junk, china with ls. What kind of mental illness is this, and how could one expect normal car guys (who may be into any number of things that go) to want to try to fit in and deal with that irrational judgement for doing it right?

Nothing pure about these cars, built globally to sell to the globe - there's quality and crap, but no pure.

Dorkidori and a lot more like him is what it'd take for the 240 to survive as more than a handful or orphaned cars.