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karl wasabi · 02-06-2009, 07:30 PM

Still going on about this, huh Def? You should just leave it alone. You've killed it. No one likes you anymore. haha.

You are right, blah blah blah, are you happy? You win. Now, no one wants to read about your god-sent-cage-voodoo-blacksmith-yee-haw-NASCAR-split-atomic-theory-E=MC²-ZOMGWTF building skillz anymore.

J_Konnexion · 02-06-2009, 07:35 PM

I'll just leave this here.
S2000 Forums -> Roll bar/roll cage pic thread.

bejota180sx · 02-06-2009, 08:01 PM

I really didn't see that this was stated, im kind of in a hurry but i wanted to clarify that the car pictured here and i quote "
The car actually jumped up the dirt hill, did a half-spin in mid air and landed square on the roof from over a meter up, then spun around a couple of times before stopping." -alexi...

i see that front bar that so much haters talk about perfectly in place, it didn't collapse and it didn't let the roof crush all the way down from the hit when it landed...

like brian said a few pages before what the hell are you guys doing in your cars that need a 25 point cage? are you guys planning on doing backflips in your car ala rhys millen? plan on landing on your roof from 20feet or something?

cusco's aren't perfect, but they have proven themselves enough to stop being called "death traps"...

Def · 02-06-2009, 08:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by karl wasabi

Still going on about this, huh Def? You should just leave it alone. You've killed it. No one likes you anymore. haha.

You are right, blah blah blah, are you happy? You win. Now, no one wants to read about your god-sent-cage-voodoo-blacksmith-yee-haw-NASCAR-split-atomic-theory-E=MC²-ZOMGWTF building skillz anymore.

I think it's amusing that some people on this thread think I'm a cage fabricator.

If not swinging off someone's nuts on Zilvia makes the kids on here hate me, then I'm cool with that.

BillWatcher · 02-06-2009, 10:13 PM

I think its more people do not like you because you feel you are better than them, because you really think your grammar makes you a better person. Also you seem to talk out your bum. I have ran 2 NASA events with a saftey21 as well as 5 SCCA events and passed tech every time.

irax · 02-06-2009, 10:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Def

Cusco cages do not meet any SCCA/NASA requirements according to the information I got about them. The wall thickness is too thin, and they require all joints to be 360 degree welded. Cusco cages are bolted together with clevises.

I was talking about the design not necessarily the materials

Quote:

Originally Posted by Def

I can't even decipher what your fetal alcohol syndrome rambling is getting at on the first "paragraph" of run-on sentences, so I won't address that.

Please go drink some Drain-O or something...

ohh so instead of correcting me or actually showing information to prove me wrong you just come up with personal attacks, clearly your the better man. Sure my grammar might not be best, but then again I do not rely on wikipidea for information. If you are so smart you would know it is not a creditable site to use as a source in academia.

Def · 02-07-2009, 12:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillWatcher

I think its more people do not like you because you feel you are better than them, because you really think your grammar makes you a better person. Also you seem to talk out your bum. I have ran 2 NASA events with a saftey21 as well as 5 SCCA events and passed tech every time.

You guys really do get bent out of shape when someone can write in complete sentences don't you? hah

"Events" - I'm assuming you're talking about DEs. You don't need ANY sort of cage/rollbar to pass tech at a DE - it's all about not leaking fluids, having brake pads, and having some tread on your tires.

They actually have rules regarding the geometry, construction, material, and wall thickness of a cage in racing. The only bolt-in ones that'd pass are Autopower and Kirk Racing that I know of.

Def · 02-07-2009, 12:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by irax

I was talking about the design not necessarily the materials

They both matter homeslice.

Quote:

ohh so instead of correcting me or actually showing information to prove me wrong you just come up with personal attacks, clearly your the better man. Sure my grammar might not be best, but then again I do not rely on wikipidea for information. If you are so smart you would know it is not a creditable site to use as a source in academia.

Trust me, teaching you engineering fundamentals would probably be a futile as trying to teach a fruit fly how to pilot the space shuttle; it's about the last thing I'd want to do.

I'd hardly equate a post on Zilvia that explains that they don't know what the term "deceleration" means as it applies to crashes with a formal academic work!!!

ayuaddict · 02-07-2009, 12:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gotta240

why is it that in like 90% of zilvia threads a henry photo is shown?

zaquanh · 02-07-2009, 02:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Def

Fuck, I've said it three times in this thread, I don't have a cage! I have a roll bar with 4 points and would like to add some gussets to the b-pillar if I ever get around to it.

It's not completely badass, it just fits the car pretty well.

I've been out to Mineral Wells, but I don't go to drift events if you're asking if I'm going out for the drift thing.

o ok yea i figured u was a drifter , but thats cool tho

karl wasabi · 02-07-2009, 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ayuaddict

why is it that in like 90% of zilvia threads a henry photo is shown?

Because he took the best pics of it. haha. I know I have seen a lot more pictures of this crash, but I can't seem to find them. I remember also seeing a picture of where the roof crushed all the way to the cage.

Hmm...the cage stopped the roof from crushing in? WTF???

teamsprock · 03-13-2009, 10:50 AM

The more I read these threads on Zilvia especially when Def is giving very good information and you all dismiss it because some guy drifting rolled his car and his cage didn't collapse. I've seen cars roll with no cage/bar and they car didn't collapse. Doesn't make it safe to race. And going through tech inspections with a cusco cage and passing just means they aren't doing the correct inspection or as Def said you are doing DE's where a cage is not required. Cusco cages are not SCCA/NASA legal plain and simple, the original poster wanted to know which cages are legal. And there is no way around it, the Cusco/Safety 21 cages do not meet the requirements. I can't believe some of the comments in this thread.

If you talk to the people that are honest and sell Cusco cages they will tell you that their cages are not legal because of the materials used and the material thickness. Plain and simple you can mock people who are trying to be helpful and use the well it worked on one car so why not use it to try and justify your argument. But that does not change the fact these are built with lesser quality materials and should not pass tech inspection. But as any of us know there are plenty of inspectors that really don't know any better and pass a lot of things that shouldn't. Their lack of experience doesn't change the fact that its not really legal.

Brian · 03-13-2009, 10:54 AM

^^^^
You sure about that?

teamsprock · 03-13-2009, 11:16 AM

I'm not mocking Safety21 cages but stating that the Cusco cages do not use the materials set out in the guidelines for almost all sanctioning bodies. What kind of cage do you have? Hum I bet Safety21, no wonder you think they are so nice.

I know that Safety21 has cages that meet FIA requirements, but most of the cages people buy from Cusco are not and are not because of the materials they use. The OP wanted to know what cages are legal. So why not be helpful and exlain why a cage is or is not legal.

I'm not saying we all need a custom built crazy cage, but if someone wants to know which cages meet the requirements I don't see why we should lie and tell him to get a cusco when they really don't meet the guidelines.

Brian · 03-13-2009, 11:19 AM

Judging by the title and first post, I think the guy wants to know what cage he can use in D1GP.
(maybe he changed his idea later, I'm not sure. I did not read the thread again)

Did you read the D1 rulebook and/or call D1?

Did you ask if the Safety21 or Cusco cages are legal for use?

THIS is my point.

SprockCapn · 03-13-2009, 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian

I should just scan up my cusco catalog that shows ALL the cages they make.

They have FIA cages, just so you know.

Cages SHOULD be mostly for looks anyways.

Call me crazy, but I thought cages were to save your life not make you look tight.

Brian · 03-13-2009, 11:38 AM

You're crazy.

What is "tight"? I don't understand this lingo.

irax · 03-13-2009, 12:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian

You're crazy.

What is "tight"? I don't understand this lingo.

dude, that's heavy!

SprockCapn · 03-13-2009, 12:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian

You're crazy.

What is "tight"? I don't understand this lingo.

I'm just saying that you said that cages are supposed to look cool. While I hope you were joking about this, but from your previous post, who knows.

teamsprock · 03-13-2009, 12:45 PM

The main roll cage hoop shall be as wide as the full width of the interior and must be as close to the roof as possible. One continuous length of roll bar tubing shall be used as the main hoop.The main hoop must consist of not more than four (4) bends maximum, totaling one hundred
eighty (180) degrees +/- ten (10) degrees.

Diagonal Brace
At least one (1) diagonal brace shall be used in the same plane as the main hoop. One end of the diagonal brace shall attach to the corner, or horizontal part, of the main hoop above the driver’s head, within twelve (12) inches of the driver’s-side corner. The other end of the diagonal brace shall attach to the mounting plate (or to the main hoop as close to the mounting plate as practically possible) diagonally opposed to the driver’s head (passenger floor).

Cusco cages besides the thin material they are built with also have a total of 5 bends in the main hoop and no diagonal bar. In the end I guess its up to what people feel safe with in their car. Personally I'd buy a Kirk or S&W long before a cusco.

Brian · 03-13-2009, 12:48 PM

Oh, maybe you can't use Cusco / Safety21.

I don't know.

Usually those "diagonal" bars and 'harness" bars totally ruin the look of a cage. I would never put one of those bars in my car.

Brian · 03-13-2009, 12:50 PM

Here are just SOME of the Dash Escape versions of the cages that are available.
They look pretty sick.

karl wasabi · 03-13-2009, 01:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SprockCapn

I'm just saying that you said that cages are supposed to look cool. While I hope you were joking about this, but from your previous post, who knows.

ZOMG. This thread is started up again?

I'm gonna have to agree with Brian. Cages...saving lives? Nah, cages ARE just there for show. Have you seen Brian's cage? It's ALL blinged out!!!

Otto347 · 03-13-2009, 01:55 PM

Just go the rock crawler route and put an exo cage on a 240!!!!!!!

420sx · 03-13-2009, 08:01 PM

what really pisses me off that FD will pass DOM fucking steel cage and not chromoly which is a lot stronger and flexes under extreme load and doesn't crush in. guys in NHRA run chromoly and those fuckers go over 200 mph! did you see their crashes? now that is intense.

now cusco is alum. thats a joke of a cage. really. it does provide some protection and stiffens up the chassis but thats the extend of it. no serious racer out there uses it. thats just the bottom line. just because it is jdm and guys in option videos had them doesnt make it great. if you look a lot of people run REAL cages. not bolt in. welded with gussets and extra support that will protect the driver and stiffen the chassis and prevent it from twisting.

Brian · 03-15-2009, 08:49 PM

when did Cusco become aluminum?

I thought it was CHROMOLY.

Kumakubo used to run a cool Cusco through dash in his S15. I guess he isn't a real racer though.

Camo · 03-16-2009, 12:32 AM

just buy the material and throw me some cash. I'll build you a cage quan.

420sx · 03-16-2009, 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian

when did Cusco become aluminum?

I thought it was CHROMOLY.

Kumakubo used to run a cool Cusco through dash in his S15. I guess he isn't a real racer though.

it is chromoly, i was thinking of the door inserts and my dumbass for some reason thought they all made out of alum ( which is stupid).

not sure if i care about Kumakubo or other drivers. we are in america.

Brian · 03-16-2009, 01:50 PM

Oh, Russian...

ericcastro · 03-16-2009, 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 420sx

not sure if i care about Kumakubo or other drivers. we are in america.

LMAO!!!!

what a dumb fucking statement.
You some sort of hillbilly redneck that doesnt realize you live on EARTH, not just your little corner of the world??
Or maybe you will never leave the town you were born and raised in?
Well, maybe one time to go to disneyworld with the wife and 3 kids......

"hey brrrro!,
we have nascar this year in russia!
We race Lada cars!!
we are the best.
I dont care about Jeff Gordon or what they do where Nascar was started and pioneered to the excellent sport it is. They couldn't teach me anything. All there years of experience and trial and eror and race skills couldn't help me!!"

this thread is AWSOME !!!

So everyone knows.
Im gonna buy a cage for $200 that is a knock off of a cusco!!
Fuck yeah, I just need to pass tech!

When I start drifting at 90mph, I will have a better quality cage.
But drifting at 50mph on opn tracks or even walled courses, Ijust need to pass tech for tandem.

BTW, found this when trying to find the spelling for LADA, pretty cool.
RB25 LADA!
must haul ass!
http://www.engineswapdepot.com/?p=65

02-06-2009, 07:30 PM	#91
karl wasabi Post Whore! Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Walnut/SoCal Posts: 3,898 Trader Rating: (41) Feedback Score: 41 reviews	Still going on about this, huh Def? You should just leave it alone. You've killed it. No one likes you anymore. haha. You are right, blah blah blah, are you happy? You win. Now, no one wants to read about your god-sent-cage-voodoo-blacksmith-yee-haw-NASCAR-split-atomic-theory-E=MC²-ZOMGWTF building skillz anymore. __________________ Karl Wasabi Private Seller - Review Thread

02-06-2009, 10:13 PM	#95
BillWatcher Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Bellevue, Wa Age: 37 Posts: 324 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I think its more people do not like you because you feel you are better than them, because you really think your grammar makes you a better person. Also you seem to talk out your bum. I have ran 2 NASA events with a saftey21 as well as 5 SCCA events and passed tech every time. __________________ http://walk2liv.blogspot.com/

03-13-2009, 10:54 AM	#103
Brian Post Whore! Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: usa Posts: 12,840 Trader Rating: (54) Rides Gallery: Brian Feedback Score: 54 reviews	^^^^ You sure about that? __________________ http://bhworld.wordpress.com/

03-13-2009, 11:19 AM	#105
Brian Post Whore! Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: usa Posts: 12,840 Trader Rating: (54) Rides Gallery: Brian Feedback Score: 54 reviews	Judging by the title and first post, I think the guy wants to know what cage he can use in D1GP. (maybe he changed his idea later, I'm not sure. I did not read the thread again) Did you read the D1 rulebook and/or call D1? Did you ask if the Safety21 or Cusco cages are legal for use? THIS is my point. __________________ http://bhworld.wordpress.com/

03-13-2009, 11:38 AM	#107
Brian Post Whore! Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: usa Posts: 12,840 Trader Rating: (54) Rides Gallery: Brian Feedback Score: 54 reviews	You're crazy. What is "tight"? I don't understand this lingo. __________________ http://bhworld.wordpress.com/

02-06-2009, 07:35 PM	#92
J_Konnexion Zilvia Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Chino Hills,CA Age: 33 Posts: 251 Trader Rating: (8) Rides Gallery: J_Konnexion Feedback Score: 8 reviews	I'll just leave this here. S2000 Forums -> Roll bar/roll cage pic thread.

03-13-2009, 10:50 AM	#102
teamsprock Zilvia Addict Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Billings Age: 38 Posts: 636 Trader Rating: (8) Feedback Score: 8 reviews	The more I read these threads on Zilvia especially when Def is giving very good information and you all dismiss it because some guy drifting rolled his car and his cage didn't collapse. I've seen cars roll with no cage/bar and they car didn't collapse. Doesn't make it safe to race. And going through tech inspections with a cusco cage and passing just means they aren't doing the correct inspection or as Def said you are doing DE's where a cage is not required. Cusco cages are not SCCA/NASA legal plain and simple, the original poster wanted to know which cages are legal. And there is no way around it, the Cusco/Safety 21 cages do not meet the requirements. I can't believe some of the comments in this thread. If you talk to the people that are honest and sell Cusco cages they will tell you that their cages are not legal because of the materials used and the material thickness. Plain and simple you can mock people who are trying to be helpful and use the well it worked on one car so why not use it to try and justify your argument. But that does not change the fact these are built with lesser quality materials and should not pass tech inspection. But as any of us know there are plenty of inspectors that really don't know any better and pass a lot of things that shouldn't. Their lack of experience doesn't change the fact that its not really legal.

03-13-2009, 11:16 AM	#104
teamsprock Zilvia Addict Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Billings Age: 38 Posts: 636 Trader Rating: (8) Feedback Score: 8 reviews	I'm not mocking Safety21 cages but stating that the Cusco cages do not use the materials set out in the guidelines for almost all sanctioning bodies. What kind of cage do you have? Hum I bet Safety21, no wonder you think they are so nice. I know that Safety21 has cages that meet FIA requirements, but most of the cages people buy from Cusco are not and are not because of the materials they use. The OP wanted to know what cages are legal. So why not be helpful and exlain why a cage is or is not legal. I'm not saying we all need a custom built crazy cage, but if someone wants to know which cages meet the requirements I don't see why we should lie and tell him to get a cusco when they really don't meet the guidelines.

03-13-2009, 12:45 PM	#110
teamsprock Zilvia Addict Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Billings Age: 38 Posts: 636 Trader Rating: (8) Feedback Score: 8 reviews	The main roll cage hoop shall be as wide as the full width of the interior and must be as close to the roof as possible. One continuous length of roll bar tubing shall be used as the main hoop.The main hoop must consist of not more than four (4) bends maximum, totaling one hundred eighty (180) degrees +/- ten (10) degrees. Diagonal Brace At least one (1) diagonal brace shall be used in the same plane as the main hoop. One end of the diagonal brace shall attach to the corner, or horizontal part, of the main hoop above the driver’s head, within twelve (12) inches of the driver’s-side corner. The other end of the diagonal brace shall attach to the mounting plate (or to the main hoop as close to the mounting plate as practically possible) diagonally opposed to the driver’s head (passenger floor). Cusco cages besides the thin material they are built with also have a total of 5 bends in the main hoop and no diagonal bar. In the end I guess its up to what people feel safe with in their car. Personally I'd buy a Kirk or S&W long before a cusco.

03-13-2009, 12:48 PM	#111
Brian Post Whore! Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: usa Posts: 12,840 Trader Rating: (54) Rides Gallery: Brian Feedback Score: 54 reviews	Oh, maybe you can't use Cusco / Safety21. I don't know. Usually those "diagonal" bars and 'harness" bars totally ruin the look of a cage. I would never put one of those bars in my car. __________________ http://bhworld.wordpress.com/

03-13-2009, 12:50 PM	#112
Brian Post Whore! Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: usa Posts: 12,840 Trader Rating: (54) Rides Gallery: Brian Feedback Score: 54 reviews	Here are just SOME of the Dash Escape versions of the cages that are available. They look pretty sick. __________________ http://bhworld.wordpress.com/

03-13-2009, 08:01 PM	#115
420sx Post Whore! Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Texas Age: 38 Posts: 3,960 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: 420sx Feedback Score: 0 reviews	what really pisses me off that FD will pass DOM fucking steel cage and not chromoly which is a lot stronger and flexes under extreme load and doesn't crush in. guys in NHRA run chromoly and those fuckers go over 200 mph! did you see their crashes? now that is intense. now cusco is alum. thats a joke of a cage. really. it does provide some protection and stiffens up the chassis but thats the extend of it. no serious racer out there uses it. thats just the bottom line. just because it is jdm and guys in option videos had them doesnt make it great. if you look a lot of people run REAL cages. not bolt in. welded with gussets and extra support that will protect the driver and stiffen the chassis and prevent it from twisting. __________________ hydropgrahics! ls1......

03-15-2009, 08:49 PM	#116
Brian Post Whore! Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: usa Posts: 12,840 Trader Rating: (54) Rides Gallery: Brian Feedback Score: 54 reviews	when did Cusco become aluminum? I thought it was CHROMOLY. Kumakubo used to run a cool Cusco through dash in his S15. I guess he isn't a real racer though. __________________ http://bhworld.wordpress.com/

03-16-2009, 12:32 AM	#117
Camo Leaky Injector Join Date: May 2008 Location: San Antonio Posts: 120 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	just buy the material and throw me some cash. I'll build you a cage quan. __________________ Sittin' Sidways Since 2007

03-16-2009, 01:50 PM	#119
Brian Post Whore! Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: usa Posts: 12,840 Trader Rating: (54) Rides Gallery: Brian Feedback Score: 54 reviews	Oh, Russian... __________________ http://bhworld.wordpress.com/

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