gotta240

Holy FUCK i'm sick of seeing this picture and hearing the "Its good enough" bullshit arguement with the cusco cage. Is it better than nothing? Probably. Will it save a MILD MILD MINOR SMALL rollover? Probably.

Is it a good design? NO. Would a REAL cage builder be lauged at if he made the exact same cage but no one knew it was "CUSCO"? YES. Will it survive a MAJOR rollover? Who knows. Why risk it?

Brian

and the rest of us are tired of hearing these pussy ass bitches whine and whine that a cusco cage is going to collape and kill you after the A pillar bars break and impale you.



Wahhh wahh wahhh

make sure to wear a helmet when you walk around everyday. A huge chunk of space station may fall and hit your head and kill you.


Most of the people on zilvia who will get a rollcage do it for drifting.
Drifting isn't dangerous OR a type of racing.


If you're going to build a 240 for NASCAR or some kind of high speed / high risk race, please put a nice custom cage. You might need it.


Drifters don't need that bullshit.

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Brian

What kind of major roll over crash are you "cusco haters" expecting to happen?
Some kind of WRC mountain stage crash with the car falling 500ft down a mountain?

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ZenkiCam

i lold all over my self reading this post. hahahha

Brian

yeah I LOL too, but I also can't stand it.


You have these people who freak out becuase there old girlfriend's sister's boyfriend had an Integra and he heard from his teammates that some guy out of town crashed his civic with cusco cage and it killed him.

That's how these stupid arguments get started.

It's just stupid.



So, then, we start getting actual photos and stories from people WITH the Cusco/safety21 cages that crashed and NOTHING happened.
Ok great. This will shut up the whiny baby club right?

Nope.


Now they are "tired" of seeing the same picture.




Ok wonderful.

go find me a photo of a 240 with a cusco cage that resulted in the driver's death.





Yeah, that's right


you WONT FIND ONE.














jesus christ.













They are going to be the parents that don't let their kid do anything.


"dad can I go play on the swings?"

"oh Brad my boy, I don't know. Let me go to the city and get the schematics and find out exactly what grade bolts were used to attach those chains to that swingset cage.
Oh shoot son, let me get my micrometer so I can measure the wall thickness too."


"Sorry son, I'm a big pussy."

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Def

How is letting the back corner of the roof completely collapse when hit there "holding up?" Looks like they were lucky that roll didn't keep going and hit further up on the roof.

Brian

Because that isn't where the cage is.

Custom cages aren't going to be up there either.

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Def

My roll bar has down tubes that would be well in the way of that "crunch."

Brian

Pictures please.

I can't imagine somebody making a cage that follows the C pillar. That's going to be a few bends for sure.

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Brian

Is yours totally different than this kind of down bar?

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Def

Haven't painted the interior yet, so no good pics.

I have a hatch, so maybe that's the difference, but the down tubes go from the main hoop down to a bar running between the two strut towers. The main hoop fits the head liner within 1/2" all around, but I understand you can't get that with an off the shelf cage.

lflkajfj12123

oh look at that bolt in dash escape cages

Brian

Well, I figured you couldn't provide any photos.

Just more jibber jabber B.S. talk with nothing to back it up.


EDIT: A s14 and a S13 hatchback are two TOTALLY different body shapes anyways.


Did you bother to look at the picture I posted? You're right, my "off the shelf" cage main hoop is SOOOO far away from the headliner.
.....stupidity.


Last time I checked, the cage was supposed to protect the driver. I don't know about your seating position, but I sit in the front seat, in front of the main hoop, so I don't understand why you are all bummed out on the rear corner of that s14 getting crushed.

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Brian

here is a hatchback (like yours) but it has an "off the shelf" cage.


I don't know what you see, but I see a cabin that is pretty damn intact and NOT crushed in.

I'm looking for blood and limbs in the crushed destruction. I don't see any blue bars sheared off, sticking through torsos and out the window.

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Def

Just because I don't constantly take pics of my car doesn't mean it's not better than that bolt together POS you've got if you want to get down to it.

The body shapes aren't that different, you might need to cut some metal to do it right vs. going down to the wheel wells on the S14, but things are in the same relative location for the most part. But doing it the right way would also mean you need to ditch the redundant interior and homo backseat air fresheners, so I can see why you wouldn't want that.


BTW - love how the load path from your down tube is going at an angle into that clevis. Loading the tube in shear, torsion and tension is TOTALLY the best way to design a cage.


Don't talk to me about stupid when you post up a pic of a car with a cage and a reclining Bride seat in it, as you just defined it.

Def

Right, because I totally said that.


Why don't you go try to talk structural engineering to someone who doesn't:

A number 1 - Know far more than you about the subject

B number 2 - Think you're bitching like a little girl over me saying a car was lucky the roll over didn't hit harder over the occupants. I never talked shit about your little 0.065" wall cage, so just calm down.

!Zar!

That car doesn't have a bumper support.

Oh noez.

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irax

ZOMG i think the most important thing everyone forgot to mention


A CAGE IS NOT THERE TO SAVE THE CAR! The cage is there for the sole purpose of increasing the survivability in crashing or roll overs. If the cage was meant to save the car it would be bolted on the OUT SIDE of the car. If your going to talk trash about a cage manufacture please show pictures of how it failed and caused a fatality while drifting on a track or event. Even then be sure to give very specific details like; racing experience, drifting experience, track conditions, speed, vehicle setup, tires, and what initiated the accident.

lol cusco cages not holding up! EL OHHHH EL


you know that video of the white evo racing on a track that ended up rolling over multiple times, that guy didn't have a cages and he died. dare i say it... but even if he had a MEGAN cage it would of greatly increased the chances of his survival. in a case like that it did it's fucking job.

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karl wasabi

Internet is serious business.

I see that you are some kind of cage god. "look at me, I'm a structural engineer. I know my shit! I build roll cages for NASCAR and I have a 21 point jungle gym in my POS 240 that I dream of driving around an oval at 300 mph. Texas, fuck yeah!"

I LOVE how every single cage thread on this forum turns into some kind of argument about cage designs and cage structure and this and that. We have just stated that we are tired of hearing all this BS.

Besides, I think you are bluffing about your cage. Now you're going to make one to prove us wrong...

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irax

when does the fucking driver sit in rear passenger seat??? EVER??

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kafanylovesme

To the OP:

User "213421273831231" gave you D1GP's rules and cage requirements. Why not do your own research and find out what will/will not work instead of asking to be fed the answer. Pretty simple if you ask me...

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articdragon192

Cusco cage. This was at Buttonwillow.
Flipped at least 3 times. Driver and passenger came out ok.
Looks like the cage did it's job.
Link:
So Long SCIC! - NASIOC

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irax

i would of lol'd my pants off if there were rota's on that evo wait?? was that a subi? holy shit it looks like an evo now!

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AznDrftr.

^damn i thought it was a evo lol haah.

But yea it seems like it did its job.

SR2Zero

Dude, that's a little baby ass crash. He's lucky he didn't flip harder... then that POS bolt in cage would have collapsed and shattered into a million pieces.

Right Def?


We all need insane cages, for the crashes that nearly everyone on the forum will never see in their lives.

240trainee

God, this shit is so stupid.

If you like Safety21 and you can do what you want with your car, do it.

The JustDrift guys can. Sweet. Awesome.

If you need a custom cage, do it.

Most of you are stunting on the street, where you really shouldn't have a cage period.

IT DOESN'T MATTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Brian

Def - Pull your head out of your high and mighty asshole. It's starting to really stink around here.

Quite simply, like I said, you try to throw out bullshit talk, but you have nothing to back it up except fancy jargon.

Your clevis can suck my bolt together dick. SO can your torsion, tension, and load path.

Want me to send you a helmet free of charge? The sky is falling. Well, it COULD fall one day. Let me go talk to some gravitational engineers.

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Edgar

:ghey:

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