lflkajfj12123

Hasn't the LAPD been raiding dispensaries for years? There's a documentary on it.

stinky_180

They still are. I saw on the news that like several dispensaries from LA, OC, SD, Riverside were raided recently. That fucked up part is that the dea found some of the dispensaries dealing illegal substances like cocaine. Stupid fucking dispensary owners....

__________________
SoCal RallyX Coverage and MTB Ride Reports
WheelsDirty

bb4_96

With the supposed overwhelming support for marijuana wil they be able to use the same tactic effectively?

kingkilburn

They will either join it or fight it. I don't see most mj smokers jumping to cigarette quality so we will likely see a huge fight from big tobacco.

__________________
G O L D E N B E A R R E P U B L I C

ViciousCesar!

tobacco and marijuana can co exist perfectly. apples and oranges.

kingkilburn

The two products and cultures can. I don't know about the industries that provide the two products.

__________________
G O L D E N B E A R R E P U B L I C

ronmcdon

don't see why not.
if anything it would allow those companies to expand to additional markets.
ruthless fuckers like Phillip Morris would probably put nicotine in mj cigarettes too.

polls I've looked at so far seem to favor prop 19 by some consistent 5% margin to date.
will be interesting to see if there's a Bradley effect here.
I really don't know what to predict tbh.

S14DB

California Pot Initiative Opposed By Beer Industry
Beer Lobby Gives $10,000 To 'No' On Proposition 19 Pot Legalization - Los Angeles News - The Informer

__________________
Comments should be taken as Opinions not as Statements of Fact

ronmcdon

^

Title of that article is vague.
Note that the specific organization opposed is the CA Beer & Beverage Distributors.
'Beer Lobby' could mean a lot of other things, if not the industry as a whole.
Also note the organization isn't against pot per say as much as the components of Prop 19.
IMO, it's a valid point if they feel employers don't have enough control over their employees using the substance.
Could lead to a lot of lawsuits & additional risks for employers, fellow-employees, & the public in general.


Rhonda Stevenson, director of public affairs for the California Beer & Beverage Distributors, said the group's opposition comes from concerns about public and worker safety. She relied on talking points from the California Chamber of Commerce stating that if Prop. 19 passes, employers would have no ability to monitor or regulate pot consumption of employees, thereby creating the danger of stoned truck drivers and sales people on the roads, and stoned forklift drivers in the warehouses.

Stevenson said with some certainty that Prop. 19 specifically says employers can't test workers for pot. It says no such thing, though the California Chamber has made the case that some slippery wording in the initiative amounts to the same thing. Let's turn to The Huffington Post for more on this controversy:

(Prop. 19 advocates) point to the state Legislative Analyst's Office's determination that employers would "retain existing rights to address consumption of marijuana that impairs an employee's job performance."

Mainly at issue is a section of the proposition that says no one can "be denied any right or privilege" because they engaged in legal conduct permitted by the act, such as smoking pot.

The section continues: "The existing right of an employer to address consumption that actually impairs job performance by an employee shall not be affected."

The chamber claims the proposition would create a new, ill-defined standard of "actual impairment" that would prevent employers from disciplining workers simply for consuming marijuana. Instead, according to the chamber's analysis, employers would have to prove that pot impaired an employee's job performance.

"For example, if a forklift driver showed up reeking of marijuana smoke, an employer could not take disciplinary action until it could be proven that the employee's job performance was 'actually impaired' by the marijuana use (for example, after an accident occurred)," the chamber wrote.

soreballz

I drove a forklift while under the influence of marjuana once upon a time. Not at work, but at a friend's shop.
I once drove the same forklift while drunk as well.
Guess which time I accidentally destroyed a stack of empty pallets.

If you guessed "the drunk time", you're correct!

BUT... I see the point. Weed in the workplace should be dealt with the same as alcohol in the workplace. You should be able to drink and smoke and be under the influence on your time, but not on your employers time.*


*medicinal mj patients excluded. But then again, mmj patients shouldn't be allowed to operate heavy equipment or machinery while medicated anyway.

__________________
-Kyle

kingkilburn

MMJ patients have the same restrictions as any on else on meds.

__________________
G O L D E N B E A R R E P U B L I C

ronmcdon

Well the thing is, as I understand it, you can get away with being high at work a lot easier than being drunk.

You show up at work drunk, your employer can send you home or whatever.
You show up high as a kite, there's nothing they can legally do.
A mishap has to occur before anything can be done, lol.
Even if something bad happens, they need to prove that it was you getting high that caused whatever fuss that occurred at work.

Now I work at a warehouse too with other co-workers.
I sure as hell don't want to get impaled by a forklift b/c someone was hallucinating.
Yeah it's unlikely, by why leave it up to chance?
It sounds comical, but it could be a total disaster!

J3123MY

The thing is if they are smoking at work, they are probably a pot head. If they are a pothead, they probably can easily control themselves. You would be surprised at the amount of people you talk to in a day that are high.
Lol. I am pretty much almost always medicated when I run the mountains.

HalveBlue

Anybody who doesn't believe that marijuana impairs judgment and affects reaction times is stupid.

Needless to say, operating a vehicle or heavy machinery while under the influence of any substance is a bad idea.

BustedS13

ugh... bro.

__________________

kingkilburn

He's really making his case for legalization isn't he.

__________________
G O L D E N B E A R R E P U B L I C

bb4_96

I had made a comment in an earlier post about asshats who potentially jeopardize other peoples lives.

240sx123$

I agree with you. HOWEVER, I drive high regularly, and heres my argument as to why.

I DO agree that reaction times are definitely affected when under the influence of marijuana. But at the same time, I would argue that your average stoned driver is driving significantly slower and more cautiously than when theyre not stoned. This is especially true for me- Im at least twice as wreckless when I'm sober. So given that, I would argue that the potential risks of driving stoned are balanced out by the general reduction in speed by a stoned driver. Yeah, it might take me a little longer to react, but I HAVE a lot more time TO react.

People who compare driving stoned to driving drunk are absolutely clueless, because thats not even a remotely fair comparison.

You want to prevent marijuana legalization/decriminalization on the basis of the fact that people will be driving stoned, but we give oxycontin to people regularly, and rarely give out DUI's for it. I know PK's say not to operate machinery while on them, but my point is- people do. Regularly. And theres no breathalyzer for that- so why does there need to be a definitive way to test drivers for a mild sedative that only MILDLY affects driving performance? We're all so worried about the stoners on the road, when quite frankly Im more worried about little Johnny Sonovabitch texting down the freaking boulevard.

stinky_180

If your a current patient, you will notice that almost all medicine labels say:

"do not drive or operate heavy equipment"

You shouldn't be working/driving while under the influence of ANY substance.

Keep this on topic to Prop 19.. this isn't a debate if you can or can not drive normal while under the influence of MEDICAL CANNABIS!

__________________
SoCal RallyX Coverage and MTB Ride Reports
WheelsDirty

240sx123$

Well excuse me, Mr I Run This Thread.

The debate over whether or not it is safe to drive while high is directly related to Prop 19- its a main concern of those who oppose the bill.

I wasnt talking about what SHOULD or SHOULDNT be done, I was talking about what COULD or COULDNT be done. Obviously driving while high is not recommended by anyone, the point Im making is that it CAN be done, and that its not a fair comparison to liken marijuana to alcohol. Theyre both controlled substances, but have nowhere NEAR the same affect on a driver.

kingkilburn

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qA_-z...eature=related
Jump to 3:20ish.



This documentary seems to be legit. She definitely gives the good and bad of pot.

__________________
G O L D E N B E A R R E P U B L I C

stinky_180

Calm down son

__________________
SoCal RallyX Coverage and MTB Ride Reports
WheelsDirty

kingkilburn

Who is that directed at?

__________________
G O L D E N B E A R R E P U B L I C

240sx123$

I think that was his attempt at a rebuttal towards me.

BustedS13

go away please. this isn't a thread about how big of a dipshit you can be when you get high.

additionally

__________________

240sx123$

Yeah, sounds good- rather than have a mature debate with someone who has a legitimate point, just call him a dipshit. That way you can save yourself the embarrassment of being proven wrong.

You people really need to step up your game, this shit is gettin sad.

kingkilburn

He has a legitimate point as well. All that the outspoken pot smokers in this thread have proven is that they seem to be dipshits.

Maybe your game needs a bit o steppin up.

__________________
G O L D E N B E A R R E P U B L I C

BustedS13

this is a thread about prop 19. not about getting high.
your entire point seems to be that driving high is different from driving drunk. while that may be the case, both impair your driving. both are irresponsible, dickheaded things to do.
when potheads jump on these threads and start talking about the cool dreams they had last night, or how crazy the ride to del taco was, or how many bowls of _____ strain you smoked through ____ foot long glass on glass super mega ultra name brand illest illest hellaflush _____ chambered water pipe before posting, you sound like an ass and bring the entire thread down. people who don't smoke will see your stupid stony posts and negative stereotypes will be reinforced.

__________________

ViciousCesar!

*fixed for accuracy

ThatGuy

Evidently, people are still confused about what is and isn't tolerated on Zilvia.net.

So, allow me to demonstrate.

240sx123$, bragging about driving while under the influence is good for a month off.

Every one else, feel free to continue this discussion about Prop 19. However, if you feel the need to spout off your personal experience with illegal activities while on Zilvia.net, know that there will be repercussions.

__________________
"Speak softly,..." -Pres. Teddy Roosevelt
"Be polite, be professional, ..." -Gen. James Mattis