blu808

Only if you dont know what to do. Either way. I allways loved altamonts old track. i loved getting as close as i could to the walls, and with me being one of first people to drift the whole big straights with big smoky manjis and do that whole banking will allways hold a special feeling with me.

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nokeone

wait wait wait....what's this about 9 min of track time....lol....i don't know why i didn't see it earlier but anyway...

what is this?...40 car AutoX style?...one run at a time then back into the pits to wait for the next 39 cars to go?...

you're all kidding right?...

what happened to run groups?...is the track THAT small?...cause i can't imagine it's smaller then Willow Springs Balcony and we run 10 cars at a time there...

enlighten someone who has never been to Altamont...

thanks

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CleanS14

It's not 9mins... we will have run groups and 2 on track at a time simultaneously. Event details, Rules and Regs and the tech sheet will be available by Friday night on the website.

Private Events and DDNorcal are helping to make this event go smoothly.

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nokeone

good to hear...

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TRUENOCOUPE

Really, if you do the math with any PARKING lot events. You do not get hours of hours track day like we do at Buttonwillow.

You still get a good amount of track time tho.

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shermantank

Jay, That would be really helpfull to know the detail, I did signed up the first minute I saw your post and I was the 4th person, but if its going to be only 9min track time I'm not too sure about trailing the car 200 miles is such a good idea but I'll be there and support the the sport as a spectator!!

nokeone

so it would seem...lol..

but it just doesn't make sense...i mean, Altamont is a real track right?...like with an actual closed course you can make laps on?...so why not have run groups of 30min with 10 cars in each...that would mean 4 run groups (a, b, c, d) at 2 hrs a cycle...

assuming an 8-9hr day...each group would get approx 2 hrs on the track...subtract 10 min here and there inbetween groups for getting cars on and off track and you still have close to 2 hrs of track time for each group...

am i missing something?...why does this work at every other event i've been to except for Parking Lots (which are not run on a closed loop) but not at Altamont?

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sleedawg

Sorry if this heats things up again after it has died down. I actually have a normal job and thus I don't check this board all that often.

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The reality is that every track (or whatever venue) picks and chooses which organizers they like to have rent their track. Some are pickier than others. Just like a high maintenance date, depending on their first impression on the phone (or in person, email, etc) and their experience after the “date,” track management may or may not be receptive for a second date.

The best example I can give you is Laguna Seca. I invite anyone to try and rent Laguna. Even if you have the $10-13k rental fee for the day, they will most likely reject you from renting the track. And even if they rent to you once, they may decide not to invite you back for various reasons. Too many cars violating the sound limit, cars racing up and down the access roads, garbage left behind in the paddock, etc. Laguna is picky because they know that the county and their neighbors are watching them and could move to shut them down. The track management at Laguna rents to those organizations they believe will best represents Laguna. Sounds a little like Altamont’s situation?

To clarify, I’m not saying NCDA did not represent Altamont in a favorable light. The reality is, if the community that lives near Altamont is not happy with drifters, the track management will hear about it as will the local politicians. Altamont as a track has to play nice with its neighbors. If the neighbors complain enough, they can move to have the track shut down and convert it to a mini mall or new housing developments. I’m sure that’s the last thing the investors of Altamont want. I’ve seen it happen before. It has happened in San Diego and Phoenix and can happen here again at Altamont.

In regards to why Jay’s day was approved and not NCDA… I don’t have the answer. If I had to venture a guess, I’d say that NCDA took an unfair rap for issues the neighbors had from before with drifters. I would love to hear Todd’s or any other core leadership from NCDA first hand account and the time line on what occurred with the management at Altamont. I think it’s unfortunate that the community or Altamont associates all the issues they’ve had with NCDA, but it seems like the easy scapegoat to the neighbors. I hope that an amicable agreement can be reached with NCDA and Altamont and more drift events are held.

Just a heads up though. If the neighbors complain about the same problems with Jay’s track date as supposedly the neighbors did with NCDA… I’m willing to give 20 to 1 odds, that Jay and every other “drift group” will not be invited to Altamont. Think about it. Which would you rather do? Lose $5k on a track rental or a multi-million dollar investment?

So what am I trying to say... My bottom line message I’m trying to purvey to the racing/drifting community. Behave at the track and heading to the track (or even on the message boards). The neighbors and the track management associate you with the organizing body that rents the track. If we want to continue to have drift events (which are slowly getting banned everywhere) we need to be exemplary citizens and support those who put on events like these. And kick the crap out of those members (or wannabees) of the drifting community who don’t behave and act like good citizens. As unfair as it might be that one or two bad apples will be associated with the whole group, it is the reality.

And to Jay, NCDA or any other organizer, as much as it is a b*tch to clean up after everyone or to monitor the surroundings/behavior at the track… it’s on you to put on an event that the track management would be proud to present to the community.

Lastly, stick together as a community. Pointing fingers, boycotting each others events, and calling each other's name just isn't appropriate or necessary. Let's "represent" and show Altamont, the community around it, and anyone who questions drifters that we are responsible and united. And not a bunch of young ricer thugs. I see the unity in So Cal. Let's have that kind of unity here.

CleanS14

Altamont said 6 hours of track time... no 8-9pm stuff. I'm going to try and work with them on this, but it will be basically the same hours as NCDA's events from 3pm-9pm.

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CleanS14

We are going to be strict guys, don't get me wrong we do have fun in mind and want the event to be a success, but first and foremost we want to convey a safe, mature, repsonsible attitude to AMP staff and it's surrounding community.

I don't think anyone participating in the event or that reads the forums and knows what is going on will cause a problem, but what we do have to deal with are those potential spectators that might show up to watch. I will take it upon myself to make some signage to put at freeway offramps leading to the venue and at the AMP asking spectators to mind the law and respect the local community on their way to and from the event.

We want every organization that may host a drift event to be able to host at AMP. It's an awesome new facility that we should all get to take advantage of!!! So lets all be courteous and responsible.

All of the details for the event should be up on the website by Friday night. If you have any questions or concerns, please email me at [email protected]

Thanks everyone!

Jay

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Drunk Bastard

lets not forget about me too....

CleanS14

How can anyone forget Joe aka "Gangsta"

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FaLKoN240

Joe has a new whip I believe. . . I wanna see it.

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dct223

heh well you lost agaisnt old altamont... they lost recently at a private event on the new renovated track

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infinitexsound

yeah i heard it gets mad gas mileage... must be a big block something something..... j/k

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HKsilvia

finally gone thru 9 pages and this thread has become pointless
Is drifting really everything for you? you got nothing else to do? you will die if you have no place to drift?
NO, im sure most of you were borned b4 1995

Of coz, if u have a steady wealthy job or u have rich parents then thas not an issue, but people like me who cant even spare another $150 for an event is another story. but i wont blame nobody for that.
I never drift before(well...only one donut experience) and by the time i heard i can go to a track for $60, i jumped off from my seat! but then this business stuff chaos happened...but anyway we can do nothing about it. we are just some 240s pilots anyway(most of us)

im not going to the track since i just quit my job for summer school and i only have $700 left in my bank account. and i need to fix my cursed electrical in my car + need new clutch. So enjoy yourselves people.

btw. theres always some free alternative other than tracks and parking lot, if u know what i mean...

SpeedMonkeyInc

You are an idiot. Some of us have been into driving long before you even got your license. You are just another kid ricer fanboy out on the streets trying to prove something. People like you are the reason "imports" get a bad name.

Your post is pointless. Go away. Sell your car. Be cool stay in school.

NemeGuero

LOL!

Damn.. this thread did get crazy tho..
Sucks.. altamont is bitches..

Jay.. big ups for the event.

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FaLKoN240

I don't think anyone really knows what is going on with Altamont/NCDA.

So stop speculating, educated guesses are cute and all, but the people that matter don't post often on this board, and haven't said anything. Stop assuming.

Shut up, and drive, or stay home.

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Drunk Bastard

correction. there are some of us who do know whats going on....

phrozen

hi joe its jason havent seen you in awhile

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HKsilvia

hahahahaha
relax... if u can change the situation then go ahead. you can still be an asshole even u have your lisence for 10 years.
Is track the only place you can enjoy driving? Is racing and speeding the only way to enjoy driving? NO
the one who need to grow up is you, if u are able to.

btw, you are the 1st one who ever called me a ricer lol good job

Drunk Bastard

Hi Jason.


hope to see everyone at the event.

SpeedMonkeyInc

Its the only way to leagally and as safely as possible improve your driving skills. If your not on a track, your just some guy going too fast on public streets. You won't improve as a driver as quicly, or ever reach the same level as someone who measures their progress with a stopwatch.

If your not racing or speeding, what is the point of driving? Just to get from one place to another? That is the pits. I hate commuting. Thats why I ride my bicycle as much as I can. I can't stand just normal driving around.

I am a dedicated car guy. I have been for years. When someone shows up and says "don't you have anything better to do?" I know they don't understand the passion I have for driving. If you where in my shoes, you would have spent years building your car up, and paying lots of money to be on racetracks. You would then know what it is like to have something you are so passionate about threatend. But you have never been on a racetrack. You don't know. Your just a kid racing around mountain roads or where ever you go. Thats why I call you a ricer.
Get out of this thread because you have nothing to contribute.

NemeGuero

I have nothing to contribute either.. except...









FIGHT!! FIGHT!! FIGHT!!


LMAO!
And don't drive stupid on the street.. Risking your own life is one thing.. but driving on the streets endangers more than yours.

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BigVinnie

Besides the point street racing is dangerous. You never know what elements that you deal with on the road, let alone what could happen to your own car.
I'm a prime example, and so are my other friends.
A few years back I was in a serious 80mile an hour road crash. I should of died, but god let me live. I was in a 89 Honda CRX si and the front axle snapped, it sent me directly through 4 lanes into the cement wall head on. No airbags just a tin can of a car. If I wasn't such a heavy set guy at the time, my face and chest would of been through the front windshield shreded and beyond an oblivion.
This is some pics of what street racing does. This is my boy Evil E's ride. He was going 100MPH in a 30MPH zone...


Really street racing is STUPID!! Fact is I couldn't live with myself if I was to kill some one.

DJPimpFlex

I'll be the seconds to call you a fuckin ricer. GTF out of this thread and out of the car scene. You dont seem to understand what REAL car culture is about. Neg rep for you and dont even bother neging me back as it will have no effect on me. (silly bitch, your weapons can not harm me, do you know who the fuck I [email protected]!?)<---lol

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you're getting owned and you know it

eisenfaust

Okay. First off, I'm a total noob to this forum. I've also got almost (almost) zero aspiration to get into the drifting scene. 5 or 6 years ago when I had my FC3S, I was a bit more into it, but these days, I just want to spectate, modify my new-to-me car, and see the auto/moto culture in the Bay Area thrive. Maybe if some total noob friendly events occur I'd consider driving.

Anyway I think its a bit odd of AMP to deny rights to one drifting event and then grant them to another. Of course we dont know the whole story, but its obviously deeply political. The whole Sideshow thing over in the Port of Oakland really soured Alameda County on any kind of "scene" motorsports events. Its just like motorcycle stunters trying to find a legal venue to practice and play. Its just about impossible. Hence, the illegal stuff thrives. Back on topic, kudos to Jay to managing to get *something* set up. This is the kind of thing that needs momentum. If the scene as a whole were to just let up and have zero events, I think it would be pretty hard to get the ball rolling again. I dont know any of the NCDA guys, but it seems like they ran/run a pretty cool event. It would be cool to see it happen again. Like I said, I enjoy being a spectator.

I'll be out on the 6th on my bike.