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sup zilvia. so i would like everyones general input and experience on using a n/a 300zx 5 speed transmission on an rb25. general key points of discussion are what needs to be done to the 300zx transmission to make it work and bolt together with the rb25 as a full drivetrain and what clutch options are there (planning on using the n/a 300zx clutch and pressure plate because rumors have said they are the same part as the rb?)

a long morning of google searching has brought me countless threads of mating 300z/rb25 trannies together because someones rb syncro went out, can't seem to find any about using the actualy transmission itself.

thanks guys-tj

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fliprayzin240sx

Use the TT 300ZX transmission. The NA is basically the same as the KA. If you need a tranny on a budget, you'd probably be better off trying to use a KA transmission. only 2 bolts wont line up for the bellhousing to mount up on the RB.

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Suit

for sure the only real reason as to why the n/a tranny would be used is because it came with the motor and things.

I would assume that rules out using the n/a clutch as well?

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Tom N

TT and n/a Z32 5 speeds have the same internals. One is not stronger than the other.

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Suit

and we are back into discussion.

i would assume the z32 tranny and rb motor have slightly different patterns as a sort of conversion plate was included with everything as well, maybe it was to space the transmission back and sit the shifter in oem place. So what does this mean concerning the clutch? i have a full, and nice, n/a z32 clutch assembly that if was worth anything towards the rb would be nice to use

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Tom N

I don't know anything about the RB motor. I was just correcting some miss information about the Z32 tranny.

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Bmxer300zx

Lol No on being same as a ka its internally equal to a rb25
Yes to the bolt pattern I almost just used a ka24 trans on my rb20 but the biggest is one bolt can be drilled to work and the other doesn't exist on a RB block.

Biggest problem is the ka24 transmission is 2" longer so sets the shifter further back and needing to shorten driveshaft is a must.

BoredEE

Most people use the bellhousing off a RB25 or RB26 transmission to bolt on the back half of the transmission.

Everything will line up clutch wise, the only problem is shifter location.

If you google hard enough you can find the distance in lengths of the shifter positions.

I haven't see anyone run an adapter plate to bolt on a 300zx trans to a rb25.
Sounds like more of a headache and more expensive than just getting a bellhousing.

This company makes Z32 shifter relocation hardware which might get you closer to the correct position.
http://www.xcessivemanufacturing.com/

All Z32, RB25DET, RB26DETT have the same internals: gears/bearings/synchros/forks.
The difference is in the length of the mainshaft, shifter linkage and 4WD splitter.

Interestingly enough the 90's era pathfinder V6 5spd shares the same transmission but with different ratios.


If you plan on making reasonable HP and you want to work on your car.
I recommend the RB20DET/RB25DE transmission. It's smaller and lighter. Much easier to remove and install compared to the other transmission.

If you want to make 350+HP(wild ass guess on the HP limit or break point) I would go with a RB25DET transmission.

Suit

Believe it or not the motor set came with an adapter plate which i also figured was spacing the transmission back to compensate for the shifter and shaft length. how lucky!

thanks for the input anyway man, help is always appreciated!

already inspected the transmission its in great conditon so thats great to hear! the car will be a spirited driven dd so it wont be harsh on the tranny, but the motor will put out 450-500whp so it will be fun, got our hands on a pretty sweet hks manifold and a 3076

all good man!

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jr_ss

Z32 transmissions have been known to be behind some engine setups making serious power and dragged often. However, used they suffer from worn synchros or baulk ring retaining clips that fall off and end up causing the grinding, not the synchros. If you purchase one, I recommend having it gone through.

The NA and TT are identical transmissions minus the speed sensor gears and the bell housing, specially around the starter pad to accommodate the larger flywheel. I have yet to find any information showing they are two completely different transmissions internally.

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fliprayzin240sx

My bad, was thinking RB25 NA and Turbo transmissions..

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Do not use a ka24/rb20 transmission if you have the money to setup others. My piddly rb20 broke the stock transmisison and now on my 2nd ka/rb20 hybrid trans.
A z32 NA and TT are the same internally exept a few minor things the biggest being the TT using an inch bigger flywheel/clutch, NA is smaller I also would just stick with the rb25 clutch setup more abundant than a good hp rated NA z32 clutch The rb25 and NA z32 share clutch size and patterns DO NOT USE A Z32 FLYWHEEL it's a different bolt pattern.

Far as z32 trans you will need a rb25 bellhousing or a ka24 adapter plate. DO NOT USE THE ADAPTER UNLESS you either have a flywheel spacer or machine the bellhousing down to accommodate the space of the adapter.
The rb25 bellhousing bolts to the z32 I would also recommend going to excessive manufacturing and getting a shifter assembly made shorter to fit into a s13 chassis.
You'll also need a starter from a RB and a z32 slave cylinder should work ( I have one on my rb20 now)
Far as wiring goes should be fiarly easy with google searching people using the z32 trans on a s13.

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well i already have the z32 so it's good. I am assuming by the looks of everything that it was already set up to fit in an s13 and work with the rb25 because its everything together as a almost complete swap, the shifter also is obviously not stock which leads me to believe it has already received a new assembly. I will post pictures of the plate and the shifter as well as the everything else sometime tonight or tomorrow.

well one thing is for sure i am NOT using the ka tranny lol. also came with a drive shaft lengthened for an s13 so once i get a clutch for it everything should bolt right back up together and drop it.


Thanks for all the help guys. I checked the flywheels p-plates and clutches and they are pretty obviously different. I was hoping i could use the z32 clutch but of course as stated by someone previously, its definitely smaller.

so whats everyones opinion on a clutch?
i have been looking at the competition 6 pad and 4 pad clutch kits. the 6 pads are "stage 4" and rated at 250% increase in tq capacity(4xx-5xx ft-lbs?) and the 4 pads are "stage 5" and rated at 300% increase in tq capacity (600+ ft-lbs?)
My question is, is the 4 pad stage 5 really necessary or will the 6 pad stage 4 hold? i cleaned the flywheel and am about to have it re-surfaced, im shooting for 500whp on this motor with a big turbo, so it will probably make only 400-450 ft-lbs of tq at most. I definitely did 436whp on 14lbs on my last rb with a gt35 and would bump it up to 18 every so often, it was a stock clutch assembly and it held up fine so id rather not buy a clutch that will be shitty-er than the oem clutch. what do you guys think?

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supersayianjim

did this ever pan out??

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bump...............................

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xchaosx

To put it all kind in one place,

Z32 tt and na are both based off the r30a transmission, which is the same base as the rb25det.
You put the 25 bellhousing on the z32 transmission and it bolts up.
The clutch and flywheel you can leave the rb25det stuff on, as the spline pattern for the 25 and 32 are the same.
The shifter sits back further on the z32 transmission, even with the shortest shifter plate replacement there's also a difference in driveshaft length from what I recall.

supersayianjim

well SHHHHITTTT!!

I already got my transmission running.

z31 shiro transmission + rb25 bellhousing = winning for cheap

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xchaosx

Yeah, that's ultimately a clearer, easier option though - glad to hear you got it back up!

Tempast

For information purposes.
All NA Z31's use the FS5W71C, similar as the S chassis, different gearing and connectors.
Z31 1984 to April of 1987 Turbo's all use NON WORLD CLASS T5's
Z31 May of 1987 to 1989 Turbo's all use the FS5R30A (Including Shiro)
ALL Z32 use the FS5R30A.
Z31 30A is longer than the Z32 30A, and the shifter comes out of the top, not the back; more similar to the Skyline