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Old 11-04-2008, 08:58 PM   #31
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My vote initially went to Ron Paul. Paul is about radical,needed,change. Seeing as how Mr. Paul is not even close,I went with Obama.
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So, we have all seen those Obama "change" shirts/posters/images.


My question is...


For those who support Obama and this "change", what does CHANGE mean?

I would like to know.


discuss.
I'll tell you what it means. Let's say we go out to dinner. Your waiter does a fantastic job. He brings you the bill, you pay it, then take the waiter's tip, walk outside and give it to a homeless guy. The waiter looks pissed and you explain that even though he earned that tip the homeless guy needed the money more. So there is your change
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No, my family makes more than 43 grand a year (its like 45 a year), with 4 kids, alimony and all that stuff we have to pay for like bills and what not, if we get our taxes raised, we'll be up shit creek without a paddle.
Unfortunately, no where in his policies does it say you would be taxed more..seeing as you aren't a small business making 200k + a year...
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Change is something I dont want. I want whole dollars, but with his plan, I'll get nothing but change.
Change is the law of life. And those who look only to the past or present are certain to miss the future.’

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Unfortunately, no where in his policies does it say you would be taxed more..seeing as you aren't a small business making 200k + a year...
The money has to come from somewhere. With all the fat cats in washington (democrats, republicans, it doesnt matter) and a war on multiple fronts, they'll raise taxes on the middle class. You can mark my words.

READ MY LIPS: MORE TAXES.
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I guess we're about to find out what this change really is about, it should be an interesting next 4 years...
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When the Bush tax cuts expire in 2010 everyone's taxes will go up.
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Look at BHO's policies, they are leftist and socialist....Spread the wealth around? can't get more socialist than that.

And if you didn't grow up during the Reagan presidency don't comment on it. I still remember before Reagan having to do fallout shelter drills in case the USSR attacked and hearing on the news that Soviet bombers were patrolling the Atlantic and Pacific oceans. Granted it wouldn't have mattered, but we can all thank him for winning the Cold War and getting both ours and their nukes off hair-trigger alerts.
alright, so big strong reagan saved america from the damn commies, and stagflation didnt happen, and the stock market didnt just crash because a devout reaganomics follower implemented his policies vigoruously.

Second, fear mongering isnt a reason to pick a president, and honestly I trust colin powell's military advice more than rumsfeld, chenny, or captian mccain. Now i might trust Admiral or Admiral Mccain, but w/e.

Third, you lost and that is always fun

Fourth, there is not talk at all about spreading the wealth. There is discussion of sharing the profits of america with americans (not just transnational coorporations or OPEC) but again, when has america ever been about that.

Oh, and gg mccain. RJF, gg as well
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whats GG mean?
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Good Game.

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oh lol...

acronyms should be limited to these:

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alright, so big strong reagan saved america from the damn commies, and stagflation didnt happen, and the stock market didnt just crash because a devout reaganomics follower implemented his policies vigoruously.

Second, fear mongering isnt a reason to pick a president, and honestly I trust colin powell's military advice more than rumsfeld, chenny, or captian mccain. Now i might trust Admiral or Admiral Mccain, but w/e.

Third, you lost and that is always fun

Fourth, there is not talk at all about spreading the wealth. There is discussion of sharing the profits of america with americans (not just transnational coorporations or OPEC) but again, when has america ever been about that.

Oh, and gg mccain. RJF, gg as well
And what makes Colin Powell so qualified?

Re: Spreading the wealth - Those were words right out of Obama's mouth.
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I'll tell you what it means. Let's say we go out to dinner. Your waiter does a fantastic job. He brings you the bill, you pay it, then take the waiter's tip, walk outside and give it to a homeless guy. The waiter looks pissed and you explain that even though he earned that tip the homeless guy needed the money more. So there is your change
I think I understand what you are saying.

So, next year when I work every single day, I'm going to lose MORE money to taxes, right?

Or what?
Will I lose less?


I am afraid I will lose more...
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I'll tell you what it means. Let's say we go out to dinner. Your waiter does a fantastic job. He brings you the bill, you pay it, then take the waiter's tip, walk outside and give it to a homeless guy. The waiter looks pissed and you explain that even though he earned that tip the homeless guy needed the money more. So there is your change
No, because the homeless guy will have a job, dear comrade.

Proletariat!

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Change obviously is referring to the skin colour of the people who have power. This is why people were so concerned about non-white immigration. People fragment by ethnic group. Voluntarily allowing yourself to become an ethnic minority in your own country or in the world is madness.
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i hate the stupid fucking obama shirts oh my god

no racist but at my local college today i saw a handful of BLCKPPL wearing shirts with plastic diamonds that silhouette obama's head

really i didn't think that was of any importance in politics??????

i voted mccain

that is all
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Quoted for truth...
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So you guys support socialism now?

Wat?
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So you guys support socialism now?

Wat?
Nope, but it is the truth. The average person is completly uninformed and ignorant.

Hence why Barack Obama is now the 44th president.
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wat

i have one for that too you're talking about obama

Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.

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wat

i have one for that too you're talking about obama

Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.

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So what kind of government does Winston Churchill believe in?

British monarchy?
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he was conservative

and was a nobel prize winning writer
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I would like to know.


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he was conservative

and was a nobel prize winning writer
I know that.

But you quoted his anti-democracy quote, as if democracy was suddenly bad and everyone who doesn't share your political views is an idiot, only because the candidate you voted for did not win.

You wouldn't be quoting it if McCain won.

In my opinion Obama was the better choice and democracy actually worked today, and the idiots did not prevail this time. But that's just my opinion and you may call me an idiot because you assume you're the one who knows better.
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This is how I feel about this election...

I'd say that I have seen Obama advertisements EASILY 10 to 1 for McCain.

CHANGE... ok great

Change what.


I am just worried about all the people... the "record amount of people" that vited this year for Obama and "change" when they have NO idea what is even going on.

As far as I'm concerned, the record number of voters is useless. What good is a million voted for a guy if those voters have no idea what is even going on.



Anyways..... I hope the country still stays at the top of the world with this "CHANGE"

I'm not so sure it will....
brian i dont want to sound rude, but do you expect posters and T shirts to have an entire book printed on them about the meaning of his slogan?

if you really wanted to know you would have listened to him speak or at least done some honest research online.
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So you guys support socialism now?

Wat?
No, but Winston Churchill was an ass kicker. I would have voted for him.
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