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Old 02-22-2008, 12:26 AM   #1
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Sweet, I'm a trained killer.

http://www.counterpunch.org/cpnews02212008.html

I wrote them a nice letter.. Dumbasses. I'm gonna go rape the Iraqi women I work with now and go into the city and kill everyone because it's all I know.
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Old 02-22-2008, 12:38 AM   #2
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I wonder if this was actually written up by a bunch of angry guys.

Seems to accurately reflect most Okinawans opinion of US military presence there.

But these incidents shouldn't be used as reasons why the US should leave.
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It reflects maybe 10% of the island's population at most. It can't even be proved that the people who wrote that are in fact Okinawan as hippies from mainland constantly come to Okinawa to protest and then go back to where ever they came from.
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^haha...
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sorry. That looks more like a pooper punch/fist
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yeah, i took it off because


you do know there was a SSGt that was accused of some shit with a 14 year old oki girl not too recently. I heard Camp Hansen is on lock down
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Ummm when is Camp Hansen not on locked down?

Its more surprising when it isn't on lock down or on curfew.

Man I don't miss kin town.
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Ummm when is Camp Hansen not on locked down?

Its more surprising when it isn't on lock down or on curfew.

Man I don't miss kin town.
I knew they were are on Cinderella back when the thing with the 3 service men first happened but I think they are back on it. my buddy told me that he used to have a barracks check at midnight. glad I'm out.
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Yeah, apparantly Okinawa is about to turn into Korea.. Midnight curfew forever!! I can't wait to go out in my charlies! I wonder if Service B will pass as proper clothing for the Exciting Gymkhana events? Is a helmet authorized in the Service uniform?
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before I got out you didn't have to wear a cover in your vehicle. I don't think they would mind a helmet since it is a safety issue. of course this is all depended on your base CG.

why the hell would you want to dress in your chucks? wearing your barracks cover?

Some dipshit in the airforce asked one of my buddies how he got the bill all shiny. He told him to use boot polish.
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well shit...maybe putting bases in japan on the "dream sheet" isn't such a good idea :/
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before I got out you didn't have to wear a cover in your vehicle. I don't think they would mind a helmet since it is a safety issue. of course this is all depended on your base CG.

why the hell would you want to dress in your chucks? wearing your barracks cover?
One of my friends said that having to be in your uniform to go on liberty is on the table for becoming mandatory..

I don't see what the deal is with midnight.. It's a fucking number and there is no statistical fact proving that once the clock strikes 0001 people are compelled to commit crimes..

On top of being trained killers and rapists now we're like Cinderella werewolves..
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I dunno a whole lot about war and stuff, but here's what I can understand.

The military is an organization employed by the government to achieve ends by force. When the US government decides they need to have people murdered, they have the military. That's why the military has guns, tanks, rockets, aircraft carriers, and so forth.

Sometimes the ends are just. Sometimes they're not. I'm not here to argue that. Sometimes you're fighting for your country, and to protect your people. Other times you're fighting to influence another country's economy, or to steal their resources. That all depends on who's country's military you're in, and which war it is.

But let's not get things confused here. Whether it's justified or not, each and every soldier to use a gun is committing MURDER. Soldiers are trained KILLERS.

Maybe they're killing to stop the holocaust. Maybe they're killing for oil. In both cases, they're murderers.



I know I'm gonna get a lot of crap for posting that, but them's the facts. Sorry.
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^ I agree that murder is murder. You have valid points. However, the majority of us have to follow orders or we end up in prison. I think the real killers are the politicians and the businessmen that have power over these officials. They are the ones that make the decisions. The military are the ones that execute the orders.

Whoever wrote that article is stupid to think the US is just going to up and leave.
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Which is why I'm all for mandatory service... People don't understand how the military works.. Grunts are one thing as they're wierdos.. However my mission in the US Marine Corps isn't to pwn noobs it's to fix trucks. I have received weapons training, CQB training, riot training, blah blah blah but it's only enough to give me an idea of what's going on should I end up in that position.

I'm not some trained killer.. I'm a person who had nothing else after high school, joined the military for some experiences and has been given just enough training so I don't end up dead should I be sent to a country where people hate me because of something someone higher than me did.
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damn my camp is on lock down gotta start to bust my skulls
well its not mine (obviously) i havnt entered military my brother has and is on his 3rd tour in iraq
just thought id call it my camp seeing as my last name is hansen lol
but to those rapist's your gonna get whats coming to you
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This is funny, i read a similar article on Digg about this.

Oki folk have the shittiest surveys, and base a vast majority of crap brought down on stationed folk on OLD bad blood.

Seriously, a curfew? Dumbest thing since safety scissors.
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Koopa and Jung, I totally agree with you and see where you're coming from. It sucks that there are not better opportunities for people to educate themselves after high school in the US. It really shouldn't cost 40k a year.
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Wow....im tired of this stuff happening...firstly, yes its wrong that some dumb screw up, raped a little girl..that is a horrible thing, and he should be thrown in prison for the next 50 yrs, with his new friend bubba....but seriously, the commanders on Oki, need to get one thing straight....group punishment to satisfy the whims of the okinawan ppl wont get us anywhere......lol, okinawa was already on curfew before when that airforce staff sergent "inappropriatly" touched a little girl also, not to include that the marines were on a curfew well before that incident as well....

But to stay on tract, the okinawans seem do not mind us there since we do bring money into the economy, and that the MAJORITY, do make a more positive appeal on the island....and the mojority of okinawans understand that a the actions of a few dumb arses, dosent count for the whole....but, then those damn hippie japs from the mainland come down to protest like the hypocrites they are...instead of worrying about the numerous rapes, illegal prostitution, and the unusally strong sex trade going on in japan (where its been known that girls as young as 14 are forced to be sex slaves, but rare cases with 14 yr olds) that they have going on in japan, they wanna blast any little chit that an american gi does while down on the okinawan island, that really dosent even belong to japan in the first place.....ok, im done with my rant..
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btw we all know that jap men are the worst with pedophelia, and things of the such, and that the sex trade in asia is real and there, and that the jap government are the worst perps of that chit....dont belive me, ask anyone on okinawa that has been to the yellow box or yoshihara for example...
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Which is why I'm all for mandatory service... People don't understand how the military works.. Grunts are one thing as they're wierdos.. However my mission in the US Marine Corps isn't to pwn noobs it's to fix trucks. I have received weapons training, CQB training, riot training, blah blah blah but it's only enough to give me an idea of what's going on should I end up in that position.

I'm not some trained killer.. I'm a person who had nothing else after high school, joined the military for some experiences and has been given just enough training so I don't end up dead should I be sent to a country where people hate me because of something someone higher than me did.

and yea, i agree with you on some points. im in the chair force, where i load bombs, talk chit to the crew cheifs, and drink my nites away.....and as the same as you, ive been through the classes, i can take up arms if the need arises and i suck rubber just like anybody else.....but trained killer yea right....more like a trained drinker..
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BUT, again, the facts are there. Not pulling the trigger does not relieve responsibility. You're part of an organization designed exclusively for the murder of other individuals.

If you can't even face that fact head on, maybe it's time to reconsider your career choice.

Certainly you may have never killed anyone, but you might be the guy that got the shipment of M16s to Iraq. Oppenheimer never killed anyone either, but you'd better believe that he was all kinds of conflicted about his role in the development of the nuclear bomb.

Not killing face to face should not absolve people of responsibility. A person in the military is still part of a political structure who's main goal is essentially strengthening a nation's ability to kill. If you're comfortable with that, that's one thing, but if you're in denial about it, maybe more self-reflection is necessary.


Again, I know this is a touchy subject, and I mean no direct disrespect to the people on zilvia who are in the military.
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Being Japanese, naturally I'm pissed the rape occurred.

But then, a Japanese men also rape.

As do Americans in America.

There are obviously other reasons why people in Okinawa would rather have American military personnel leave and are using this as reason, whether those are legitimate reasons or not i don't know.

ahhhh fuck it, i don't care but im gonna post this anyways since i wrote it out.
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This is the most recent article I have read about the Marine SSGT. He is on Camp Foster.
http://www.stripes.com/article.asp?s...9&archive=true
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im half okinawan and was born and raised on oki, and I do not seen anything wrong with military guys , one being my father was a marine , either way, The only thing I hate are people in general who do not respect our culture, military or not.
Rape is rape it happens all over , it is stupid to punish all the other guys for a few peoples stupid mistakes. When I was there last , I met alot of marines that dated oki girls, that treated them how a women should be treated, I feel its not the race or military ect, its all in the person. They should find the person or persons responsible and punish them and move on.
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BUT, again, the facts are there. Not pulling the trigger does not relieve responsibility. You're part of an organization designed exclusively for the murder of other individuals.

If you can't even face that fact head on, maybe it's time to reconsider your career choice.

Certainly you may have never killed anyone, but you might be the guy that got the shipment of M16s to Iraq. Oppenheimer never killed anyone either, but you'd better believe that he was all kinds of conflicted about his role in the development of the nuclear bomb.

Not killing face to face should not absolve people of responsibility. A person in the military is still part of a political structure who's main goal is essentially strengthening a nation's ability to kill. If you're comfortable with that, that's one thing, but if you're in denial about it, maybe more self-reflection is necessary.


Again, I know this is a touchy subject, and I mean no direct disrespect to the people on zilvia who are in the military.
Umm... the military wasn't designed for murder, it was designed to protect the United States. Now sometimes our military gets sent to completely bullshit wars in the name of defending our country/freedom/fighting "terrorism"/etc.

If someone came into your house with a gun, and you killed him to protect your family, do you consider that murder? I don't. I see the military protecting America as the same thing.
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I would not consider it murder when two soldiers/marines/what ever are shooting at each other and one dies. That would be like after a boxing match the guy that lost tries to press charges for assault.

People in the military are trained to kill but that does NOT make them murderers.
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Wait, don't the japanese men grope thier women on the trains and stuff? I mean my teacher left japan in disgust from all the sexism and pervs there..They have the audacity to blame Americans? For what it's worth, American men are the most pussy whipped men in the civilized world. We treat women better than A LOT of other people, including the japanese.
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There are obviously other reasons why people in Okinawa would rather have American military personnel leave and are using this as reason, whether those are legitimate reasons or not i don't know.
Definitely, no one wants to have some other country's military bases on their land, so people look for any excuse they can find to get rid of them.
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BUT, again, the facts are there. Not pulling the trigger does not relieve responsibility. You're part of an organization designed exclusively for the murder of other individuals.

If you can't even face that fact head on, maybe it's time to reconsider your career choice.

Certainly you may have never killed anyone, but you might be the guy that got the shipment of M16s to Iraq. Oppenheimer never killed anyone either, but you'd better believe that he was all kinds of conflicted about his role in the development of the nuclear bomb.

Not killing face to face should not absolve people of responsibility. A person in the military is still part of a political structure who's main goal is essentially strengthening a nation's ability to kill. If you're comfortable with that, that's one thing, but if you're in denial about it, maybe more self-reflection is necessary.


Again, I know this is a touchy subject, and I mean no direct disrespect to the people on zilvia who are in the military.
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