MadScientist

Well in response to my last... Its been confirmed that the Mother was the owner of the weapons used!!

Matej

There is a difference between a criminal and a crazy person.

I doubt if some suburban kid did not have easy access to a gun, he would be willing and able to go through highly illegal channels which would lead to bad repercussions if caught, so he could go shoot up a kindergarten. Perhaps he would still end up killing his mom with a knife or something when he ends up snapping, but there would be no twenty children caught in the crossfire, unless he really wanted those kids dead for some reason.

In the long run, or if no civilian ever had guns in the first place, it would be nowhere near as easy for a criminal to obtain a gun as everyone makes it sound. Almost all of the 'illegal' guns used by petty criminals to shoot innocent people actually made into circulation through legal means.
Thus more than likely the only criminals who would have the means to 'easily' obtain guns unlawfully would be members of organized crime. And the individuals at such level do not use the guns to shoot up random innocent people or rob houses, as they aim much higher, and generally use them against each other.

MadScientist

There was no Crossfire... the mother was killer in her home, where the weapons were obtained.
The school was secondary and held no meaning, other than its was where his mother taught.
I see it ironic that the Principal and Psychiatrist was killed!

The Guns were legaly obtained. However not properly secured!

2tonecoupegrl

Still watching coverage of this and its really heart breaking

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fliprayzin240sx

WTF is wrong with this world...

As far as gun control, not gonna do jack and shit. Sure you might be able to stop a handful of lunatic like this idiot from obtaining a gun legally but you still have the black market/stolen gun trade.

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Corbic

Cocaine is grown in South America and highly illegal with huge penalties and jail terms associated with it. Any suburban teen can get it if they want too.

Heroin is grown in Afghanistan, a war torn nation thousands of miles away. It has to cross countless boarders and inspection points as well as the Atlantic ocean. You can get it in any city.

I doubt this guy was worried about violating gun laws and what may happen if he got caught trying to get guns.


Also, crazy people will do crazy shit one way or the other.

Attacked kids with a knife -
BBC News - China school knife attack in Henan injures 22 children

Used a knife -

September 11 attacks - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Corbic

Not to mention the internet to teach you how to make improvised explosives, automobiles, knives ect ect.

Corbic

Where do you draw the line? There are Englishmen that want to ban "combat" and kitchen knives..

BBC NEWS | Health | Doctors' kitchen knives ban call

These guys didn't use firearms...
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Bmxer300zx

spoken perfectly
If a sick bastard wants a gun, HE WILL GET ONE! I can get information via google on how to make a bomb outa chemicals around my house all it takes is a sick prick to take and use it.

There was a sicko running around the city with a bow shooting people in the chest with arrows, that mean we should ban those too?
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what about people who plow over others with their car? and drive drunk and take out a family? Ban cars as well?
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Look at all the illegal drugs, WOW thats working good gimme 200$ dollars i'll come back in a hour with 5 different flavors in the city.
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point is it takes a sick fuck to get a gun and aim it at a child and pull the trigger and a bigger coward to end his life via suicide after. If he couldn't get a gun that day due to a "law" he woulda eventually if not resorted to other means to hurt people.

Grenade180sx

So why are we blaming a inanimate object for this? the gun didnt wake up this morning and say" lets go shoot people".

and by banning firearms, criminals/psychopaths/whatever you want to call them

will still get firearms,or will use other means to create destruction. look at the person who stabbed 22 children in china this week with a knife.

hey you cant have a firearm in china, but that seemed to save people right?

1 88 U

How is 22 children injured equal 20 children dead? Pause and think about that for a minute.

Crazy person in the US with a gun kills 26 people.

Crazy person in China with a knife injures 22.

BOROSUN

the only way to stop crazy ppl with guns is people with guns.

rb25_s13*CHUKI

our country is hardly fucked in any way, You do not know what goes on in other countries. Our country is a cake walk in la la land compared to most other countries

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BossHogg

100% agree. Drugs/guns whatever. You want it, you can find it. You can't just ban guns from the public.....crime will skyrocket because there is 0% to fear. I forget what country attempted this (New Zealand?) and shit hit the fan real fast. Home invasions and robbery jumped up like 75% or some shit. I can't remember.

The sole reason I conceal and carry. Things like this. Malls, movie theaters, etc.

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BossHogg

interesting theory, to bad you're wrong. That is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. If you think that is how simple it would be, well.... I wont insult your intelligence.

here you go. Hope it doesn't happen to you. I mean it is your answer.
Violent Crime Increased When Countries Banned Guns

Your logic is flawed. /fps russia "Have nice day"

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fliprayzin240sx

But for a 1st world country, we are pretty fucked. I wouldnt live in the states if I can help it...and before any of you fucks says "well GTFO", trust me, I'm trying.

Shit like this makes me wanna be a pro-advocate of suicide. Fuck suicide prevention. If you wanna kill yourself, just go kill yourself and dont take anybody else with you. Sure hell, not 20 fucking kids who doesnt know any better!!!

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QFT. For fucks sake, targeting the most innocent of all.

future

Don't know if its been posted but now up to 20 kids dead and 7 adults last I heard

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brewster240

how is stealing the guns from his mother getting them legally?

my dad has guns. they are not mine. if you know someone who has guns, and take them, they are not yours to use freely. that is not a legal way to obtain a gun.

towlie

Bushmaster .223

Sig sauer

And a glock


For fucking killing children

MadScientist

You miss understood what I was pointing out, but I see your point.

My point is that they belong to the Mother, whom was the first casualty, and she obtained the weapons legaly. Had she secured the weapons properly, she may have been the only casualty, if at all.
Why she had such weapons to begin with, ___???
Had the son obtained the weapons by any other illegal means, then this could be a greater case for gun control!
Which it is not!!
This is a Mental Health issue, and those around him were in Denial.

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sil80owner

This world is a hell.

DRIFTER-M

If you read the Bible, and are a spiritual Christian (which I feel you must have some knolwegde as you used a certain place for reference), you will know there is no such thing worse.

If you want to fix events like this, our country and our world need to stop being so immoral.

Regardless of your feelings towards Christianity, this is all fortold in the bible. It clearly speaks of the future of the world becoming darker and darker because of how immoral we become.

We teach kids safe sex, not about NOT having sex. We let our children watch killing, simulate killing, while parents have become selfish and neglectful of their job as a parent of monitoring their children. We try to make an excuse for every criminal. The media likes to twist stories and create more grief for the $, not caring about the ripple effect following. We have become tolerant of drug use, we have become tolerant of so many things... it is unimaginable what will be tolerated by the time we are parents, or grandparents. Where does it end?

We are certainly an accepting world, FAR to accepting. That is our problem. Fix it, fix the problem.

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brewster240

she had them because she wanted them.

why are you into nissan 240s? you could just as easily drive a prius.

people that own nissan 240s are dangerous street drifters and kill people street racing. outlaw 240s. oh, your brother got a dui? well then you shouldnt have a car.

Grenade180sx

Now your speculating the weapons weren't secure,

As a firearm owner myself I have more then 1 firearm, what's the issue with owning more then one.

Drifter M

Don't turn this into religious crap, evil people existed since the dawn of man and will always be there no matter what laws are put into place. You know what the first assault weapons were? Rocks and sticks

The only way to help prevent more is speak up when people act different, but everyone's to busy to notice others till its too late.

yoozef

not for or against it (i actually plan on applying for a firearm permit soon) but your source is biased... if you want to make a point, use a reliable source... a quick look at the wikipedia page of Mr. John R. Lott Jr. discredits your source completely... On the other hand when was the last time you've heard of a mass shooting in any of the countries that have gun controls in place?

brewster240

some of the strictest gun control:

U.K. shooter blasted many victims in face - World news - Europe | NBC News

BBC News | EUROPE | 18 dead in German school shooting

Jokela school shooting - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Winnenden school shooting - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

do you need more examples? there are plenty

DRIFTER-M

My point was not to turn this into a religious debate near as much as a moral debate.

I think if you were not predisposed to me being religious, you would realize our views are similar. I agree,we have became lazy as a society. I believe it starts with parenting.

People always like to throw in that the world has always been a bad place, which in some regard is true. But to think that we are not becoming.more desensitized I think is walking blindly. It is clear, even in my life span, that people have become less caring, less respecting of elders and neighbors, selfish, among many other things.

We need to start caring again.

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EnemyS15

The true definition of a coward. Rage against your mom so you take out your family and then decide to continue your rage onto innocent children. Once he was done, he realized a shit storm was coming (in the form of trained guns) and decided to off himself like a pussy would. I get angry just thinking about it.

What we need is to reform Cwp regulations and appoint certain school officials as Cwp , not to be heros, but to possibly change the outcome of an event like this or to be able to protect who he/she can. . People will kill in maniacal, monstrous, and evil ways regardless of what tool you decide to control. Take away guns, they'll use a knife. Take away a knife, threyll use a bomb, take away a bomb, they'll burn the place down. That pussy will burn in hell and suffer while those innocent souls will be at peace.

I'll tell you what. Had it been my child in that school and that fucker was caught... I would say good bye to my family and loved ones and make it my sole purpose to kill that man. I would be ready to spend the rest of my life behind bars, smiling, knowing that monster will not get the satisfaction of living while my childs life was taken.

Corbic

Exactly
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-17426313
Beslan school hostage crisis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia