Who here would be down for a real Harmonically DAMPED crank pulley...? - Zilvia.net Forums | Nissan 240SX (Silvia) and Z (Fairlady) Car Forum

*DALAZ_68* · 01-15-2009, 09:52 PM

no im talking about Egay bullshit im not talking about some shit someone made and weighed it sayin its good to go.im talking about a real harmonically balanced pulley wheel

adaptations for SR's RB's and CA's the more people we get the cheaper they are for the whole

Specs:
# 360 timing marks at 1° intervals
# Adjustable timing disc, for TDC accuracy
# Precision CNC machined 40 Tonne tensile alloy steel hub and vibration dampening ring
# Dampening ring and hub permanently bonded together on TWO axis by our exclusive Tuffbond elastrometric bonding process, ensuring maximum harmful vibrations are absorbed.
# balancer is anodized for durability and appearance
# Absorbs more damaging torsional harmonic vibrations
# Quicker engine acceleration
# Increases engine life
# Lifetime warranty, even for racing use - a world first!
# Never requires maintenance or rebuilding - ever!
# Rated to 1500 HP
# Encapsulated MetaL Jacket® design exceeds AN DRA and SF1 i8.1(USA) requirements
# Fits standard or modified engines
# Affordably priced

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Originally Posted by Raw Brokerage rep

The dampening system is done by a rubber ring.

These balancers will NEVER need servicing or rebuilding due to the process they undergo during manufacturing.

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Yea now looking at the email I believe Ross had a typo in my email address when speaking to you.
it should be, [email protected]

For the CA18 Balancer Prices:

1-4 = $465
5-9 = $445
10 = $415

These prices are in USD, and shipping is an additional $22 anywhere in the continental US. We ship ALL across the world so international ordering is welcomed and can receive their shipping quotes as well through us.

Get 15+ orders among the SR20 guys and yourself and we'll do FREE SHIPPING across the country. So get the word out to your buddies and SR20 owners.

We can set the cut off date for Feb. 18th, which should give everyone time to jump in.

Thanks

Quote:

Originally Posted by raw brokerage

CA18 (6.83 lbs)

Q and A

Q:are they SFI approved?
A:they meet and exceed the 18.1 specifications

Q: what is i pay 5xx dollars but theres enough people to drop the price, wheres my monies man?
A: If the price decreases from the time of payment, you'll be refunded the difference.

Q: ZOMG how can i pay?
A: Can accept Credit cards, PayPal, money orders, and bank transfers

Q: what if i dont have a CA! i have an SR/RB!!! what do i do
A: SR20 Balancers will be the same price as the listed CA18 balancer prices.RB balancers are a bit more, I'll deal with those guys, lol

Q: what if im MS, my trigger wheel, now what?
A: by using the bolts on the front you will not have any issues when mounting trigger wheels and other attachments. (if any are looking for dry sump drives, let me know

Q: From what i understand, this will help our engines rotate easier, or with less vibrational abnormalities?
Q:I plan on tracking my car/engine as much as i can afford. Does it matter what kind of flywheel is on the other end of the crankshaft? I have an aftermarket lightweight flywheel if it makes a difference.

A:To try to answer those concerns

1) Lighter = less rotational mass = freer revs

Note that this is no ordinary underdrive lighten pulley (which are notably cheaper), yet a full on harmonic damper. Instead or just driving the other other pulleys without providing any harmonic dampering support.

2) Less harmful vibrations = longer engine life & less loss of power.

Balancers are less of a power added and more of an insurance/preventive maintenance piece. Your current balancer is 10/10 as old as your engine. Dried up and cracking where it use to provide harmonic dampering. Having a balancer fly apart on a weekend track day wouldn't be fun for you or the motor.

Plus it makes your engine look sexy... and always nice to know that your parts will deliver their best over 3 times the power of which you are making.

Flywheel = not of much concern. Many engine builds will have these balanced with the rotating assembly and additional weight will be removed from the wheel wheel to get things in check. But if you arn't at that level, it's not an issue to worry about.Warranty covers any manufacture defect for the original owner of the balancer, for life even through racing use
COMPANY LINK

http://www.rosstuffbond.com.au/

HalveBlue · 01-15-2009, 10:37 PM

Without a price range and design description this thread is pointless.

How about you post some basics so we can all give you some honest feedback?

For the right prices and proper design, yes I'd be interested.

Bigsyke · 01-15-2009, 10:46 PM

So, your trying to make another ATI pulley?

*!Zar!* · 01-15-2009, 10:47 PM

Best bet is to go with ATI if you are looking for a harmonic pulley

*DALAZ_68* · 01-15-2009, 10:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HalveBlue

Without a price range and design description this thread is pointless.

How about you post some basics so we can all give you some honest feedback?

For the right prices and proper design, yes I'd be interested.

ill just add some of the points given to us in our original thread for ur viewing pleasure

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bigsyke

So, your trying to make another ATI pulley?

we contacted them but shipping and pricing was not worth the effort, these guys were willign to work wiht us and are quick to reply

240esux · 01-15-2009, 11:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by !Zar!

Best bet is to go with ATI if you are looking for a harmonic pulley

why? whats wrong with this one?

*DALAZ_68* · 01-15-2009, 11:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by !Zar!

Best bet is to go with ATI if you are looking for a harmonic pulley

ATI prices were 500+ whilst these gents (who BTW already make them but are not listed) gave us a sweeter deal, not just that but a group buy that the more people we get, the price drops further

our initial plan was ATI

CSil80 · 01-15-2009, 11:31 PM

Any options for us KA guys?
Or are we up the creek on this deal?

*DALAZ_68* · 01-15-2009, 11:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CSil80

Any options for us KA guys?
Or are we up the creek on this deal?

now you know how us CA gusy feel lol

ill ask for yah and post answer here when i get a chance

HalveBlue · 01-16-2009, 01:06 AM

nice. id love to get on this as this seems like a quality product. but finances are tight right now and feb is way too soon .

good luck with this tho. hope it works out.

pr0ject TRUENO · 01-16-2009, 01:11 AM

doesnt fluiddamper make one for our cars?

DreamN · 01-16-2009, 01:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CSil80

Any options for us KA guys?
Or are we up the creek on this deal?

ATI makes one for $450 or so.

xs240 · 01-16-2009, 06:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DreamN

ATI makes one for $450 or so.

That's MAD expensive man...

How about us KA guys?

DreamN · 01-16-2009, 07:19 AM

For the CA18/SR20 Balancer Prices:

1-4 = $465
5-9 = $445
10 = $415

^ These are the prices listed for the CA and SR (Read FAQ). The KA would be around the same as well, so I don't know how that is "MAD expensive" when it's what these things sell for. If ATI won't do a group buy then a talk with phase2motortrend.com is in order. They sell for $450, but with a large enough order I'm sure a discounted price could be attained.

ATI also makes one for the SR and that one goes for only $10 cheaper at 240sxmotoring.com. For the CA guys this would be a great deal, but for the SR and KA guys there is already a product out there. You just got to pay to play is all.

Though I'm completely for it if Steven is able to get one setup for the KA at a cheaper starting rate than the ATI one.

*DALAZ_68* · 01-16-2009, 08:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xs240

That's MAD expensive man...

How about us KA guys?

yes they can make them, 10 KA pulleys are needed to fire up the CNC for you gents, my suggestion, go round up some people to this thread. as far as price im still waiting for response

Quote:

Originally Posted by DreamN

For the CA18/SR20 Balancer Prices:

1-4 = $465
5-9 = $445
10 = $415

^ These are the prices listed for the CA and SR (Read FAQ). The KA would be around the same as well, so I don't know how that is "MAD expensive" when it's what these things sell for. If ATI won't do a group buy then a talk with phase2motortrend.com is in order. They sell for $450, but with a large enough order I'm sure a discounted price could be attained.

ATI also makes one for the SR and that one goes for only $10 cheaper at 240sxmotoring.com. For the CA guys this would be a great deal, but for the SR and KA guys there is already a product out there. You just got to pay to play is all.

Though I'm completely for it if Steven is able to get one setup for the KA at a cheaper starting rate than the ATI one.

if we buy in large enough bullks, this would be worth it for the SR guys just the same,

KA's- u need a minimum of 10 orders for them to fined it worth making, price im not sure, the more we would have i doubt itll to different

SR/CA guys - doesnt matter if we have 5 SR guys and 5 CA guys, in total we would have 10 and would drop the price to 415, not just that, if we get further along it might even get better, plus free shipping...how can you beat that...

*DALAZ_68* · 01-17-2009, 09:17 AM

so no one is intrested?

*DALAZ_68* · 01-22-2009, 10:00 PM

seriously now?

Slammed180 · 01-22-2009, 10:09 PM

Fuck yes, this would be perfect for my tomei CA.

sac · 01-22-2009, 10:19 PM

Sorry man, if i am not happy with the ls1 set up i would jump on it.. but come on.. think that will happen?

***S14DB*** · 01-22-2009, 10:33 PM

These are Harmonic Dampers not Balancers. The crank is internally balanced.

Real Killer is the price. ATI can be had for the same or less and is SFI "Manufacturer Certified". Not, "meets their specifications". ATI is also NASCAR, IHRA and IHRA approved.
http://store.summitracing.com/partde...5&autoview=sku $377.95

This crap meets their specifications also:

*DALAZ_68* · 01-23-2009, 09:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sac

Sorry man, if i am not happy with the ls1 set up i would jump on it.. but come on.. think that will happen?

yes....

Quote:

Originally Posted by S14DB

These are Harmonic Dampers not Balancers. The crank is internally balanced.

you right, i messed up on the title...if you could change it youd be a doll!...
as far as pricing, we were looking at ATI, but the company we contacted aside from ATI already makes them and was willign to do a group buy for us.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slammed180

Fuck yes, this would be perfect for my tomei CA.

Do it...i really think you should

Style · 01-23-2009, 10:20 AM

$378 bucks, cant beat that price man

*DALAZ_68* · 01-23-2009, 10:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Style

$378 bucks, cant beat that price man

for the Sr units maybe, but for the CA guys its a deal, Its no secret Sr's have a shit load more support in the aftermarket set, CA guys are lucky to find half the shit we need, the GB is mainly focused for the CA people, we just thought of extending the offer to other nissan motors, and like we said, the more we get the less it becomes, funny thing that you missed that part...seeing as SR people out number CA's 1 to 30.

SochBAT · 01-23-2009, 11:19 AM

Just like S14DB said, I was thinking "Aren't our engines internally balanced?"

If i had SR, i'd be all over this. people fail to realize the power you regain from a lightened crank that's properly balanced and nicely damped.

*DALAZ_68* · 01-23-2009, 11:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Soooshi

Just like S14DB said, I was thinking "Aren't our engines internally balanced?"

If i had SR, i'd be all over this. people fail to realize the power you regain from a lightened crank that's properly balanced and nicely damped.

yup, and decide to a run a POS egay aluminum unit that is causing more harm than anything...

makes me laugh when i see people ''upgrade'' there P/S W/P and ALT pullies... yet cheaped out on the Crank...w/e

i do hope some people from here get in on this, Zilvia is one of the biggest (if nto THE biggest) sites in Socal, we extended the offer to other site here and over seas, so yeah...

SochBAT · 01-23-2009, 03:00 PM

I really don't see why you'd need to 'upgrade' your pulleys for anything besides the crank.

Shiny?

Om1kron · 01-23-2009, 03:53 PM

you can powdercoat all of your shit and make it shinny. cept the crank pulley it has some hard rubber shit all over the back of it which obviously would crack or melt and die.

the water pump pulley should be made larger like the stance unit.

i added nothing on topic to this thread

you're welcome.

***S14DB*** · 01-23-2009, 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Soooshi

I really don't see why you'd need to 'upgrade' your pulleys for anything besides the crank.

Shiny?

Couple pounds off the accessory drive. Those OEM units are heavy. Any reduction in parasitic loss is free HP.

But with the ATI units being $377.95 at Summit, I dunno why some would want to go with this for SR.

SochBAT · 01-23-2009, 05:21 PM

CosmoRacing Crank pulley for SOHCs. <3

*DALAZ_68* · 01-26-2009, 10:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Soooshi

I really don't see why you'd need to 'upgrade' your pulleys for anything besides the crank.

Shiny?

[quote=S14DB;2589252]Couple pounds off the accessory drive. Those OEM units are heavy. Any reduction in parasitic loss is free HP.

[quote]

yes thank you

Quote:

But with the ATI units being $377.95 at Summit, I dunno why some would want to go with this for SR.

like stated b4 and again... this was mainly for the CA guys,who have less options that SR people, seeing as there are more SR's out there,if we could combine and make a massive group buy we could possibly get a better deal, how much i dunno but it would depend on the numbers of buyers...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Om1kron

you can powdercoat all of your shit and make it shinny. cept the crank pulley it has some hard rubber shit all over the back of it which obviously would crack or melt and die.

the water pump pulley should be made larger like the stance unit.

i added nothing on topic to this thread

you're welcome.

yes you can powder coat the OEM unit...the rubber in the rear is tougher than you think even if it is 18yr old rubber...if u want some info, ill PM you a link since its from a different sight and its pretty well written

01-15-2009, 10:47 PM	#4
!Zar! Premium Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: North Korea Posts: 14,576 Trader Rating: (27) Feedback Score: 27 reviews	Best bet is to go with ATI if you are looking for a harmonic pulley __________________

01-16-2009, 01:11 AM	#11
pr0ject TRUENO Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: san jose CA Posts: 1,012 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	doesnt fluiddamper make one for our cars? __________________ http://www.norcaldrift.org

01-16-2009, 07:19 AM	#14
DreamN Post Whore! Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: SoCal - 818 Age: 36 Posts: 10,691 Trader Rating: (54) Rides Gallery: DreamN Feedback Score: 54 reviews	For the CA18/SR20 Balancer Prices: 1-4 = $465 5-9 = $445 10 = $415 ^ These are the prices listed for the CA and SR (Read FAQ). The KA would be around the same as well, so I don't know how that is "MAD expensive" when it's what these things sell for. If ATI won't do a group buy then a talk with phase2motortrend.com is in order. They sell for $450, but with a large enough order I'm sure a discounted price could be attained. ATI also makes one for the SR and that one goes for only $10 cheaper at 240sxmotoring.com. For the CA guys this would be a great deal, but for the SR and KA guys there is already a product out there. You just got to pay to play is all. Though I'm completely for it if Steven is able to get one setup for the KA at a cheaper starting rate than the ATI one. __________________ - Jimmy Wanted: TBD For Sale: TBD

01-17-2009, 09:17 AM	#16
DALAZ_68 not giving a fuck Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Los angeles Age: 35 Posts: 15,080 Trader Rating: (104) Feedback Score: 104 reviews	so no one is intrested? __________________ LOL 240... whats better than 1? 5 1's ...lol PSN & XBL GT : Wh0pp3r68 CLUB LEXUS : Wh0pp3r

01-22-2009, 10:00 PM	#17
DALAZ_68 not giving a fuck Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Los angeles Age: 35 Posts: 15,080 Trader Rating: (104) Feedback Score: 104 reviews	seriously now? __________________ LOL 240... whats better than 1? 5 1's ...lol PSN & XBL GT : Wh0pp3r68 CLUB LEXUS : Wh0pp3r

01-15-2009, 10:37 PM	#2
HalveBlue Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: I'm somewhere where I don't know where I am! Posts: 1,549 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Without a price range and design description this thread is pointless. How about you post some basics so we can all give you some honest feedback? For the right prices and proper design, yes I'd be interested.

01-15-2009, 10:46 PM	#3
Bigsyke Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: NA Age: 36 Posts: 1,342 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	So, your trying to make another ATI pulley?

01-15-2009, 11:31 PM	#8
CSil80 Banned from the Marketplace Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: So Cal - 951 Age: 34 Posts: 406 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	Any options for us KA guys? Or are we up the creek on this deal?

01-16-2009, 01:06 AM	#10
HalveBlue Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: I'm somewhere where I don't know where I am! Posts: 1,549 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	nice. id love to get on this as this seems like a quality product. but finances are tight right now and feb is way too soon . good luck with this tho. hope it works out.

01-22-2009, 10:09 PM	#18
Slammed180 Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Calgary, Canada Age: 34 Posts: 1,445 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Fuck yes, this would be perfect for my tomei CA. __________________ Blow me, bitches.

01-22-2009, 10:19 PM	#19
sac Zilvia Addict Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: The SLC, Utah Age: 36 Posts: 794 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	Sorry man, if i am not happy with the ls1 set up i would jump on it.. but come on.. think that will happen? __________________ 99rs coupe Currently Collecting parts for STi swap

01-22-2009, 10:33 PM	#20
*S14DB* AFC #1 Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: 昨晩あなたのお母さんの家 Posts: 20,181 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	These are Harmonic Dampers not Balancers. The crank is internally balanced. Real Killer is the price. ATI can be had for the same or less and is SFI "Manufacturer Certified". Not, "meets their specifications". ATI is also NASCAR, IHRA and IHRA approved. http://store.summitracing.com/partde...5&autoview=sku $377.95 This crap meets their specifications also: __________________ Comments should be taken as Opinions not as Statements of Fact

01-23-2009, 10:20 AM	#22
Style Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: on the corner Posts: 337 Trader Rating: (10) Feedback Score: 10 reviews	$378 bucks, cant beat that price man

01-23-2009, 11:19 AM	#24
SochBAT Post Whore! Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Abilene, TX Age: 35 Posts: 6,428 Trader Rating: (9) Rides Gallery: SochBAT Feedback Score: 9 reviews	Just like S14DB said, I was thinking "Aren't our engines internally balanced?" If i had SR, i'd be all over this. people fail to realize the power you regain from a lightened crank that's properly balanced and nicely damped.

01-23-2009, 03:00 PM	#26
SochBAT Post Whore! Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Abilene, TX Age: 35 Posts: 6,428 Trader Rating: (9) Rides Gallery: SochBAT Feedback Score: 9 reviews	I really don't see why you'd need to 'upgrade' your pulleys for anything besides the crank. Shiny?

01-23-2009, 03:53 PM	#27
Om1kron Post Whore! Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Simi Valley, CA Age: 40 Posts: 6,879 Trader Rating: (15) Feedback Score: 15 reviews	you can powdercoat all of your shit and make it shinny. cept the crank pulley it has some hard rubber shit all over the back of it which obviously would crack or melt and die. the water pump pulley should be made larger like the stance unit. i added nothing on topic to this thread you're welcome. __________________ Wayne

01-23-2009, 05:21 PM	#29
SochBAT Post Whore! Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Abilene, TX Age: 35 Posts: 6,428 Trader Rating: (9) Rides Gallery: SochBAT Feedback Score: 9 reviews	CosmoRacing Crank pulley for SOHCs. <3

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