ranger240

post all reasons why this guy is lame.

rules:

1. No pro-Obama arguments or rebuttals (save it for http://zilvia.net/f/loud-noises/2827...ml#post3066258)

2. No whining and or excessive unfounded rhetoric

3. Hyperlinks and quotes to articles encouraged

this thread is to help keep all the subjective out of other threads and to strengthen personal political positions

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SexPanda

I don't like how hes running america... As a matter of fact, I don't like politicians period. They're all a bunch of liars cheats and theives, just trying to stay in power.

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ranger240

i'll start edit: 2nd post.. lets get this (and the pro obama) thread going

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Mi Beardo es Loco

I just hate current government. HATE Republicans because of their bible bangers and hate Dems for being such money printing pussies. Obama hasn't been an absolute horrible president but has proven to be a corporatist.

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S13Boosts

HES WHITE NOT BLACK!!!! RMR THAT!!! hahah

Drift N Dragg

Soicalist Healthcare Plan = Not Capitalist/Democratic

Government Owned Banks and Auto Companies = OH SHIT!

I will not even bring up the Olympics Statement = FAIL!

How many T.V. Show's does a President have to Attend = T.V Star or President?

Say's he is attentive to all Views, But slams all Views but his Own.. Hmmmm = FAIL

Can't stop Complaining about the Previous President, Who Care's .. He admitted he Fucked Up so Presson and more forward...

Who's care's if he is Black, It's not a reason to over look Mistakes that he does..

Just My Opinion... I believe he would be a Ok president if he got his head Removed from his Butt..

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S14_Kouki

So do you all think Mccain would have done a better job in office?? Who would you pick.

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ronmcdon

Don't think McCain would have had a real chance.
It's pretty fair to say that after Bush's term,
the whole republican party got a neg rep.
They lost lots of seats in congress.

But to answer your question, idk.
I do think that (given his past record),
he has proven to be more of a moderate than Obama.
(Imo, Obama views verge on the FAR left)
Generally, I prefer moderates (Democrat, Rep, or Indie)

HOWEVER!!!!
What is absolutely horrifying is having Sarah Palin as the VP.
If McCain passes away, I don't want some right wing radical (& idiot) taking office.
I was leaning on voting for McCain until Palin showed up.

Clinton had some chance.
I DID vote for Hilary in the Democrat primaries.
Would have much preferred the relatively moderate (compared to Obama) Clinton in office.
At least you would have some idea of what to expect.
Think even the conservatives here (I don't consider myself one) would probably agree that would have been the lesser evil.

upsdude

nope i don't think McCain was a good choice either. all of the candidates sucked.

S14_Kouki

So we just picked the least suckest candidate

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upsdude

in my opinion yes.

Genovese.Jr

if we never had a bailout the economy would of leveld out and the us dollar would still hold some of its value just watched a video in school about this today how random

Sleepy240

best thread evar!!

Obama Healthcare FTL!! Makes me angry

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singlecamslam

Wheres RJF?

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usdm180sx

Obama is AWESOME. He called kanye a JACK ASS

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let5l1de

haha! GObama @ real awesomeness when he called kanye a JACK ASS! I just wish kanye would get his ass kicked a few times by other random artists and jay-z. kanye image or not, you bleed like all of us...

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S14_Kouki

So will anyone answer my question???

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S14_Kouki

What about Ron Paul anyone like him??

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ronmcdon

is that even a realistic candidate?
sure I like him, but he has no chance in hell.

even if he gets elected, he'll probably disagree with congress all the time.
probably nothing will ever get done.

Mi Beardo es Loco

We needed a radical change. RP was probably the best candidate to improve on the economy and was the most conservative Republican in the party but the Toby Keith listeners couldn't take him seriously because of his lack of involvment in the church and he was so much of a different Republican than what the midstates has grown to know and love.

And with all this legalizing cannabis talk I'm not sure if this country is turning to a hybrid Libertarian state, maybe Barr was the man that could have made a difference.

Clinton probably would have been more conservative but may have been more proactive than Obama. She would have been the most likely candidate to actually make a change.

Giuliani was also another great leader but was way too cocky for the primary that McCain beat him out.

And to look back in the past, McCain SHOULD have been the Republican nominee in 99. Bush slandered his "friend" and his personal life. It turned to be very typical of the next 8 years. And who here really thinks that McCain would have done the same or worst than Bush? I don't. McCain would have more than likely stayed in Afghanistan until the job was done. IF McCain got the same intel that Bush got then he would have at least had a plan going into Iraq. The guy was a lifelong military man and Bush liked to say he served.

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slowpo

I don't like that boy becouse he's a muslin and he hate America I watch the news fox news and is true what they say bamanbo oboma is a communist Glenn beck is right. Let's take America back people

ronmcdon

idk if Ron Paul really would have been the best for the economy 'today'.
It all depends on your stance in terms of government involvement in today's financial crisis, & how you predict Ron Paul would react.

Ron Paul might very well reject all economic stimulus packages,
given his stance on reduced government involvement in all matters.
The current recession would have most likely been hit a lot harder,
and economic recovery would take longer.
Inflation in the long term probably wouldn't be so much of an issue.

I am in the general opinion that some level of stimulus would have been beneficial, albeit probably not on the magnitude of the amount Obama is spending.

With Obama (other end of the spectrum?),
there is positive results in certain sectors of the economy.
the stock market IS improving.
It will take time for unemployment to make some improvement, but I'm optimistic.
Long term inflation will be serious concern.
Well, it has been since the Bush years, but might significantly worsen with all the spending and widening deficits.

In some respects, Obama is playing the odds very well, if he wants to get re-elected.
Shit-load of stimulus is going to get results faster.
It is entirely possible we might be out of the existing recession within 2 yrs (if not less).
Voters pay attention to the existing state of the economy far more closely than gradual changes in inflation.
A more moderate stimulus strategy might not be fast enough to produce good results in 4 yrs.
What is good for presidential re-election might not always be beneficial to the long-term economy.

Again, this is why imo Clinton would have been the best option
(this is the anti-Obama thread, not the anti-Democrat thread).
Allow equal parts, in moderation, government stimulus & economic cycles to work things out.

Regulate ONLY the factors that most likely contributed to the existing economic crisis.
Do NOT give out home loans to ppl who don't have sufficient credit.
Re-evalutate the 'Community Reinvestment Act' (google this if you don't know about it).
Do NOT allow balloon variable interest rate home loans.
Increase all loan qualifications.

Do NOT regulate shit for the sake of regulation or just to create publicity.
Instead of just blaming the private section, question some of the public policies/organizations.
Fannie & Freddie had it's share of issues imo.
Community Reinvestment Act actively encouraged Sub Prime lending.

About McCain, no doubt he would have been better than Bush.
Not too sure about Gore, but I would have been optimistic about Kerry.

Things could always be worse.
Consider Nancy Pelosi, Willie Brown, Glenn Beck, Sarah Palin, or even someone from Zilvia.net as president.

Mi Beardo es Loco

Me! I would make history! First American President with an entourage!!!

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Mr.350Gt

if John McCain won the election i think that the united states would be in more of a bad shape then we are as is,atleast Obama is trying...remember he has to clean up the mess Bush left and thats not going to be an easy job,im not really into politics like that but lets just wait and see how Obama turns out..if it doesnt work out then its back to the "White Man" to run the country

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Sergio180sx

LMFAO they are really related HAHA! i hate Obama!!

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BDMs14

Obama fails because:
*He hasn't snapped his fingers and fixed this whole economy thingy the way McCain/Palin would have.
*He hasn't created the new jobs that he promised to compensate for the jobs that were outsourced by the conservatives for the passed decade.
*He hasn't ended either of the two wars yet. I mean C'mon, all that needs to be done is send a fleet of b52 bombers and just level afganistan and you will have an instant giant parkinglot!
*Foreign policy? are you kidding me? you CANNOT take sides with BOTH the jews AND the palestinians! You MUST choose a side!
*Healthcare !? HE LIES! IT WONT WORK! Is socialsm! or Nazi-izm or hitler or something like that.

Omg I want my vote back!

DeathMetal

This brought a huge smile to my face.

Well done.

I guess 8 months is all it should take to fix 8 years of free-falling into an economic and social tragedy.

It's funny, when Bush was hurdling is into all this garbage, I could still find people who liked Bush and believed he was doing the correct thing.

So few people support our new leader.

ranger240

in other news, OBAMA WON THE NOBEL PEACE PRIZE!! i miss the days when they would award that to people years after their actions were established as pivital towards progress.


im stoaked that this thread has turned out AWESOME.. lets keep it goin guys

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Future240

This post has much truth in it. So many peolple bash the president even though he has only been in office 8 months. It is to be expected though. Our culture centers around the here and now(there is proof of this) while quite a few of his polices are for much later. Due to the way we as Americans are this is obviously conflicting with what a lot of people.

I won't say he is perfect because he has and will make mistakes, however I do say that he just like any American is doing the best to fix the country the way he sees fit.

My problem with politics is not Barack, my problem is the whole Red VS Blue. By its nature having two opposing sides trying to run things is not going to work. Since they disagree with one another inevitably they will hinder each other from accomplish things, either purposefully, or accidentally.

We learn in business all the time, you can't make everyone happy, there has to be some losers. A lot of Republicans are agasint abortion, a lot of Democrats are pro choice, and so on and on. The way to make that work is to come together and figure out how to best benefit the majority. Red and Blue reminds me of a bitter married couple that has to deal with each other all the time but cant stand to be around another.

Lastly, IMO the whole conservative/liberal thing should be done away with as well. I think that should not matter and should have as little influence on politics as possible. Especially when you start breaking it down into the subcategories, liberal conservative, etc.

In the end you can complain about the President all you want, but there are two truths that all must realize are true. One, no matter how much you don't like what he is doing, you do not know the backbstory behind it nor do you know the outcome of it in the future. Two, no matter how much you don't like what he is doing, we are stuck with him for another 3.2 years.

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