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EDacIouSX · 06-24-2010, 05:13 PM

I like how everyone blames BP for this problem. I like how that VIDEO's sole message was that BP and the oil industry aren't taking more actions to be cautious.

Anyone ever stop to think that there's more involved than BP? why aren't there rules and regulations that promote safety when drilling?

And if you guys plan on boy cotting BP, we'll see what happens when/if BP runs out of money....

Don't worry, Obama will save us just like he's saved this economy.

DenkiMan! · 06-24-2010, 05:28 PM

its hurricane season...we havnt seen anything yet. its only a matter of time before the situation gets horribly worse. all it takes is a category 1 hurricane in the vicinity of the gulf area to splatter that shit all over the coast. bp's gonna have a field day with that

*kingkilburn* · 06-24-2010, 05:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EDacIouSX

I like how everyone blames BP for this problem. I like how that VIDEO's sole message was that BP and the oil industry aren't taking more actions to be cautious.

Anyone ever stop to think that there's more involved than BP? why aren't there rules and regulations that promote safety when drilling?

And if you guys plan on boy cotting BP, we'll see what happens when/if BP runs out of money....

Don't worry, Obama will save us just like he's saved this economy.

Who the fucks fault is it supposed to be?

It is their fucking drill on their fucking well.

Their own negligence lead to a mishap. Why on earth should it be anyone's fault but their own.

They need to handle their business and if they can't they can go bankrupt to pay for the rest of us to handle it for them.

Gnnr · 06-25-2010, 02:21 AM

I think its silly to think that boycotting BP wont effect it at all. Its stock has already been tanking.

BP stock price hits new 52-week low - Jun. 24, 2010

If no one buys from them directly, and the only way BP sells its oil is by selling its inventory to other stations, that is not a business model that will keep it afloat.

Gnnr · 07-06-2010, 07:15 AM

Day #78...

Quote:

BP’s Oil Spill Costs Exceed $3B
Posted on: Tuesday, 6 July 2010

BP has spent in excess of $3 billion on the Gulf oil spill as of Monday, the company said.

The costs include efforts to contain and cleanup the oil, the drilling of relief wells that many believe will ultimately stop the leak, and $147 million in compensation to some of those affected by the spill.

"The cost of the response to date amounts to approximately $3.12 billion, including the cost of the spill response, containment, relief well drilling, grants to the Gulf states, claims paid, and federal costs," BP said.

The new figure exceeds the $2.65 billion estimate the firm issued just a week ago.

BP said there are now 44,500 people working on the response to the spill, about 5,000 more than a week ago, BBC News reported.

The company’s share price has plummeted more than 50 percent following the explosion on the Deepwater Horizon oilrig on April 20, which killed 11 workers and created the worst environmental disaster in U.S. history.

Last month, BP decided to suspend its shareholder dividend, and create a $20 billion fund for costs arising from the catastrophe. It is also shedding some non-core assets to raise an additional $10 billion dollars.

Investors remain uncertain about the ultimate financial impact of the disaster, but estimates from some analysts place the final costs in the tens of billions.

The collapse in the company’s share price has led to speculation that BP may become a takeover target.

However, BP spokesman Robert Wine dismissed a Sunday Times report that said the company was turning to competitive oil groups and sovereign wealth funds from Asia and the Middle East to thwart a possible hostile takeover bid.

"We have no current plans to issue new equity," he said during an interview with the AFP news agency.

Bad weather continues to slowdown BP’s cleanup efforts in the Gulf, keeping smaller skimming vessels in harbors in Mississippi, Alabama and Florida, although skimming and other efforts have resumed in the calmer seas off the Louisiana coast.

Meanwhile, a massive Taiwanese ship known as "A Whale" may provide a much-needed boost in the days ahead. Owned by TMT Shipping Offshore, the giant vessel has been converted into the largest oil skimming ship in the world, able to suck up to 21 million gallons (500,000 barrels) of oily water each day through its "jaws" -- vents on the side of the ship.

By comparison, some 500 smaller vessels have only been able to collect a total of 28.2 million gallons (671,428 barrels) of oil-water in ten weeks.

The "A Whale," which traveled from Taiwan to the Gulf, is currently undergoing tests. If all goes well, approval for the vessel to begin skimming operations could come as early as Tuesday.

The Navy's MZ-3A Airship is also expected to reach the Gulf on Tuesday to help detect oil, direct skimming vessels and search for wildlife that may be threatened from the disaster.

The AFP quoted officials as saying that disposal units, known as Heavy Oil Recovery Devices (HORDs), are "greatly improving" clean-up efforts.

As many as 1,000 HORDs are expected to be in operation in the weeks ahead, and will concentrate on sucking up the thick, heavy oil that has thwarted conventional skimming vessels.

The oil leaking on the seafloor of the Gulf has now spewed as much as four million barrels of oil, the AFP reported.

Although BP’s current containment systems can only capture or flare 25,000 barrels of oil daily, that number is set to double upon the arrival of a third vessel on Thursday.

BP said the two relief wells being drilled to permanently stop the leak are still on course for completion by mid-August.

**ThatGuy** · 07-07-2010, 05:57 PM

*kingkilburn* · 07-07-2010, 06:05 PM

I'm not surprised by how long it's taking them to stop the spill(it takes months to drill the secondary holes) but I am surprised with how poorly they are slowing the spill and cleaning it up.

jspaeth · 07-07-2010, 07:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kingkilburn

I'm not surprised by how long it's taking them to stop the spill(it takes months to drill the secondary holes) but I am surprised with how poorly they are slowing the spill and cleaning it up.

That's because the federal government has their hands in the process, which automatically means that

1) It will take forever
2) It will be done in a shitty way
3) Every little thing will have to pass through some sort of a useless bureacratic review

*kingkilburn* · 07-08-2010, 01:34 AM

None of the is necessarily true.

*handinpants* · 07-08-2010, 03:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Agamemnon

This's BP's fault. 100%. They tried to replace hydrolic fluid with seawater in cost cutting measure, but 11 hours later it led to an explosion killing 11 men. Beyond that, they where within the gov't guidelines.

The gov't cant take over because they just dont have the resources BP does.

BP will have to outsource the cleanup, but should be made to pay every cent for the clean up.

Excuse me liberal guy, but do you have any factual proof of this happening?
Bp does not even own that oil rig, they never did. Furthermore why has obama turned down the assistance from 25 different countries to help clean up the spill,
But nooo our president knows what's right for our country.
Drill on our land

*handinpants* · 07-08-2010, 04:03 AM

If anything, I'm buying bp stock, lots of it, cause well after all this cleans up the stock will go back up, also there is no way I am boycotting bp gas, arco has the cheapest gas out of everyone else. I bought stock at $30 a share. I also bought ford stock at $5.00 when the bail outs were happening so far it went up.

bb4_96 · 07-08-2010, 04:59 AM

If the oil companies always prectived best saftest practice they'd surely pass that buck on to the pumps. I'm not going to pay x.xx more at the pump so that these rigs can be safer.

In addition there are much worse issues going on in the world right now than one company's(I guess BP is soley to blame, or the media would have you believe) irresponsible practices.

*handinpants* · 07-08-2010, 06:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kingkilburn

Why not boycott BP? You wont see me buying any of their products anytime soon.

Even when they make the switch away from petroleum I wont buy from them.

Good news kingkilburn, since your mad a bp, and you overlook the fact that bp did not own the oil rig, nor any of its crew, but a huge company called transocean owned that failed rig, and I can't forget to add that transocean owns lots of rigs, they actually lease them to all the other oil companies too. So since you won't be buying gas anymore you obviously have no use for your car, and I am wondering if you would donate it and all its parts to the zilvian community.

One reason I feel bp is getting the blame for this could be due to transoceans limited liability loop hole they used, allowing them to pay out no more than the maximum amount stated in their contract with bp.

Another reason the us gov is going. After bp is because they don't want us to see the big picture, their own fault for lax off shore drilling regulations. You should turn off the tv and read this Think Progress Home Page

One guy on here had a clear point, which correllated to how goldman sachs sold 250k shares of bp stock right before the spill news broke,
Now the shares dropped almost 50%, I'm guessing that they're going to buy soon

jspaeth · 07-08-2010, 07:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jspaeth

That's because the federal government has their hands in the process, which automatically means that

1) It will take forever
2) It will be done in a shitty way
3) Every little thing will have to pass through some sort of a useless bureacratic review

Quote:

Originally Posted by kingkilburn

None of the is necessarily true.

Hahahahha

1) Ever go into a post office?
2) Ever go into a DMV?
3) I have plenty of friends and family members who work for the government, and they all say the same thing

"Half of the people that I work with are stupid or lazy or both".

But it's the government, so you can't even fire them to make the "company" better, because there is no incentive for anything government-related to work a) better or b) more efficiently, because they will always just throw more tax money at the problem.

bb4_96 · 07-08-2010, 10:16 AM

Can't blame the government, It's a democracy. Only way democracy moves smoothly is if alot of bitter old men can agree on something together. And if you followed the "girl punched thread" you know that everyone will never agree on something even if it's pretty blatently obvious. Like a "hung jury effect" if you will.

*kingkilburn* · 07-08-2010, 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by handinpants

Good news kingkilburn, since your mad a bp, and you overlook the fact that bp did not own the oil rig, nor any of its crew, but a huge company called transocean owned that failed rig, and I can't forget to add that transocean owns lots of rigs, they actually lease them to all the other oil companies too. So since you won't be buying gas anymore you obviously have no use for your car, and I am wondering if you would donate it and all its parts to the zilvian community.

One reason I feel bp is getting the blame for this could be due to transoceans limited liability loop hole they used, allowing them to pay out no more than the maximum amount stated in their contract with bp.

Another reason the us gov is going. After bp is because they don't want us to see the big picture, their own fault for lax off shore drilling regulations. You should turn off the tv and read this Think Progress Home Page

One guy on here had a clear point, which correllated to how goldman sachs sold 250k shares of bp stock right before the spill news broke,
Now the shares dropped almost 50%, I'm guessing that they're going to buy soon

BP owned the well. They are ultimately responsible. If they didn't like Transocean's limited liability then they shouldn't have made a contract with them.

I never said I would stop buying gas so I think I will keep my car, thank you. I also NEVER get my news from any tv source. They are always bs.

*kingkilburn* · 07-08-2010, 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jspaeth

Hahahahha

1) Ever go into a post office?
2) Ever go into a DMV?
3) I have plenty of friends and family members who work for the government, and they all say the same thing

"Half of the people that I work with are stupid or lazy or both".

But it's the government, so you can't even fire them to make the "company" better, because there is no incentive for anything government-related to work a) better or b) more efficiently, because they will always just throw more tax money at the problem.

1) Is a government owned BUT privately run company.
2) Grossly understaffed.
3) Good for your friends.

*handinpants* · 07-10-2010, 08:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kingkilburn

BP owned the well. They are ultimately responsible. If they didn't like Transocean's limited liability then they shouldn't have made a cont
ract with them.

I never said I would stop buying gas so I think I will keep my car, thank you. I also NEVER get my news from any tv source. They are always bs.

Seriously kingkilburn, you would look smarter if you had some factual base to your claims, I understand you are only 23, and probably have some more growing up to do, learn about how to listen to the other person who is speaking, and actually comprehend what they are telling you.

Transocean and bp entered an agreement, transocean would lease their oil rig and drill the well. For a set amount of time. The current value of the oil rig at the bottom of the ocean is zero dollars, transocean had the rig open for enough days to earn 27 million from the bp lease agreement.... omg am I really explaining this, just go google transocean bp oilrig lease agreement,
Quit your bitching cause when you talk smack about this, you do not have much facts to back up your garble

*kingkilburn* · 07-10-2010, 11:31 AM

You said it yourself.

BP OWNS THE WELL.

It is ultimately their oil that is leaking into the ocean. They should have better protected their assets. If the contract with Transocean could lead to a mishap like this they should have either negotiated better terms or not agreed to it at all.

In the current case I think BP should take them to court for making a bad faith agreement. If they were going to do such a horrible job maintaining the oil rig they should share some of financial burden.

And seriously fuck you. Just because you think you are right does not give you free reign to be an ass hole. And 4 years does not equal some kind of instant intelligence.

*handinpants* · 07-10-2010, 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kingkilburn

You said it yoursel

In the current case I think BP should take them to court for making a bad faith agreement. If they were going to do such a horrible job maintaining the oil rig they should share some of financial burden.

And seriously fuck you. Just because you think you are right does not give you free reign to be an ass hole. And 4 years does not equal some kind of instant intelligence.

I do believe bp owns the well, howevr they outsourced the drilling and building of the oil rig to transocean, who later outsourced the buildingof the well concrete stuff to haliburton, who won't admit fault for the concrete problem with lead to the collapse of the rig,
It is one big mess for sure.

As for me being an asshole, thanks, the funny thing is a wasn't trying to have free reign just cause I am 4 years older, I was more or less bagging on your lack of facts you have to back up your arguement.

I agree with you, bp has some serious suiting to do with its business partners.

*Agamemnon* · 07-10-2010, 03:10 PM

If Transocean had leased the rig to BP, wouldn't that mean that BP had their own operators on the DeepWater Horizon?

HandinPants - You can call me a bad person, you can call me an asshole, you can even call me worse than Hitler, but if you ever call me a liberal again I will hunt you down and fight you. True story.

*kingkilburn* · 07-10-2010, 08:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by handinpants

I do believe bp owns the well, howevr they outsourced the drilling and building of the oil rig to transocean, who later outsourced the buildingof the well concrete stuff to haliburton, who won't admit fault for the concrete problem with lead to the collapse of the rig,
It is one big mess for sure.

As for me being an asshole, thanks, the funny thing is a wasn't trying to have free reign just cause I am 4 years older, I was more or less bagging on your lack of facts you have to back up your arguement.

I agree with you, bp has some serious suiting to do with its business partners.

You are just passing the blame around.

I don't see any info that isn't public knowledge in my argument. Next time you want to question my sources do so directly and don't be an ass hat about it. Asking for proof is reasonable being a dick is not.

Ceepo · 07-11-2010, 01:11 AM

I still feel a nuke is best...

wh0aitznic0 · 07-16-2010, 01:18 AM

It's capped.

*kingkilburn* · 07-16-2010, 03:12 AM

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/17/us/17spill.html

The article seams to be written from the future though.

Slammed Assassin · 07-16-2010, 03:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wh0aitznic0

It's capped.

if its true then, Finally!!!

*kingkilburn* · 07-16-2010, 04:27 AM

It's not a permanent solution but at least it's stopped until the finish the side wells.

**ThatGuy** · 07-18-2010, 06:09 PM

cc4usmc · 07-18-2010, 07:35 PM

rofl. that's pretty clever.

*kingkilburn* · 07-18-2010, 08:59 PM

Buy BP and never SeaFoam your engine again.

06-25-2010, 02:21 AM	#64
Gnnr Post Whore! Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: S. FL Posts: 3,960 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I think its silly to think that boycotting BP wont effect it at all. Its stock has already been tanking. BP stock price hits new 52-week low - Jun. 24, 2010 If no one buys from them directly, and the only way BP sells its oil is by selling its inventory to other stations, that is not a business model that will keep it afloat. __________________

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07-07-2010, 06:05 PM	#67
kingkilburn Philosopher King Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: FresYes Posts: 3,041 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I'm not surprised by how long it's taking them to stop the spill(it takes months to drill the secondary holes) but I am surprised with how poorly they are slowing the spill and cleaning it up. __________________ G O L D E N B E A R R E P U B L I C

07-08-2010, 01:34 AM	#69
kingkilburn Philosopher King Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: FresYes Posts: 3,041 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	None of the is necessarily true. __________________ G O L D E N B E A R R E P U B L I C

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handinpants FreshColdBeer.com Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: California Age: 38 Posts: 2,665 Trader Rating: (48) Rides Gallery: handinpants Feedback Score: 48 reviews	If anything, I'm buying bp stock, lots of it, cause well after all this cleans up the stock will go back up, also there is no way I am boycotting bp gas, arco has the cheapest gas out of everyone else. I bought stock at $30 a share. I also bought ford stock at $5.00 when the bail outs were happening so far it went up. __________________

06-24-2010, 05:13 PM	#61
EDacIouSX Post Whore! Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Los Angeles Age: 35 Posts: 4,527 Trader Rating: (53) Rides Gallery: EDacIouSX Feedback Score: 53 reviews	I like how everyone blames BP for this problem. I like how that VIDEO's sole message was that BP and the oil industry aren't taking more actions to be cautious. Anyone ever stop to think that there's more involved than BP? why aren't there rules and regulations that promote safety when drilling? And if you guys plan on boy cotting BP, we'll see what happens when/if BP runs out of money.... Don't worry, Obama will save us just like he's saved this economy.

07-08-2010, 04:59 AM	#72
bb4_96 Zilvia Addict Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Under my car Posts: 785 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	If the oil companies always prectived best saftest practice they'd surely pass that buck on to the pumps. I'm not going to pay x.xx more at the pump so that these rigs can be safer. In addition there are much worse issues going on in the world right now than one company's(I guess BP is soley to blame, or the media would have you believe) irresponsible practices.

07-08-2010, 10:16 AM	#75
bb4_96 Zilvia Addict Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Under my car Posts: 785 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	Can't blame the government, It's a democracy. Only way democracy moves smoothly is if alot of bitter old men can agree on something together. And if you followed the "girl punched thread" you know that everyone will never agree on something even if it's pretty blatently obvious. Like a "hung jury effect" if you will.

07-10-2010, 11:31 AM	#79
kingkilburn Philosopher King Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: FresYes Posts: 3,041 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	You said it yourself. BP OWNS THE WELL. It is ultimately their oil that is leaking into the ocean. They should have better protected their assets. If the contract with Transocean could lead to a mishap like this they should have either negotiated better terms or not agreed to it at all. In the current case I think BP should take them to court for making a bad faith agreement. If they were going to do such a horrible job maintaining the oil rig they should share some of financial burden. And seriously fuck you. Just because you think you are right does not give you free reign to be an ass hole. And 4 years does not equal some kind of instant intelligence. __________________ G O L D E N B E A R R E P U B L I C

07-10-2010, 03:10 PM	#81
Agamemnon Premium Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Lake Stevens, WA Age: 38 Posts: 2,585 Trader Rating: (20) Feedback Score: 20 reviews	If Transocean had leased the rig to BP, wouldn't that mean that BP had their own operators on the DeepWater Horizon? HandinPants - You can call me a bad person, you can call me an asshole, you can even call me worse than Hitler, but if you ever call me a liberal again I will hunt you down and fight you. True story.

07-11-2010, 01:11 AM	#83
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07-16-2010, 03:12 AM	#85
kingkilburn Philosopher King Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: FresYes Posts: 3,041 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/17/us/17spill.html The article seams to be written from the future though. __________________ G O L D E N B E A R R E P U B L I C

07-16-2010, 04:27 AM	#87
kingkilburn Philosopher King Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: FresYes Posts: 3,041 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	It's not a permanent solution but at least it's stopped until the finish the side wells. __________________ G O L D E N B E A R R E P U B L I C

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07-18-2010, 08:59 PM	#90
kingkilburn Philosopher King Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: FresYes Posts: 3,041 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Buy BP and never SeaFoam your engine again. __________________ G O L D E N B E A R R E P U B L I C

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