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Old 07-15-2009, 09:13 AM   #1
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modded pignose front bumpers

Ok first off ive looked every where, the picture thread, searched "pig nose modded bumper" along with some other phrases, googled and everything and only came accross about 2 pictures of something kind of what im looking for...

Anyway im looking to see pics of pignose bumpers with the center peice cut out, and along with that if anyone ever completely did away with the two fake grills? I guess like filled or "shaved" them. Im contemplating buying a pignose front end tonight because im hurting money wise and i need a front end among some other things to get my car back on the road. I really would like to save up for the silvia but right now, with the possibility of being jobless every other week i dont think thats possible. So yeah anyway you guys can post up some pics of what im looking for? or know if shaving the fake grills have ever been done?

edit: something like this maybe?

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Old 07-15-2009, 01:38 PM   #2
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Never seen it done before, but it doesn't look bad, kinda like a kouki z31/R200 or whatever those that came with a RB20 were called.
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cut the fake grills out. looks much better
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here's a pignose with shaved pignose



god, that looks so much better, Nissan should have just made them that way!
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Old 07-15-2009, 02:23 PM   #5
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^True, but if all you have is an old bumper, materials, time and skills why the fuck not.
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the bumper will just sag without the center piece.
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its a stock bumper. leave it stock
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jus buy a chuki bumper instead
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I cut the upper vents out with a die grinder, when I get it painted I will post some pics. I wanted a source of fresh air directed right at the radiator. It will definatley serve that purpose, as far as not looking retarded it's hard to tell right now with all the paint scuffed up. In regards to cutting out the lower portion I am sure it can and has been done, but like was mentioned before the lower portion is going to sag like a mother!
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I cut the upper vents out with a die grinder, when I get it painted I will post some pics. I wanted a source of fresh air directed right at the radiator.
I could have SWORN thats what the lower bumper openings did...

Dammit. Time to go back to the drawing board...
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i cut my vents open when i had the sohc bumper

worked like a charm, not really noticeable though.
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I could have SWORN thats what the lower bumper openings did...

Dammit. Time to go back to the drawing board...
haha. youll get it after a few beers and sleepless nights

edit. and wtf is up with the hood on the first pic. looks like that shiny vinyl overlay
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you should see the tail lights on that car =) *sorry no pic
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i think if i use a chuki/pignose lip mounting hardware on the lip the bumper wont sag as much as some of you may think. When i put my pignose lip on my chuki it didnt sag really much at all.

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dont worry dudes i got this covered. you can do what i did to my old bumper cuz i just kept cutting and cutting and cutting till i wound up with this...

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I could have SWORN thats what the lower bumper openings did...

Dammit. Time to go back to the drawing board...
you missed one key word in my statement.. "fresh" ... The air coming in the bottom vents is directed into my intercooler before passing into the radiator.
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you should see the tail lights on that car =) *sorry no pic
I like the lip and sides, time to do that to mine
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perfect! theres your mod rite there OP
great just what i was looking for. The Pignose to Large mouth bass conversion....


WTF I rather have meat head permanently in my passenger seat, then that thing on my car haha
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great just what i was looking for. The Pignose to Large mouth bass conversion....


WTF I rather have meat head permanently in my passenger seat, then that thing on my car haha
haha wow that opening is wider than a 2 dollar whore
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pig noes is the ugliest shit ever. you should just upgrade to a chuki front. it would probably be cheaper.
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you should see the tail lights on that car =) *sorry no pic

i have been looking for more pics of this car for forever.
heres the only one i have.
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No need to modify them, they can look fine as-is.



Seriously it's a stock bumper. It's tough as nails, looks OK, fits great, and doesn't cost anything.

Hate it, or live with it.

Getting on an ego trip about which stock bumper to run is so retarded it's giving me a headache.
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No need to modify them, they can look fine as-is.



Seriously it's a stock bumper. It's tough as nails, looks OK, fits great, and doesn't cost anything.

Hate it, or live with it.

Getting on an ego trip about which stock bumper to run is so retarded it's giving me a headache.
if it hurts you so much why even post......
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do NOT cut out the vents

heres what you do.

you reach around (haha i said reach around) and pop out the little push washer things that hold the black plastic pieces on. theyre around the hood latch

then theres like 2 plastic rod things (haha i said reach around & rod in the same post LOLZZ) you push those suckers out

the plastic peices are held in with foam double sided tap

next step. goo-gone the foam tape residue leaving just the 4 holes total and the former grills into body colored sections. detail it up and it'll look way better and less pig-ish


i'll post a pic soon


stock zenki bumper w/o plastic fake-vents = budget win

hope you have a front spoiler thang to finish it off
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It's summer, I'm a student, and I don't have work until 5 pm.

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heres the only one i have.
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not bad...
if your on a budget

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here's a pignose with shaved pignose



god, that looks so much better, Nissan should have just made them that way!


HINT....thats a chuki bumper thats why it doesnt have the vents
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wow.............
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Thank you kind sir, it was puzzling me for hours upon hours as I was in a debacle amongst myself as to why the front fascia depicted in that illustration did not appear to resemble the likes of the fascia on my automobile, the one that you beings refer to as a 240sx.
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