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Old 08-30-2011, 11:54 AM   #61
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Wiz goes hard

Jay can suck my dick cause he's never made a good song


sir, you have lost all/if any credibility. go listen to Reasonable Doubt/The Blueprint and stfu.

wiz is soft. he has some shit here and there.
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the album wasint exactly the greatest in my opinion. only worth songs mentioning were collabs
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I have faith he can bring it back to the quality of the Black Album. But something in his life needs to change for that to happen.
Well, he's got a new kid on the way now with Bey... But I doubt thats gonna make him still going harder on the mike again. Hell, might get softer.
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Wiz goes hard
Wayne has a couple hits
Jay can suck my dick cause he's never made a good song
Kanye is honestly one if my favs.he just first give a fuck

And I'm still trying to figure out who the fuck Tyler the creator is
Are you fucking kidding me? I guess not since you're the same dumbass who thinks there are no part importers on the west coast and that Meihan Sportsland is a 'weak' track.
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I love the whole damn album! but he's is not the best rapper alive, Just saying...

Ceilings and this one are my far best tho.
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What Wiz Khalifa, Drake and Big Sean - to name three - represent is this new beta-male pussy-ass soft dude rap that I just cannot allow myself to get into. Skinny jeans, tight shirts and a bunch of singing and crying.
Fuck that.
Wiz WAS amazing. No, seriously. Ever since "Black and Yellow" or hell even "Say Yeah" he fell the FUCK off. He let all the fame get to his head.

For example, Black and Yellow was produced by Stargate. After it was such a hit, Wiz is like, "Fuck all my underground shit, this is what sells, this is what imma do" so he did "Roll Up" and thats pretty much why "Rolling Papers" was a TOTAL flop. Except for "Rooftops", just because Hot Spitta (Curren$y) saved that song.

One of my buddies that I went to high school with was listening to Wiz since he was in 8th grade. He always used to tell everyone about him and nobody knew who he was. Nowadays? He HATES Wiz. And I don't blame him. It's sad to see someone sell out like that.

Big Sean is pretty talented, he by chance somehow met Kanye couple years back, and begged him for a chance. He then proceeded to rap his ass off for a couple minutes, which led to him getting signed to G.O.O.D (Getting Out Our Dreams) Music. Yeah "Finally Famous the Album" wasn't all that great, but it's his best attempt at being mainstream.

All Big Seans good shit were his "Finally Famous" mix tapes.

For some quick slappers: "Meant to Be" "What You Doin?" Go hard.

Drake. Poor guy. He had the talent to change everything (Look at his OLD, OLD mixtapes, "Room For Improvement/Comeback Season" 2006/07 era shit. Then he got signed to Young Money and it went downhill. I honestly believe that he is a talented singer, and a talented rapper, and if him and Wayne are both on a track it's a guaranteed BANGER (depending on the producer that is). Look at "Ransom" one of my favorite of their collaborations, what made it so great was that Boi-1da beat, Wayne and Drake naturally just took it apart. Boi-1da puts out fucking heat. Looking forward to this Wayne and Drake album coming out sometime maybe this year (knowing YMCMB, probably next year....)

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Seriously Wiz goes hard? What track does he really go in on?
"Deal or no Deal" is one of his best albums ever. And sadly, not many people even know about his good shit, they only think about "Black and Yellow" - Present.

Producers have SUCH a huuuuuuge impact on rappers it's not even funny. The beats are the canvas in which rappers make sweet music too. Johnny Juliano, Sledgren, Jerm, ect made all of Wiz's good beats in his prime. Sadly, now-aways he doesn't really do shit with them.

"Kush & OJ" (Mixtape) was Wiz's last good project. I remember being really excited when he dropped it, thats when his buzz really started building. "Memorized" is a classic on there, along with quite a few others.

Other Wiz shit: You HAVE to get "How Fly" the mixtape. A joint (hehe 'joint') collaboration between Curren$y and Wiz. Loaded with CLASSICS. "Car Service", "Surface to Air" <-- One of my favorite songs ever.

The only new song that I've liked is "Proceed" Wiz/Curren$y/Big Sean all on one track. And it's the first time Jerm produced a track for them in ages. Lyrically, it's back on the right track.

And anyone that likes Curren$y should get "Verde Terrace" (Mixtape), him and Wayne got back together on a song (Smoke Somethin Ft. Lil Wayne) for the first time in like 6 years, ever since Curren$y left Cash Money. I haven't heard Wayne spit like that in YEARS. I truly believe Spitta brought the best out of him.

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Cabin fever, on my level (forget album name) and thoes have alot of good songs. His up and coming stuff is not the best.

But since were talking music. Wiz lost best new artist to Tyler the creater. Who the fuck is he!?!?
Sorry but Cabin Fever is shit. With the exception of "Homicide" but that song isn't era-correct in the Mixtape. There was a snippet of it that came out years ago. All the other songs are "Lex Luger" produced BULLSHIT. Lex Luger is everything wrong in hip hop. Every god damn beat sounds exactly the same..... If only H.A.M. hadn't come out, nobody would no about that kid. "On My Level" is meh, this is all "Rolling Papers" era, aka sold out mainstream bullshit.

Tyler The Creator is part of OFWGKTA (Odd Future), he did his solo shit, and it worked out pretty well (Yonkers). Funny how much beef odd futer had with 2dopeboyz (music blog).

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I do wish Jay would just come hard on some shit. I don't think BP 3 was bad, but compared to his old stuff it's not as good because he's at a different place in his life.
This. WTT was a bit of a dissapointment. But then again, so was Twisted Fantasy to some extent.

Phew.
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They would never work. Discussions of hip hop ALWAYS turn into the Hatfields and McCoys, with one side touting an “underground” that is so pure and so much better than anyone who people actually buy and pay big money to see – despite being an overall more boring product made by people who would SURELY go get that money if they could.
(See Wale on MMG for reference)
On the other side is people who are just too ignorant to see that shit like Young Jeezy and his ilk are doing NOTHING for hip hop on the whole. Same topic over and over and over… rinse, repeat, same album next year.
Then someone will come in and name drop Soulja Boi whether or not he was being discussed – which is what HE wants, seeing as how any publicity is good publicity when you have gone publicly and stated that it is not your intention to make good music but to make music that sells. Then will come the “Lil Wayne is killing hip hop” argument that we have seen in this thread.

The same old back and forth gets old eventually.
Okay but isnt that already happening on zilvia already? the four Lug rim thread, the first sticker thread, the rice thread...i think it would give REAL music lovers a chance to know about artists that they would never listen to...and by real music lover, i mean someone who listens to everything not just nod their head to a beat cuz it hits hard in their trunk

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Easy…Tupac would have been making movies and LL Cool J would not have, there is more money in movies than in rap.
Biggie would have done what in the hell ever Puff Daddy had him to do, and as he had no other options financially and was being fucked for his publishing and stuck in that contract, he would have had to do so or starve.

I agree with Pac making movies but i think he wouldve had at least a guest appearence on a couple albums...maybe the chronic 2001 wouldve been a track or two longer. Biggie i think wouldve seen the light on how Puff was fucking him over and wouldve left bad boy...now, where he would go after that i have no idea...maybe underground? I know he wouldnt go to no limit seeing as how they were starting the rise of the south but i cant imagine a biggie verse over a southern beat.
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I do not like Lil' Wayne. Sure he has plenty of hits but ultimately hes trash. This generation will glorify him as one of the best rappers to ever exist, and its sad. He says a few off the wall metaphors and everyone soaks it right up. Not me.
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my thoughts are... waynes old shit was aight, now hes just a drugged up fuck that makes his money off his beats not his skills,
wiz just fucking sucks, i support his weed smoking but thats it...


hip hop or die underground is where its at
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....metaphorically wayne couldnt hold a lighter to Fabolous.....just saying. Underground is cool but from what ive heard its all political....gimmie some artists to listen to. Im lovin brother ali...dudes talented!
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i am a big wayne fan, seen him in concert, got all his music but i think some things are a little over the top now, with that being said currently he is ONE of the best rappers out there. Jayz's old stuff is classic, his new stuff i dont like. Everything kanye puts out is hot, plus who can hate on someone who just does not give a fuck what people think.


we all know eminem is the hip hop king anyway :-)
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my thoughts are... waynes old shit was aight, now hes just a drugged up fuck that makes his money off his beats not his skills,
While I'm not disagreeing with you, Wayne isn't a "drugged up fuck"

Hell, he can't even touch alcohol due to his probation terms, + drug tests all the time.

Good underground shit: Atmosphere/Tech N9ne/CunninLynguists/Ect
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i am a big wayne fan, seen him in concert, got all his music but i think some things are a little over the top now, with that being said currently he is ONE of the best rappers out there. Jayz's old stuff is classic, his new stuff i dont like. Everything kanye puts out is hot, plus who can hate on someone who just does not give a fuck what people think.


we all know eminem is the hip hop king anyway :-)
IMO i think Slim Shady is the hip hop king...ever since Em sobered up, he lost that witty edge...but once again, if im wrong gimmie some tracks to listen to:-) i just watched some of his old freestyles on youtube. Dude says a line like, 'im demonic yea im still with it/ i dont give a fuck ill throw a baby stroller at you with the baby still in it' i had to rape the replay button a couple times.
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While I'm not disagreeing with you, Wayne isn't a "drugged up fuck"

Hell, he can't even touch alcohol due to his probation terms, + drug tests all the time.

Good underground shit: Atmosphere/Tech N9ne/CunninLynguists/Ect
oh damn! forgot about the whole jail thing!
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lil wayne didn't get to were he is because he has talent he was made

just like all these pop stars..

I am an east coaster as well anyone who has listened to some decent hiphop knows lil wayne is just a big joke that high schoolers love to listen to because they play him non stop on mtv and all the big pop radio stations.
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Good underground shit: Atmosphere/Tech N9ne/CunninLynguists/Ect

Tech and cunninlynguists are the shit



if you like cunninlyguists check out Tondeff he is part of the group and has the best flow... ever


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lil wayne is garbage now... and the carter iv proves it
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Haven't listened to it yet, but I want to fucking eviscerate him for that godforsaken How To Love song that every fucking radio station over plays.

(my DD only has a radio, no CD player or anything special)
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IMO i think Slim Shady is the hip hop king...ever since Em sobered up, he lost that witty edge...but once again, if im wrong gimmie some tracks to listen to:-) i just watched some of his old freestyles on youtube. Dude says a line like, 'im demonic yea im still with it/ i dont give a fuck ill throw a baby stroller at you with the baby still in it' i had to rape the replay button a couple times.

the old angry em was unreal. the guy is a lyrical genious.
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60. "All about my riches/ My name should be Richard" (From "Blunt Blowin")
59. "Swagger down pat/ Call my sh*t Patricia" (From "6 Foot 7 Foot")
58. "All I had to do was put two and two together/ But that just makes four, but not 'four-ever'" (From "How To Hate")
57. "Don't call me 'sir'/ Call me 'sir-vivor'" (From: "Nightmares Of The Bottom")
56. "Some people hang you out to dry/ Like a towel rack" (From "She Will")
55. "I put up a wall/ And they just wallpaper" (From "Blunt Blowin")
54. "Weezy F. Baby/ And the 'F' ain't for fear" (From: "Nightmares Of The Bottom")
53. "You don't want to start Weezy/ Cause the 'F' is for finisher" (From "6 Foot 7 Foot")
52. "Weezy F./ For 'fu*k you'" (From "How To Hate")
51. "The 'F' is for 'fu*k yourself'" (From: "Nightmares Of The Bottom")
​50."I put it down like my hand's hurtin'" (From "Blunt Blowin")
49. "The weed too loud/ Turn up the volume" (From "I Like The View)
48. "The weed loud/ Like a lion's roar" (From "Intro")
47. "You know that money talk/ I am the ventriloquist" (From "Megaman")
46. "Married to the money/ A true love story" (From: "Nightmares Of The Bottom")
45. "If time is money/ I'm an hour past paid" (From "Blunt Blowin")
44. "I get money to kill time/ Dead clocks" (From "John")
43. "I don't need a watch/The time is now or never" (From "Intro")
42. "Times have changed/ Well fu*k it get a new watch" (From "Blunt Blowin")
41. "I tried to pay attention/ But attention paid me" (From "She Will")
40."How you niggas want to have it your way/ Burger King?" (From "Megaman")
39. "I'm trying to walk a straight line/ But the line crooked" (From "Abortion")
38. "I just touched down/ Kicked a motherfu*king field goal" (From "It's Good")
37. "I'm all about 'I'/ Give the rest of the vowels back" (From "She Will")
36. "You faker than some titties/You get titty-fu*ked" (From "Intro")
35. "Eat her 'til she cry/ Call that wine and dine" (From "She Will")
34. "Just sit on my grill/ That's that tailgate for ya" (From "So Special")
33. "I make her come first/ Then I follow the leader" (From "So Special")
32. "Been fu*kin the world/ And nigga I ain't come yet" (From "John")
31. "I tried to fu*k the world/ And couldn't even get aroused" (From "President Carter")
30. "You can sit right on my middle finger for the night" (From "How To Hate")
29. "I get deep in that pus*y/ Dig her out, surgery" (From "Megaman")
28. "I already know that life is deep/ But I still dig her" (From "She Will")
27. "When the sh*t get deep/ I'm never afraid to dive" (From "President Carter")
26. "I talk sh*t, I hope it matters/ We climax, without the ladder" (From "So Special")
25. "If real sh*t is dead/ Then nigga I'm a bastard" (From "President Carter")
24. "Bullsh*t for lunch/ Brown bag nigga" (From "President Carter")
23."You don't need a bus pass/ You need to bust your ass" (From "Blunt Blowin")
22. "Tools on deck/ Home Depot nigga" (From "Megaman")
21. "Tote tools like mechanics/ Mechanisms" (From "President Carter")
20. "I'm beneficial/ I've been official" (From "President Carter")
19. "Boy I'm going in/ Like my water broke." (From "Intro")
18. "I've been at the top for a while/ And I ain't jumped yet" (From "She Will")
17. "I'm 100/ Like a fastball" (From "Megaman")
16. "I say you rappers sweet/ I pay the incidentals" (From "President Carter")
15. "I'm shooting for the stars/ Astronauts dodge bullets" (From "Abortion")
14. "Reality's a bi*ch/ And I'ma dance with her" (From "President Carter")
13. "If life is a bi*ch/ Then mine a gold digger" (From "Megaman")
12. "All my bi*ches nasty like a cold dinner" (From "Megaman")
11. "Two bi*ches at the same time/ Synchronized swimmers" (From "6 Foot 7 Foot")
10. "Nothing standing in my way/ Like nothing's my security" (From: "Nightmares Of The Bottom")
9. "Mind so sharp I fu*k around and cut my head off" (From "6 Foot 7 Foot")
8. "I got through that sentence like a subject and a predicate" (From "6 Foot 7 Foot")
7. "I keep some bud/ like Rudy Huxtable" (From "Intro")
6. "Boy I send them bloods at your ass/ Like a tampon" (From "Megaman")
5. "I woke up this morning, dick rock hard/ Ashed my blunt in my Grammy award" (From "Abortion")
4. "We jack son then light up that 'L'/ Samuel" (From "Megaman")
3. "Real G's move in silence like lasagna." (From "6 Foot 7 Foot")
2. "All hail Weezy/ Call it bad weather" (From "Blunt Blowin")
1. "Don't fu*k up with Wayne/ 'Cause when it Waynes it pours." (From "How To Hate")
and people say he's a better lyricist than jay?
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I really enjoyed. This coming from a kid who hated Wayne when he blew up, now i see him for what he is and how great of business man he became as far Hip-Hop goes. Carter 4 is defiantly a banger. Fucking Megaman hits so hard.
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aiight just dl'ed and listened to this. This shit is weaksauce! the hottest songs on here are the intro, interlude and outro lol! i think those songs would be fucking awesome if the artists were: Tech n9ne, Bun B, twista, da brat, krazy bone, busta, and Luda

IMO, this album is strictly for riding around with 2 12's thumping. Wordplay garbage, beats sound the same...*sigh* wheres outkast when you need em?
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sir, you have lost all/if any credibility. go listen to Reasonable Doubt/The Blueprint and stfu.

wiz is soft. he has some shit here and there.
That gif is exactly how I felt when I read that shit. lol
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I agree with Pac making movies but i think he wouldve had at least a guest appearence on a couple albums...maybe the chronic 2001 wouldve been a track or two longer.
Um... you DO realize that Dre left Death Row, and and Pac was pissed about that as he was the last holdout on a sinking ship, right? The things that Tupac said about Dre in the aftermath of this effectively burned that bridge.
That said, Tupac would NOT have been on Dre's album, and probably not on Death Row much longer. He would have been in movies mostly and rap on the side, if at all.
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Biggie i think wouldve seen the light on how Puff was fucking him over and wouldve left bad boy...now, where he would go after that i have no idea...maybe underground? I know he wouldnt go to no limit seeing as how they were starting the rise of the south but i cant imagine a biggie verse over a southern beat.
I nearly literally fall in the floor laughing every time someone says “go underground” when speaking of rap artists. The divide between this “mainstream” and “underground” that people have constructed to feed into their hipster-like fallback of “man, I was into [name] before everyone else had even heard of him, but now he is all mainstream and shit, I don’t like him anymore.”
It has been old for 15 years or more to me.
Sure, there may be a preference to someone’s older work, but the fact of the matter is that success makes EVERY musical artist EVER lazy as fuck.
That said, no way in hell an artist who scanned 400k in his first week will leave behind the apparent money (“apparent” because Puff is good for making his artists think they have it, then nickel and diming them to the poorhouse) that comes with a major deal on a successful label and “go underground,” to perform in shitty little bars for sweaty self-righteous college students.
It was about the money with him and always was about the money. Anyone who could make up stories about “driving state to state” in the drug trade – despite never EVER driving or having a license in real life – should have everything they say examined for truth.
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Billboard is saying that weezy should sell about 750K+ in sales

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I nearly literally fall in the floor laughing every time someone says “go underground” when speaking of rap artists. The divide between this “mainstream” and “underground” that people have constructed to feed into their hipster-like fallback of “man, I was into [name] before everyone else had even heard of him, but now he is all mainstream and shit, I don’t like him anymore.”
It has been old for 15 years or more to me.
Sure, there may be a preference to someone’s older work, but the fact of the matter is that success makes EVERY musical artist EVER lazy as fuck.
That said, no way in hell an artist who scanned 400k in his first week will leave behind the apparent money (“apparent” because Puff is good for making his artists think they have it, then nickel and diming them to the poorhouse) that comes with a major deal on a successful label and “go underground,” to perform in shitty little bars for sweaty self-righteous college students.
It was about the money with him and always was about the money
Fuckin A.
Personally, I loved Wayne back in the Cash $ days and thought they were on top of the game. Slowly I saw him just getting weaker and becoming a fad like Lil John by over exposing himself in every music video and music track out there.

Hip hop though has become so watered down and stale. And with this new generation's style and particularly making dopey comments about Jay-Z sucking.....I just wanna punch babies. Im 26 and officially out of touch with current music.
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After reading that they all did sound stupid, now dont forget the whole thing with jay z stealing biggie lyrics.
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After reading that they all did sound stupid, now dont forget the whole thing with jay z stealing biggie lyrics.
He didn't "steal" the lyrics, he re-used them. And every single rapper ever has done the same thing. Period.
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and people say he's a better lyricist than jay?
Twitter/Hash tag flows They're good used at a setup or punchline...Not line after line...

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He didn't "steal" the lyrics, he re-used them. And every single rapper ever has done the same thing. Period.
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