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turns101 · 05-27-2010, 02:36 PM

Get rid of that s13 and get a Miata...

Perfect Balance · 05-27-2010, 05:32 PM

Yeah that will teach him to drift!

Since we're heading in that directions, I say better yet, get a shifter kart and learn to drift in that....

fckillerbee · 05-27-2010, 05:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by turns101

Get rid of that s13 and get a Miata...

that's because no one is more boss than jeff abbott!!!

chiboy002 · 05-27-2010, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by slider2828

The drift bible has practicing techniques for beginners....

yeah all the way at the end when hes in the trueno but those are very short. he explains them for roughly 5 minutes and the rest is footage of him doing it. the video i just watched, the 1.58min video was great. told me how to do it, and he explains WHILE driving while doing it. idk, drift bible didnt really give me guidance of any sort

chiboy002 · 05-27-2010, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by turns101

Get rid of that s13 and get a Miata...

i saw your miata, threw up and took a cold shower... LOL jk, its nice but miatas arent for me. i dont like them, too small. same reason i dislike s2000s or bmw z3. they do have a tendency to slide quite easily though. but i like my 240sx. it has no rust, thats a gem

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Originally Posted by Perfect Balance

Yeah that will teach him to drift!

Since we're heading in that directions, I say better yet, get a shifter kart and learn to drift in that....

lol, actually... i do practice counter steer at my local gokart track. but that shit isnt the same, full lock is nothing. you turn the wheel 60* and its full lock.

turns101 · 05-28-2010, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by chiboy002

i saw your miata, threw up and took a cold shower... LOL jk, its nice but miatas arent for me. i dont like them, too small. same reason i dislike s2000s or bmw z3. they do have a tendency to slide quite easily though. but i like my 240sx. it has no rust, thats a gem

lol, actually... i do practice counter steer at my local gokart track. but that shit isnt the same, full lock is nothing. you turn the wheel 60* and its full lock.

Wow, I am sorry you hate it so much LOL
As for sliding easily, someone lied to you

Go to some drift days you have around there. have someone jump in and learn.

As for rust, my car loves rust..

truebluegallo · 05-28-2010, 05:38 PM

practice douche theres kids out there with welded difs an hacked springs with no real alignment killing it get off an go drive

fckillerbee · 05-28-2010, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by truebluegallo

practice douche theres kids out there with welded difs an hacked springs with no real alignment killing it get off an go drive

eric castro now has full suspension for the record....lol

and i'll rock welded all day er day. and yes, my track slut is my daily slut. Pulled over twice this week...still no tickets...ahh...white.

and...miatas aren't easy to drive...especially a turbo one like jeff's. I'm sure I couldn't drive it as well as he does!

completely stock miata...took 3 laps to drift it...and for me..that's a lot longer than normal. btw..car was dead at the end of the day. lol..

shit felt like it was going to roll over at transition.

renegade_ewok · 05-28-2010, 05:59 PM

You know what it sounds like to me?

It sounds like you just need some tracktime...

fckillerbee · 05-28-2010, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by renegade_ewok

You know what it sounds like to me?

It sounds like you just need some tracktime...

AND WE HAVE A WINNER!!!.....BOB...TELL HIM WHAT HE'S WON..... lol

he needs seat time with a instructor. Fixes everything.

renegade_ewok · 05-28-2010, 06:02 PM

Even without an instructor I was able to figure out a really good basis for how drifting works. The shit makes sense to me in a physics sense.

Once you understand that, you just have to figure out what to do for that to happen and its a feel thing.

That being said, I am still gonna take drift instruction this year. That takes your shit to another level.

fckillerbee · 05-28-2010, 06:07 PM

yes, advanced lessons are sweet...manipulating your own line mid drift...ahh..so fun. little left foot braking...haha.

yes..simple physics....but, some people just don't get it. I have had a few that were just really hard learners. (getting over habits)

jbballa9876 · 05-28-2010, 06:07 PM

Damn man have you even tried to really get out and drive or do you just expect to keep watching videos and ask these guys...?! If the drift bible hasnt helped you nothing will. I think fwd is your best bet, just get yourself a civic hatch with an h22 and youll be a much happier person. Drifting is a passion for true drivers.

240XTC · 05-28-2010, 07:55 PM

Your title: how to combat oversteer (spinning out) help? = Teach me how to drift.

Can you specify exactly what it is your having trouble with? For example, the course you set out for yourself, if any?

fckillerbee · 05-28-2010, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by 240XTC

Your title: how to combat oversteer (spinning out) help? = Teach me how to drift.

Can you specify exactly what it is your having trouble with? For example, the course you set out for yourself, if any?

did you even read anything....get back on youdrift before you infect someone on here.

240XTC · 05-29-2010, 12:58 PM

^^^^ Anyways. Back to OP, may you clarify the certain obstacle/ course you set out for your self? It would be easier to diagnose and treat.

Saying "spinning out" is a bit too broad of a genre to cover.

*hOngsterr* · 05-29-2010, 01:44 PM

when he turns her over steers hence spinning out, which he does not want lol.

chiboy002 · 05-29-2010, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by turns101

Wow, I am sorry you hate it so much LOL
As for sliding easily, someone lied to you

Go to some drift days you have around there. have someone jump in and learn.

As for rust, my car loves rust..

yeah i bought a helmet now, so drift days are a possibility now! woot!! but still help would be good. i just get the whole donuts shit going. i need something like throttle control? too much gas and you spin out right?

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Originally Posted by fckillerbee

AND WE HAVE A WINNER!!!.....BOB...TELL HIM WHAT HE'S WON..... lol

he needs seat time with a instructor. Fixes everything.

what would the best substitue for an instructor be? i dont have any instructors at our events since it isnt legit courses, usually the events are held at air bases or small time tracks. one is held at USA International Raceway, but no instructors either.

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Originally Posted by renegade_ewok

Even without an instructor I was able to figure out a really good basis for how drifting works. The shit makes sense to me in a physics sense.

Once you understand that, you just have to figure out what to do for that to happen and its a feel thing.

That being said, I am still gonna take drift instruction this year. That takes your shit to another level.

Quote:

Originally Posted by fckillerbee

yes, advanced lessons are sweet...manipulating your own line mid drift...ahh..so fun. little left foot braking...haha.

yes..simple physics....but, some people just don't get it. I have had a few that were just really hard learners. (getting over habits)

taking physics next year!! that shit will help alot i presume

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Originally Posted by hOngsterr

when he turns her over steers hence spinning out, which he does not want lol.

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Originally Posted by 240XTC

^^^^ Anyways. Back to OP, may you clarify the certain obstacle/ course you set out for your self? It would be easier to diagnose and treat.

Saying "spinning out" is a bit too broad of a genre to cover.

pretty much hongster got it, no course just turns here and there - no designated line to follow, but pretty much id hit a turn then i would spin out into a 180. dont want that

as for the rest of you guys who say go to the track and get seat time, get off the computer, and all that shit. gtfo since you havent read the 1st page. i clearly specified that my situation doesnt provide me as many track days as you california kids. my next track day is june 22nd. that is a long ways away so until then i need someting to work with - advice not some bullshit like get off ur ass and go drive. going and driving is pointless if im going to repeat what i do. so please, gtfo and stop cluttering my thread. as for the rest of you guys, thanks alot!!

240sxChillen · 05-29-2010, 09:36 PM

Crash and learn

chiboy002 · 05-29-2010, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by 240sxChillen

Crash and learn

LOL lemme crash, post a vid on youtube, and then learn to crash less?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igKP0Y3Mswo

240XTC · 05-30-2010, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by chiboy002

pretty much hongster got it, no course just turns here and there - no designated line to follow, but pretty much id hit a turn then i would spin out into a 180. dont want that

What's your choice of initiation, speed and gear coming in when you do this?

turns101 · 05-30-2010, 02:49 PM

You have alot of good drivers out there.
Get one in your car to help you.

That, or you will just keep heading out late night and learning. It will just take longer. You will also likely crash and break shit. Hopefully at that point you dont hurt yourself or someone else.

Thats why people say to keep it off the streets. Its not personal..

fcdrifter20 · 05-30-2010, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by chiboy002

LOL lemme crash, post a vid on youtube, and then learn to crash less?
YouTube - Lake Shore Drift

is this you driving in the video?

chiboy002 · 06-01-2010, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by fcdrifter20

is this you driving in the video?

HELL NAW thats some drifting-ricer in chicago doing it on a heavily cop patrolled area...

Quote:

Originally Posted by turns101

You have alot of good drivers out there.
Get one in your car to help you.

That, or you will just keep heading out late night and learning. It will just take longer. You will also likely crash and break shit. Hopefully at that point you dont hurt yourself or someone else.

Thats why people say to keep it off the streets. Its not personal..

yeah dude, i honestly don't do it much on the street. i did it a total of 3 times at the school parking lot and havent gone since. I know seat time is what will get me the practice needed, but i am in no way trying to put myself or others in harms way. I don't want to be giving a community in which i enjoy their practices a bad name. That's not what i'm here for. As far as the drivers, ill ask one of the nicer drift guys to help me - a good amount of the local drifters can be ass holes to us newbs.

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Originally Posted by 240XTC

What's your choice of initiation, speed and gear coming in when you do this?

clutch kick, i go in hot from 2-3 then either double-clutch down or just clutch kick like a mofo.

fckillerbee · 06-02-2010, 10:58 AM

for the most part, sounds like you are reacting too slow. Have someone film you driving, to show how late you are contersteering. That was my problem as a noob. Watched a video of me driving, saw the problem, started contersteering a lot faster.

240xtc....he is spinning out... you don't spin out from holding the e-brake, or lifting, you spin by powering over cause you can't hold the drift, or initiating too hard, but that is not his case, he just can't hold line.....fuck get out of here already.....

and stay in one gear, don't get your self confused, stay in second, power over, start simple.

fcdrifter20 · 06-02-2010, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by chiboy002

clutch kick, i go in hot from 2-3 then either double-clutch down or just clutch kick like a mofo.

so your going in 2nd and shifting up to 3rd while in the turn??

Quote:

Originally Posted by fckillerbee

for the most part, sounds like you are reacting too slow. Have someone film you driving, to show how late you are contersteering. That was my problem as a noob. Watched a video of me driving, saw the problem, started contersteering a lot faster.

240xtc....he is spinning out... you don't spin out from holding the e-brake, or lifting, you spin by powering over cause you can't hold the drift, or initiating too hard, but that is not his case, he just can't hold line.....fuck get out of here already.....

and stay in one gear, don't get your self confused, stay in second, power over, start simple.

sound like this mite be your problem...how is your hand placement while your driving. This mite sound a little weird but i have ridden along with a couple of ppl who had the problem of counter steering to late. I began to notice that when they went to counter they would fumble all over there own hands, causing them to be to slow when it came time to counter....this mite be your problem, but its just a thot

240XTC · 06-02-2010, 06:02 PM

So staying on subject...............

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Originally Posted by chiboy002

clutch kick, i go in hot from 2-3 then either double-clutch down or just clutch kick like a mofo.

Try this: Clutch kick. Turn in. Counter steer quickly to catch that weight. Then balance your wheel left to right according to your acceleration to deceleration.

Check out lesson 3 to get a visual from Monkey man Nomuken since your using clutch kick

Take all the other advice into consideration as well and develop your own driving style. This will differentiate you from others.

fckillerbee · 06-02-2010, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by azndoc

I don't understand why you wouldn't want to use your e-brake. What's the deal with people thinking the e-brake is the most evil thing.

E-brake drifting is the easiest shit in the world. Especially if your doing it in the rain. I'm actually going to take time out and write this shit out for you now.

For beginners the most important thing you need to learn is being comfortable in the car while your driving. Staying calm and analyzing your surroundings and situation is the key.

Not saying you should street drift, but if you find yourself in an open parking lot grab a cone or something that you can use as a reference point.

Place the cone in the middle and that is what you will be doing the most important thing as a beginner. Donuts, fucking do donuts all fucking day if you have to. It's the most basic foundation for you. You will learn the following.
1.) Steering control, you don't need a lot of steering wheel movement when you are doing donuts. Just small movements is fine.
2.) Throttle control- Finding the match between the throttle control and steering control is the key and really hard, but it all takes practice.
3.) Learning to be comfortable sideways. This is also important because if you can't even stay calm doing donuts then you will have a hard time connecting a corner with a clipping point.

Doing donuts will help you out so much. And after you have mastered doing donuts move onto figure eights to help you learn how to transition.

A lot of times people initiate into a corner, but they don't let the steering wheel counter and just give too much gas at the same time which will cause you to spin. Its all about learning the basics and moving from there.

Good luck.

this is what I mean....did you even read the thread.

I am not an asshole just to be one....you are not reading what is already posted, instead, we are re-reading something that has already been talked about. Wasting everyone's time, especially the OP....since he is trying to learn from real drivers.

fckillerbee · 06-02-2010, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by GSXRJJordan

Correct (countersteer) faster. As long as there's nothing hugely wrong with your alignment (like major toe out in the back), just initiate harder, countersteer sooner, drift. Practice practice practice.

your answer sounded like this one...worded different.

chiboy002 · 06-02-2010, 11:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 240XTC

So staying on subject...............

Try this: Clutch kick. Turn in. Counter steer quickly to catch that weight. Then balance your wheel left to right according to your acceleration to deceleration.

Check out lesson 3 to get a visual from Monkey man Nomuken since your using clutch kick

Take all the other advice into consideration as well and develop your own driving style. This will differentiate you from others.

fuck making my own style lol, for now i justw ant something that works and i can work with! thanks for the video though and yeah ill try countering faster as fckiller hinted at it as well

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Originally Posted by fcdrifter20

so your going in 2nd and shifting up to 3rd while in the turn??

sound like this mite be your problem...how is your hand placement while your driving. This mite sound a little weird but i have ridden along with a couple of ppl who had the problem of counter steering to late. I began to notice that when they went to counter they would fumble all over there own hands, causing them to be to slow when it came time to counter....this mite be your problem, but its just a thot

Naw dude, i mean like when i go into the turn ill be either in 2nd or 3rd- i come in hot as in fast but i dont shift during the whole duration of the drift since that takes much more skill. I mean if im in 3rd then ill go down to 2nd BEFORE the turn. I don't shift lock thats just so i can have the right torque and cause i hear u should start in low gears when you learn. But i only said that because i've tried, it is rare for me to go in fast enough to be in 3rd since i get a little scared..

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Originally Posted by fckillerbee

for the most part, sounds like you are reacting too slow. Have someone film you driving, to show how late you are contersteering. That was my problem as a noob. Watched a video of me driving, saw the problem, started contersteering a lot faster.

240xtc....he is spinning out... you don't spin out from holding the e-brake, or lifting, you spin by powering over cause you can't hold the drift, or initiating too hard, but that is not his case, he just can't hold line.....fuck get out of here already.....

and stay in one gear, don't get your self confused, stay in second, power over, start simple.

Good idea!! i forgot about how boxers always video themselves and watch it afterwards. Thanks man, ill do that asap. I think i initiate too hard though cause i just kick and stomp on the gas cause i get a little to gas-happy lol. I need to control it more but i also think it may be counter steer too late. ill post a video asap and see what you guys say. None of my friends drift and next time i go to a track it will be hard to get a video of me since it'll be at USAIR, and the track is kinda far plus ill probably end up gripping the whole time lol... fail

05-27-2010, 02:36 PM	#31
turns101 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: SoCal Posts: 423 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Get rid of that s13 and get a Miata... __________________ -Jeff Abbott. Big white guy, little green car. late spooler

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turns101 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: SoCal Posts: 423 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	You have alot of good drivers out there. Get one in your car to help you. That, or you will just keep heading out late night and learning. It will just take longer. You will also likely crash and break shit. Hopefully at that point you dont hurt yourself or someone else. Thats why people say to keep it off the streets. Its not personal.. __________________ -Jeff Abbott. Big white guy, little green car. late spooler

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05-27-2010, 05:32 PM	#32
Perfect Balance Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Virginia Age: 30 Posts: 397 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Yeah that will teach him to drift! Since we're heading in that directions, I say better yet, get a shifter kart and learn to drift in that....

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truebluegallo Leaky Injector Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: las vegas Age: 29 Posts: 101 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	practice douche theres kids out there with welded difs an hacked springs with no real alignment killing it get off an go drive

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renegade_ewok Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: NYC Age: 33 Posts: 450 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	You know what it sounds like to me? It sounds like you just need some tracktime...

05-28-2010, 06:02 PM	#41
renegade_ewok Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: NYC Age: 33 Posts: 450 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Even without an instructor I was able to figure out a really good basis for how drifting works. The shit makes sense to me in a physics sense. Once you understand that, you just have to figure out what to do for that to happen and its a feel thing. That being said, I am still gonna take drift instruction this year. That takes your shit to another level.

05-28-2010, 06:07 PM	#42
fckillerbee Post Whore! Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Southern California Age: 36 Posts: 4,266 Trader Rating: (5) Feedback Score: 5 reviews	yes, advanced lessons are sweet...manipulating your own line mid drift...ahh..so fun. little left foot braking...haha. yes..simple physics....but, some people just don't get it. I have had a few that were just really hard learners. (getting over habits)

05-28-2010, 06:07 PM	#43
jbballa9876 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Baltimore Posts: 359 Trader Rating: (8) Feedback Score: 8 reviews	Damn man have you even tried to really get out and drive or do you just expect to keep watching videos and ask these guys...?! If the drift bible hasnt helped you nothing will. I think fwd is your best bet, just get yourself a civic hatch with an h22 and youll be a much happier person. Drifting is a passion for true drivers.

05-28-2010, 07:55 PM	#44
240XTC BANNED Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: 1st amendment. Not my fault you dont like me. Does not give you the right to abuse your mod and continue your harassment in slander towards my profiles. Cowards. Posts: 1,060 Trader Rating: (16) Feedback Score: 16 reviews	Your title: how to combat oversteer (spinning out) help? = Teach me how to drift. Can you specify exactly what it is your having trouble with? For example, the course you set out for yourself, if any?

05-29-2010, 12:58 PM	#46
240XTC BANNED Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: 1st amendment. Not my fault you dont like me. Does not give you the right to abuse your mod and continue your harassment in slander towards my profiles. Cowards. Posts: 1,060 Trader Rating: (16) Feedback Score: 16 reviews	^^^^ Anyways. Back to OP, may you clarify the certain obstacle/ course you set out for your self? It would be easier to diagnose and treat. Saying "spinning out" is a bit too broad of a genre to cover.

06-02-2010, 10:58 AM	#55
fckillerbee Post Whore! Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Southern California Age: 36 Posts: 4,266 Trader Rating: (5) Feedback Score: 5 reviews	for the most part, sounds like you are reacting too slow. Have someone film you driving, to show how late you are contersteering. That was my problem as a noob. Watched a video of me driving, saw the problem, started contersteering a lot faster. 240xtc....he is spinning out... you don't spin out from holding the e-brake, or lifting, you spin by powering over cause you can't hold the drift, or initiating too hard, but that is not his case, he just can't hold line.....fuck get out of here already..... and stay in one gear, don't get your self confused, stay in second, power over, start simple.