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cc4usmc · 12-29-2009, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by BustedS13

it's just the name

That's just it! It's just a name. No matter what nomenclature you use, colored people or black, it's just a name. The double standard comes into play when white people would be condemned for creating a NAAWP.

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Originally Posted by BustedS13

i really don't see the problem.

I think it is a problem. These days, we're all about being politically correct. If I was a black guy, I think I would rather have a name that recognizes the advances made by changing to a more appropriate name. Honestly, I think they should change the name to National Association for the Equality of Black People because that's all I see it as. How can you say National Association for the Advancement of Colored People when you don't even recognize the advancement in the name?

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Originally Posted by BustedS13

i don't think that there being a "black" channel is an issue.

I don't know how else to explain it to you. I'm not really good and taking my thoughts and turning them into typed sentences, so I apologize for that lol.

Let me ask you a question. Why do you think there is racial hatred and racial discrimination towards black people today?

Ghost240 · 12-29-2009, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by BustedS13

a better question: why does BET bother you? why does the NAACP's name bother you?

Alright. What's wrong with BET?

First of all it is absolute garbage and trash. Mindless uneducated stereotypical black people furthering the denegration of the hard work that countless of other african americans struggled for. Ever watch the Boondocks episode where MLK comes back? Yeah well that episode is truth. If he was alive he would shake his head all the stupid retarded shit that black people do. There's no arguing about that.

Chains?? Willing wearing chains and bracelets as a sign of opulence? Quite the contrary to what they were originally intended for. Early hip hop/rap artists used chains (i.e bike chains think chuck D Public enemy) wore them to remind them of their roots (no pun intended).

CMT is a freaking COUNTRY MUSIC CHANNEL no COMPARISON. BET's mission statement was to be the voice of black America and educate it's "people" CMT, spike nor any other channel made such a mission statement. So your point is moot. Furthermore...creating a race based television channel creates a double standard. If one should be able to have their own channel why not others? Didn't african american leaders struggle for equality?

And

P.S- I am black. More specifically nigerian. And if you wanna talk about racism, talk about Blacks vs. Africans.

cc4usmc · 12-29-2009, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Ghost240

Mindless uneducated stereotypical black people furthering the denegration of the hard work that countless of other african americans struggled for. Ever watch the Boondocks episode where MLK comes back? Yeah well that episode is truth. If he was alive he would shake his head all the stupid retarded shit that black people do. There's no arguing about that. And CMT is a freaking COUNTRY MUSIC CHANNEL no COMPARISON. BET's mission statement was to be the voice of black America and educate it's "people" CMT, spike nor any other channel made such a mission statement. So your point is moot. Furthermore...creating a race based television channel creates a double standard. If one should be able to have their own channel why not others? Didn't african american leaders struggle for equality?

I fucking love you lol.

Want crime to go down? Ban rap lol. After all, it promotes drug dealing, cop killing, bustin caps in your enemies,racism, slappin girls etc etc.

LimeLite Racing · 12-29-2009, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Ghost240

Alright. What's wrong with BET?

First of all it is absolute garbage and trash. Mindless uneducated stereotypical black people furthering the denegration of the hard work that countless of other african americans struggled for. Ever watch the Boondocks episode where MLK comes back? Yeah well that episode is truth. If he was alive he would shake his head all the stupid retarded shit that black people do. There's no arguing about that.

Chains?? Willing wearing chains and bracelets as a sign of opulence? Quite the contrary to what they were originally intended for. Early hip hop/rap artists used chains (i.e bike chains think chuck D Public enemy) wore them to remind them of their roots (no pun intended).

CMT is a freaking COUNTRY MUSIC CHANNEL no COMPARISON. BET's mission statement was to be the voice of black America and educate it's "people" CMT, spike nor any other channel made such a mission statement. So your point is moot. Furthermore...creating a race based television channel creates a double standard. If one should be able to have their own channel why not others? Didn't african american leaders struggle for equality?

And

P.S- I am black. More specifically nigerian. And if you wanna talk about racism, talk about Blacks vs. Africans.

You make a great point. Intelligently said.

Ghost240 · 12-29-2009, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by cc4usmc

That's just it! It's just a name. No matter what nomenclature you use, colored people or black, it's just a name. The double standard comes into play when white people would be condemned for creating a NAAWP.

I think it is a problem. These days, we're all about being politically correct. If I was a black guy, I think I would rather have a name that recognizes the advances made by changing to a more appropriate name. Honestly, I think they should change the name to National Association for the Equality of Black People because that's all I see it as. How can you say National Association for the Advancement of Colored People when you don't even recognize the advancement in the name?

I don't know how else to explain it to you. I'm not really good and taking my thoughts and turning them into typed sentences, so I apologize for that lol.

Let me ask you a question. Why do you think there is racial hatred and racial discrimination towards black people today?

The reason there is resentment is because no matter how you much you give "them" something they want more they are felt they are "owed" it. And I'm not trying to make "them" out to be bad or anything, but I grew up in the suburbs my whole life EXCEPT for my early years when I lived in Baltimore, MD around John Hopkins (ever heard of the show the wire? that's damn near how my neighborhood was). I've watched my parents come from another country, and used their minds to make it. You wanna talk about rags to riches, try a village in Nigeria to a $800k home off of the Mainline in Pa. And you want to tell me the system is working against you?

Maybe if you valued a book more than a rap cd. Maybe if you valued your history more than your music, maybe if you saw yourself as a human being and not "black" you would understand. So pull your damn pants up, shut the fuck up and ask more of yourself instead of the man!

Sorry for the rant, but this shit gets on my nerves. BET is the worst channel ever.

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Originally Posted by cc4usmc

I fucking love you lol.

Want crime to go down? Ban rap lol. After all, it promotes drug dealing, cop killing, bustin caps in your enemies,racism, slappin girls etc etc.

The problem is if you ban it more people will listen and what fuels the rap industry isn't even urban consumerism, it's SUBURBAN consumerism. Music is a reflection of societal ideologies. If society believes it, it will support it therefore media will take it and make money with it.

You want crime to go down put more money into education. Stop paying entertainers millions. They don't do that much for society. I don't see why the guy in the lab who is working on a cure for cancer should be less celebrated than Lady Gaga or 50 cent for putting out the best album of the year. So what? You had your voice digitized and created a hypnotic tune....congrat u fucking lations you made another Karaoke track.

Rap is trash i will admit. I say support hip hop, it's educated and has a message. The more you support it the more rap will lose steam. Hell a war has been raised against rap by hip hop artist.

cc4usmc · 12-29-2009, 07:58 PM

The ban the rap thing was kinda of a joke, I mean, I wouldn't mind, but I know that it wouldn't solve anything. But I agree, all the entertainers out there make a lot more then they should. Even athletes.

But then, you don't think rap makes young kids believe that's what they've got to do to make something of themselves? Like you said "Maybe if you valued a book more than a rap cd. Maybe if you valued your history more than your music".

LimeLite Racing · 12-29-2009, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Ghost240

The reason there is resentment is because no matter how you much you give "them" something they want more they are felt they are "owed" it. And I'm not trying to make "them" out to be bad or anything, but I grew up in the suburbs my whole life EXCEPT for my early years when I lived in Baltimore, MD around John Hopkins. I've watched my parents come from another country, and used their minds to make it. You wanna talk about rags to riches, try a village in Nigeria to a $800k home off of the Mainline in Pa. And you want to tell me the system is working against you?

Maybe if you valued a book more than a rap cd. Maybe if you valued your history more than your music, maybe if you saw yourself as a human being and not "black" you would understand. So pull your damn pants up, shut the fuck up and ask more of yourself instead of the man!

Sorry for the rant, but this shit gets on my nerves. BET is the worst channel ever.

I agree to the fullest.

What bothers me is my black friend(s) getting harassed by other blacks for hanging out with SHARP skins. A majority of the racism just comes from straight ignorance.

I have to start a new thread about SHARPs, punks, and getting harassed by new skins and ignorance next. I think that will draw as much attention as this thread, unfortunately it won't have any impact on the world as much as I try.

If we all take a stand towards not stereotyping every white man calling a black man "black" as racist or having our own television show, or a month devoted to our heritage and the great things white people have done, we could make a difference, but there's always going to be upset that I just said "black" so many times in this post by SOMEONE.

The world needs to take the first step.... We need WHITE ENTERTAINMENT TELEVISION.

Ghost240 · 12-29-2009, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by cc4usmc

The ban the rap thing was kinda of a joke, I mean, I wouldn't mind, but I know that it wouldn't solve anything. But I agree, all the entertainers out there make a lot more then they should. Even athletes.

Oh i know, but still. I think people just need to go back to beating their kids. lol as bad as that sounds. Some kids just need to be brought within an inch of their life to see the light.

Don't get me started on sports.....School yard games taken to an extreme.

LimeLite Racing · 12-29-2009, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by cc4usmc

The ban the rap thing was kinda of a joke, I mean, I wouldn't mind, but I know that it wouldn't solve anything. But I agree, all the entertainers out there make a lot more then they should. Even athletes.

But then, you don't think rap makes young kids believe that's what they've got to do to make something of themselves? Like you said "Maybe if you valued a book more than a rap cd. Maybe if you valued your history more than your music".

Rap is shit these days. It's all platinum plated on the outside, but hollow on the inside. The only message it's spreading is typical escalade on 24's, or like you said, beatin' ho's. I think that they should ban rap that spreads the wrong message to kids.

Ghost240 · 12-29-2009, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by LimeLite Racing

I agree to the fullest.

What bothers me is my black friend(s) getting harassed by other blacks for hanging out with SHARP skins. A majority of the racism just comes from straight ignorance.

I have to start a new thread about SHARPs, punks, and getting harassed by new skins and ignorance next. I think that will draw as much attention as this thread, unfortunately it won't have any impact on the world as much as I try.

If we all take a stand towards not stereotyping every white man calling a black man "black" as racist or having our own television show, or a month devoted to our heritage and the great things white people have done, we could make a difference, but there's always going to be upset that I just said "black" so many times in this post by SOMEONE.

The world needs to take the first step.... We need WHITE ENTERTAINMENT TELEVISION.

haha Dude....i'm black...like dark lol....I listen to megadeth, slayer, slipknot, korn, pantera, chevelle, 311, nightwish, angra, evanescence, metallica, Iron maiden, judas priest, and etc......I also listen to motown, eric clapton, MJ and etc.

I'm well spoken, articulate and educated.....and all my life I've been called white. And ya know what.....fuck em lol I get into situations they could only dream of. I've had doors open that never would have if i decided to be "black". I've been told "you don't know your roots" and I ask em if that's so what part of africa are you from? Oh that's right you came on a boat by force and you don't know. Or I ask em If I'm white how come when I go to Africa they don't look at me funny?

Dude fuck em, those type of people are miserable and don't understand what the human experience is about til their ignorance comes crashing down on them in a drug overdose or a hail of bullets. Funny enough these are the same people who will hail you as a king if you do something great because "YOURE A BLACK MAN" yeah.....

Perfect example......people said Barack Obama wasn't black enough (not talking politics just the situation). He doesn't know the struggles of a black man and etc....now what is the black community shouting??

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Originally Posted by LimeLite Racing

Rap is shit these days. It's all platinum plated on the outside, but hollow on the inside. The only message it's spreading is typical escalade on 24's, or like you said, beatin' ho's. I think that they should ban rap that spreads the wrong message to kids.

Rap and hip hop are two different entities. Rap is the make believe world where every one is Noreaga and has a cartel.

Hip hop is the voice of the disenchanted people who want to be heard.

I'm probably gonna get called an uncle "you know what" for my posts.

LimeLite Racing · 12-29-2009, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Ghost240

haha Dude....i'm black...like dark lol....I listen to megadeth, slayer, slipknot, korn, pantera, chevelle, 311, nightwish, angra, evanescence, metallica, Iron maiden, judas priest, and etc......I also listen to motown, eric clapton, MJ and etc.

I'm well spoken, articulate and educated.....and all my life I've been called white. And ya know what.....fuck em lol I get into situations they could only dream of. I've had doors open that never would have if i decided to be "black". I've been told "you don't know your roots" and I ask em if that's so what part of africa are you from? Oh that's right you came on a boat by force and you don't know. Or I ask em If I'm white how come when I go to Africa they don't look at me funny?

Dude fuck em, those type of people are miserable and don't understand what the human experience is about til their ignorance comes crashing down on them in a drug overdose or a hail of bullets. Funny enough these are the same people who will hail you as a king if you do something great because "YOURE A BLACK MAN" yeah.....

Perfect example......people said Barack Obama wasn't black enough (not talking politics just the situation). He doesn't know the struggles of a black man and etc....now what is the black community shouting??

Haha that is so fucking true!

I read your post about "they should just beat their kids", and as much as I agree, the stereotypical "g" black's kids are motivated by their parents. So they mere beat them, but inspire them to act as they do, further increasing our criminal rates, school drop outs, and gang related activity. That doesn't just go for blacks though, that's for any race. And any non-white race can complain about a white entertainment television? This has me thinking about what the education system in America is turning into... Everyone wants you to wipe their ass for them.

LimeLite Racing · 12-29-2009, 08:14 PM

I take that back, not America's education system, but the amount of Americans that want to be educated.

HyperTek · 12-29-2009, 08:15 PM

nah dont ban rap.. Educate the kids better to not try to live by what they see in the media.. If your easily influenced by what you see on tv, than your just retarded. Not directed toward anyone here, but you know what I mean. However, todays young generation already idolizes material things over education. Dont point fingers at ethnicity, its happening everywhere.

But yeah, whenever theres a movie on BET, its always involving some sort of hustle. =(
Tune in during after-school time, 106 and Park is a positive show for kids to watch.

Anyways, gotta love how this topic goes off to talk about BET.. stay on topic guys!!

If anything, TV should be more wholesome and censored more. that might actually help our society.
I think media influences alot of people.. esp. relationships, people judge their relationships by what htey see on tv.. dude on so and so show got multiple chicks, i need a chick like that so imma cheat on what i have. yadda yadda.

Ghost240 · 12-29-2009, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by LimeLite Racing

Haha that is so fucking true!

I read your post about "they should just beat their kids", and as much as I agree, the stereotypical "g" black's kids are motivated by their parents. So they mere beat them, but inspire them to act as they do, further increasing our criminal rates, school drop outs, and gang related activity. That doesn't just go for blacks though, that's for any race. And any non-white race can complain about a white entertainment television? This has me thinking about what the education system in America is turning into... Everyone wants you to wipe their ass for them.

Education in America is a joke from elementary school to a college. It isn't about teaching but "socialization" and "taming" the individual. They do it by claiming everyone is "equal" when they are clearly not. They kill natural curiosity and take all the fun out of learning. Then college is more of a business than a school. You want me to take 120K loan to make 30K a yr? only to become a gear in the machine? HUH? WHO DOES THAT?

Ghost240 · 12-29-2009, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by HyperTek

nah dont ban rap.. Educate the kids better to not try to live by what they see in the media.. If your easily influenced by what you see on tv, than your just retarded. Not directed toward anyone here, but you know what I mean. However, todays young generation already idolizes material things over education. Dont point fingers at ethnicity, its happening everywhere.

But yeah, whenever theres a movie on BET, its always involving some sort of hustle. =(
Tune in during after-school time, 106 and Park is a positive show for kids to watch.

Anyways, gotta love how this topic goes off to talk about BET.. stay on topic guys!!

yes cause between music videos talkin about drugs, sex, and etc...lets pack some education in there....

YouTube - BET (black evil television)
YouTube - Boondocks - Nothin' Wrong With BET

Feel me?

HyperTek · 12-29-2009, 08:34 PM

yeah seen that episode, my fav is the uncle rawkus reality show episode where hes like i gotta wear extra long shirts and shoes named after people, or something like that lol

Matej · 12-29-2009, 08:35 PM

A lot of black people don't even care for BET. Or for Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson.

It's so dumb how there has to be a black guy in every movie nowadays. It's completely silly when it's historically or geographically inaccurate/very improbable. It's funny to always see a random black guy in a movie set in the Middle Ages, or operating a movie theatre in Nazi-occupied France, haha.
I can't wait until there's a WWII movie in which half of the Nazi soldiers are played by non-white actors.

LimeLite Racing · 12-29-2009, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Matej

A lot of black people don't even care for BET. Or for Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson.

It's so dumb how thanks to 'civil rights' groups there has to be a black guy in every movie nowadays. I can care less if it's a movie set in America, but it's silly when it's historically or geographically inaccurate/very improbable. It's funny to always see a random black guy in a movie set in the Middle Ages, or operating a movie theatre in a Nazi-occupied France, haha.
I can't wait until there's a WWII movie in which half of the Nazi soldiers are played by non-white guys.

Hahahah Inglorious Basterds FTW!!!!!!!!

Ghost240 · 12-29-2009, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by LimeLite Racing

Hahahah Inglorious Basterds FTW!!!!!!!!

inglorious was correct though when it came to the french cinema. One black guy worked there which isn't inaccurate. France did have african's from nations where the main language was french. Good movie.

cc4usmc · 12-29-2009, 08:51 PM

I'm glad this thread has remained civil.

REVOisGO · 12-29-2009, 08:55 PM

theres a line everyone crosses that makes you hate them. i dont have a problem with any race, until they start hiding behind their race, calling other people racist, and act like they are in a worse off spot because the color of their skin. we got a (kinda)black guy as the president. you dont have anything holding you back black people.

i think bill cosby said it best, when he talked to the inner city kids, and told them that they need to stop blaming white people for their problems, get out there, get a job, be responsible for their own actions...etc. and people got mad at him for saying some real shit. thats bill motherfucking cosby.

i havent had anything handed to me. i worked for everything i have, and to see other people get a handout for the color of their skin, THAT is fucking racist.

BustedS13 · 12-29-2009, 09:02 PM

edit: cleared up

cc4usmc · 12-29-2009, 09:03 PM

Wow lol. Way to go Jesse.

Mister.E · 12-29-2009, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by cc4usmc

I'm glad this thread has remained civil.

it was...

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Originally Posted by REVOisGO

its as easy as this:

i like black people, but i fucking hate n***ers.

...and then it went quickly downhill

cc4usmc · 12-29-2009, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by E Double

it was...

...and then it went quickly downhill

Yeah, I jinxed it lol. At least the rest of the post was good

Edit: Wtf, my post count isn't going up.

Ghost240 · 12-29-2009, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by REVOisGO

theres a line everyone crosses that makes you hate them. i dont have a problem with any race, until they start hiding behind their race, calling other people racist, and act like they are in a worse off spot because the color of their skin. we got a (kinda)black guy as the president. you dont have anything holding you back black people.

i think bill cosby said it best, when he talked to the inner city kids, and told them that they need to stop blaming white people for their problems, get out there, get a job, be responsible for their own actions...etc. and people got mad at him for saying some real shit. thats bill motherfucking cosby.

i havent had anything handed to me. i worked for everything i have, and to see other people get a handout for the color of their skin, THAT is fucking racist.

I don't believe he should be pinked for quoting Chris rock.

cc4usmc · 12-29-2009, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Ghost240

I don't believe he should be pinked for quoting Chris rock.

He cleaned up his post.

Or, wait, did Chris Rock say the I like black people, don't like the other kind? I don't watch him so I dunnooo

Ghost240 · 12-29-2009, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by cc4usmc

He cleaned up his post.

Or, wait, did Chris Rock say the I like black people, don't like the other kind? I don't watch him so I dunnooo

he did a WHOLE skit on it....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsFBy7y3G04

REVOisGO · 12-29-2009, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by ghost240

he did a WHOLE skit on it....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsFBy7y3G04

bingo. thats what i was referring to. BUT! i wasnt sure if anyone caught it so i cleaned it up.

Ghost240 · 12-29-2009, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by REVOisGO

bingo. thats what i was referring to. BUT! i wasnt sure if anyone caught it so i cleaned it up.

I did as soon as ya said it lol My fav skit of all time.

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HyperTek Post Whore! Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Cali Posts: 13,222 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	nah dont ban rap.. Educate the kids better to not try to live by what they see in the media.. If your easily influenced by what you see on tv, than your just retarded. Not directed toward anyone here, but you know what I mean. However, todays young generation already idolizes material things over education. Dont point fingers at ethnicity, its happening everywhere. But yeah, whenever theres a movie on BET, its always involving some sort of hustle. =( Tune in during after-school time, 106 and Park is a positive show for kids to watch. Anyways, gotta love how this topic goes off to talk about BET.. stay on topic guys!! If anything, TV should be more wholesome and censored more. that might actually help our society. I think media influences alot of people.. esp. relationships, people judge their relationships by what htey see on tv.. dude on so and so show got multiple chicks, i need a chick like that so imma cheat on what i have. yadda yadda. __________________ Keep it Classy

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REVOisGO Leaky Injector Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Illinois Age: 33 Posts: 127 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	theres a line everyone crosses that makes you hate them. i dont have a problem with any race, until they start hiding behind their race, calling other people racist, and act like they are in a worse off spot because the color of their skin. we got a (kinda)black guy as the president. you dont have anything holding you back black people. i think bill cosby said it best, when he talked to the inner city kids, and told them that they need to stop blaming white people for their problems, get out there, get a job, be responsible for their own actions...etc. and people got mad at him for saying some real shit. thats bill motherfucking cosby. i havent had anything handed to me. i worked for everything i have, and to see other people get a handout for the color of their skin, THAT is fucking racist. __________________ TEAM GET MONEY>>> getmoneydrift.com Last edited by REVOisGO; 12-29-2009 at 09:16 PM..

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Matej Post Whore! Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: N/A Posts: 9,423 Trader Rating: (39) Feedback Score: 39 reviews	A lot of black people don't even care for BET. Or for Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson. It's so dumb how there has to be a black guy in every movie nowadays. It's completely silly when it's historically or geographically inaccurate/very improbable. It's funny to always see a random black guy in a movie set in the Middle Ages, or operating a movie theatre in Nazi-occupied France, haha. I can't wait until there's a WWII movie in which half of the Nazi soldiers are played by non-white actors.

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