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atom · 08-09-2011, 02:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by evomike

Except that it states reasons you are not allowed to deny selling an item.

Bidding without the intent of completing the purchase
Retracting a bid on an item that doesn't fall into a non-binding bid category
Backing out of the transaction due to buyer or seller remorse
Backing out of the transaction because buyers didn't place a high enough bid and the seller didn't add a reserve price
Stating in the listing that bidding could result in a binding obligation to complete the purchase

That doesn't make it illegal, it just makes it a dick move by the seller. The bidder still has no legal right to the GT-R. As a business they now have to weigh the monetary loss vs. the PR hit they are gonna take. Most of the bidders win only because the difference isn't worth the trouble. I guarantee if the guy won the GT-R with say a 10k bid he wouldn't be getting shit. 4k difference....they might work something out.

Personally I don't think any bids on ebay should be legally binding. Ebay barely does anything to protect either the seller nor the buyer so why should they be offered any of the legal protections of a real auction. God I hate ebay.

evomike · 08-09-2011, 02:18 PM

You realize he will win especially since multiple parties have won the exact same case in the past.

atom · 08-09-2011, 02:27 PM

Like I said, it's only because of the cost of going to trial, PR, etc. isn't worth the hassle. If any of the sellers took it all the way to trial they'd most likely win.

evomike · 08-09-2011, 02:32 PM

They would most likely win they did win a BMW m3 and a challenger srt8 for a good amount below sticker.

atom · 08-09-2011, 02:39 PM

............I feel like I'm repeating myself.

Do you not understand the distinction between the bidder getting the car and the bidder winning a case in a court of law?

evomike · 08-09-2011, 02:42 PM

They took it to court and won

atom · 08-09-2011, 02:50 PM

Jesus, no they didn't. There was never a trial, there was never a legal ruling. Every case was settled out of court.

amdnivram · 08-09-2011, 02:52 PM

you do realize that settling is not winning the case, and like you stated vehicle auctions are not binding bids so there is no case. So its completely up to the dealership to say fuck off and good bye. I mean with the bad publicity they already got, why even bother? I doubt giving in will remove all the threads and etc. For all the time/money the op is going to waste in court, he might as well just pay the asking price or find a similar price on near him.

Highway Riding · 08-09-2011, 03:18 PM

Stealerships suck!

tricky_ab · 08-09-2011, 03:45 PM

The internet is serious business! People seem to forget that. Though, it might not make a strong case for this guy. I would have kept in on the down low, and see if I could settle it before blowing it up on the net...

word sux · 08-09-2011, 04:40 PM

they made a contract with ebay

i think you are all forgetting how BIG ebay is... one little dealership does not stand a chance against ebay and I doubt ebay is going to sit by and be made to look bad.

*!Zar!* · 08-09-2011, 05:51 PM

Everyone keeps crying about bad publicity.

I would have never heard about this menial ass issue if it wasn't for the OP.

How is this any different from any other case of someone not getting what they wanted to buy?

The dealership never ACCEPTED the money from him either.

HyperTek · 08-09-2011, 05:54 PM

UPDATE! After our post elicited a flurry of stories throughout the automotive universe thanks to our readers tipping off every forum in the known universe, Honda of San Marcos relented to the pressure and has agreed to honor the initial eBay sale. All is well that ends well... we hope. We've put in a call to Xou Vang for a comment and should hear back from him shortly.

Dealer refuses to honor Nissan GT-R eBay auction (UPDATE!)

*s13 @ fullboost* · 08-09-2011, 06:02 PM

So awesome I <3 the internet

SimpleS14 · 08-09-2011, 06:13 PM

That's good. I hope the car isn't thrashed or liced with something nasty before he gets it. lol

tqstarburst · 08-09-2011, 06:14 PM

Seems like they lost their Godzilla.

http://wot.motortrend.com/gt-r-for-55100-dealer-latest-to-refuse-to-honor-ebay-auction-105645.html#ixzz1UZqUA1bj

silverarrow27 · 08-09-2011, 07:54 PM

Nice, that means I should be able to afford to buy one soon comfortably.

tricky_ab · 08-09-2011, 07:57 PM

This guy lives in Alaska? If so good for him, he will be able to drive this 3 months out of the year.

silviaguy240 · 08-09-2011, 08:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheWolf

Yep Legal binding bid. doesn't matter if they had a reserve at one point but they lifted it or the reserve was met. Technically they gotta sell him the car..

The funny thing is someone bought it for a year and a half and put 30k + on it in california.. then moved to texas.. only put 1200 miles on it in 6 months.. and then traded it in at a honda dealership..

I bet it's the personal car of the dealership's sales guy.. Just can't see what someone would trade a GTR into a honda dealership for..

two cars...or they possibly bought it at an auction for a good price. they probably gave whoever 45-50k if it was traded in, so say someone wanted a loaded pilot and like an accord or civic for their wife, thats well over 45-50k.

jesse_s13 · 08-09-2011, 08:43 PM

I just posted on there fb

Gnnr · 08-09-2011, 08:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HyperTek

UPDATE! After our post elicited a flurry of stories throughout the automotive universe thanks to our readers tipping off every forum in the known universe, Honda of San Marcos relented to the pressure and has agreed to honor the initial eBay sale. All is well that ends well... we hope. We've put in a call to Xou Vang for a comment and should hear back from him shortly.

Dealer refuses to honor Nissan GT-R eBay auction (UPDATE!)

word sux · 08-09-2011, 09:21 PM

like i said not a surprise at all

if ebay got involved it would have been alot worse for them...

Sideways570sx · 08-09-2011, 09:35 PM

i wanna come up on a GTR! haha

ronmcdon · 08-10-2011, 12:01 AM

if the publicity is bad enough that you have to close your Facebook account then that shows there's damage enough.
Hope this is coming out of that asshole randy's paycheck
(internet sales manager who was likely responsible for it all).

Corbic · 08-10-2011, 04:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by !Zar!

Everyone keeps crying about bad publicity.

I would have never heard about this menial ass issue if it wasn't for the OP.

How is this any different from any other case of someone not getting what they wanted to buy?

The dealership never ACCEPTED the money from him either.

Exactly, Joe-schmuck buying an Accord never heard of this and could careless.

Corbic · 08-10-2011, 04:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by word sux

like i said not a surprise at all

if ebay got involved it would have been alot worse for them...

How?! Did you read anything? Bays own policy is that in real-estate and automotive auctions the seller has no obligation to sell.

ronmcdon · 08-10-2011, 04:31 AM

Are there any LEGAL liabilities for the dealer in this instance?
If the seller has no obligation to sell it might seem that no legal contracts were broken.
(even if it were, I don't see it going past small claims court)

DenkiMan! · 08-10-2011, 07:03 AM

yea i didnt realize gtr's got so cheap lol, found this craigslist posting for a rhd gtr for 59k...say whaaaa

2007 NISSAN SKYLINE GTR

onehundredoctane · 08-10-2011, 07:47 AM

EBAY are serious bidness.

tricky_ab · 08-10-2011, 08:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DenkiMan!

yea i didnt realize gtr's got so cheap lol, found this craigslist posting for a rhd gtr for 59k...say whaaaa

2007 NISSAN SKYLINE GTR

The pricing is looking good to me. Though modding it would cost a mint. It's almost at a comfortable price range...

08-09-2011, 05:51 PM	#42
!Zar! Premium Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: North Korea Posts: 14,576 Trader Rating: (27) Feedback Score: 27 reviews	Everyone keeps crying about bad publicity. I would have never heard about this menial ass issue if it wasn't for the OP. How is this any different from any other case of someone not getting what they wanted to buy? The dealership never ACCEPTED the money from him either. __________________

08-09-2011, 05:54 PM	#43
HyperTek Post Whore! Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Cali Posts: 13,222 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	UPDATE! After our post elicited a flurry of stories throughout the automotive universe thanks to our readers tipping off every forum in the known universe, Honda of San Marcos relented to the pressure and has agreed to honor the initial eBay sale. All is well that ends well... we hope. We've put in a call to Xou Vang for a comment and should hear back from him shortly. Dealer refuses to honor Nissan GT-R eBay auction (UPDATE!) __________________ Keep it Classy

08-09-2011, 06:02 PM	#44
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08-09-2011, 06:13 PM	#45
SimpleS14 Post Whore! Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Philly Age: 38 Posts: 9,185 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: SimpleS14 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	That's good. I hope the car isn't thrashed or liced with something nasty before he gets it. lol __________________ *Goals are dreams with a deadline.* L.H.O.O.Q.

08-09-2011, 07:54 PM	#47
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08-09-2011, 02:18 PM	#32
evomike Zilvia Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: philly Age: 39 Posts: 233 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	You realize he will win especially since multiple parties have won the exact same case in the past.

08-09-2011, 02:27 PM	#33
atom Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: San Francisco Posts: 1,196 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Like I said, it's only because of the cost of going to trial, PR, etc. isn't worth the hassle. If any of the sellers took it all the way to trial they'd most likely win.

08-09-2011, 02:32 PM	#34
evomike Zilvia Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: philly Age: 39 Posts: 233 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	They would most likely win they did win a BMW m3 and a challenger srt8 for a good amount below sticker.

08-09-2011, 02:39 PM	#35
atom Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: San Francisco Posts: 1,196 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	............I feel like I'm repeating myself. Do you not understand the distinction between the bidder getting the car and the bidder winning a case in a court of law?

08-09-2011, 02:42 PM	#36
evomike Zilvia Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: philly Age: 39 Posts: 233 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	They took it to court and won

08-09-2011, 02:50 PM	#37
atom Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: San Francisco Posts: 1,196 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Jesus, no they didn't. There was never a trial, there was never a legal ruling. Every case was settled out of court.

08-09-2011, 03:18 PM	#39
Highway Riding Zilvia Addict Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Out on the Highway! Posts: 602 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Stealerships suck!

08-09-2011, 03:45 PM	#40
tricky_ab Post Whore! Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: It's dark, and hell is hot! Posts: 9,413 Trader Rating: (23) Feedback Score: 23 reviews	The internet is serious business! People seem to forget that. Though, it might not make a strong case for this guy. I would have kept in on the down low, and see if I could settle it before blowing it up on the net...

08-09-2011, 04:40 PM	#41
word sux Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: earth Age: 59 Posts: 1,138 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	they made a contract with ebay i think you are all forgetting how BIG ebay is... one little dealership does not stand a chance against ebay and I doubt ebay is going to sit by and be made to look bad.

08-09-2011, 06:14 PM	#46
tqstarburst Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Texas Age: 29 Posts: 1,314 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	Seems like they lost their Godzilla. http://wot.motortrend.com/gt-r-for-55100-dealer-latest-to-refuse-to-honor-ebay-auction-105645.html#ixzz1UZqUA1bj

08-09-2011, 07:57 PM	#48
tricky_ab Post Whore! Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: It's dark, and hell is hot! Posts: 9,413 Trader Rating: (23) Feedback Score: 23 reviews	This guy lives in Alaska? If so good for him, he will be able to drive this 3 months out of the year.

08-09-2011, 08:43 PM	#50
jesse_s13 Nissanaholic! Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Sacramento,CA/Fresno,CA/El Paso,Tx Posts: 1,829 Trader Rating: (5) Feedback Score: 5 reviews	I just posted on there fb __________________

08-09-2011, 09:21 PM	#52
word sux Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: earth Age: 59 Posts: 1,138 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	like i said not a surprise at all if ebay got involved it would have been alot worse for them...

08-09-2011, 09:35 PM	#53
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08-10-2011, 12:01 AM	#54
ronmcdon Post Whore! Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: beverly hills Age: 86 Posts: 4,254 Trader Rating: (6) Feedback Score: 6 reviews	if the publicity is bad enough that you have to close your Facebook account then that shows there's damage enough. Hope this is coming out of that asshole randy's paycheck (internet sales manager who was likely responsible for it all).

08-10-2011, 04:31 AM	#57
ronmcdon Post Whore! Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: beverly hills Age: 86 Posts: 4,254 Trader Rating: (6) Feedback Score: 6 reviews	Are there any LEGAL liabilities for the dealer in this instance? If the seller has no obligation to sell it might seem that no legal contracts were broken. (even if it were, I don't see it going past small claims court)

08-10-2011, 07:47 AM	#59
onehundredoctane Post Whore! Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Greensborough, NC Posts: 2,783 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	EBAY are serious bidness.

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