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BOROSUN · 03-29-2012, 02:07 AM

4k console by 2013? i was calling it, closer than i imagine. so, they must be pushing 4k tv soon.

Report: Next PlayStation is Called 'Orbis,' Launching Late 2013 | CraveOnline

The Next PlayStation is Called Orbis, Sources Say. Here are the Details.

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The Next PlayStation is Called Orbis, Sources Say. Here are the Details.

While the official reveal of Sony's next home console could still be months away, if not longer, Kotaku has today learned some important details concerning the PlayStation 3's successor.

For one, the console's name—or at least its codename/working title—is apparently Orbis. And it's being planned for release in time for the 2013 holiday season.

The details in this story come from a reliable source who is not authorized to talk publicly about next-gen hardware but has shared correct information with us before. What they're telling us in specifics matches much of what we've heard and reported in generalities in recent weeks.

A Sony spokesperson declined to comment about these details, citing the company's policy not to comment on "rumors or speculation."

WHAT'S IN A NAME

Orbis. Say it out loud. Sounds a little like the word "four", doesn't it? Only it doesn't make the next PlayStation sound like a bad horror movie sequel.

It's also a name loaded with meaning. The word "Orbis" itself, from Latin, means circle, or ring, or even orbit. Not terribly helpful. Combine it with the name of Sony's new handheld system, though, and you have the common term Orbis Vita (or, in strict Latin, Orbis Vitae). Which means "The circle of life". Could the Vita be playing a very important role in the development and use of the next PlayStation home console? Maybe!

Such symbolism also suggests that rather than being a codename, like most companies employ when still developing a console (think NGP, or Durango), this might actually be the machine's final name. We don't know that, though, so keep an open mind about things.

Type in Vita.SCEdevnet.com and you arrive at Sony's portal for Vita developers. Same with NGP.SCEdevnet.com, referencing the former codename for the Vita. The PS4 version of that address gets you nowhere. PS3 does, as does Orbis.SCEDev.net, though not to any Orbis-specific portions of the site.

THE NEXT PLAYSTATION, AT A GLANCE
Is called, or at least carries the working codename, "Orbis".
Is scheduled for a Holiday 2013 release.
Won't be backwards compatible with PS3 games.
Will lock new games to a PSN account as an anti-used games measure.
New games can be bought either on Blu-Ray or downloaded.
Current specs are an AMD x64 CPU and AMD Southern Islands GPU

CURRENT SPECS

Our main source supplied some basic specs for the console, but as the future is always in motion, bear in mind these could easily change between now and the Orbis' retail release. Still, if you'd like to know what developers are being told to plan for now, here you go.
AMD x64 CPU
AMD Southern Islands GPU

The former, that's largely something we've heard before, but the latter is interesting. That's the name given to many of AMD's 2012 roster of high-end PC cards. The PS4's GPU in particular, we're told, will be capable of displaying Orbis games at a resolution of up to 4096x2160, which is far in excess of the needs of most current HDTV sets. It'll also be capable of playing 3D games in 1080p (the PS3 could only safely manage 3D at 720p).

NEXT YEAR

Our main source tell us that "select developers" have been receiving dev kits for the new console since the beginning of this year. Revised and improved versions of these kits were sent out around GDC, while more finalised beta units will be shipped to developers towards the end of 2012.

That should hopefully give developers plenty of time to have launch games ready for the Orbis' retail release, which will be in time for the 2013 holiday season. If you can remember the PS3 launch—it's OK if you can't, it was a while ago—that too was in time for the holiday shopping season (November 2006 for Japan and North America).

SO LONG, PS3 GAMES

Remember how the PlayStation 3 swiftly dropped the ability to play PS2 games? Well, our main source tell us the Orbis won't even bother, and that Sony has no plans to offer backwards compatibility for its existing catalogue of PS3 games.

SO LONG, USED GAMES

BACK IN DECEMBER... A post left on Pastebin back in December also referred to the PlayStation 4 as Orbis, calling it a codename in the same vein as Microsoft's Durango. The system specs in that post differ significantly from what Kotaku has heard, and the lack of a hard drive by default goes against the idea of downloading full games to the system.

The Pastebin post also mentions that big name developers like EA were disappointed by an Orbis much less powerful than Microsoft's next machine, so there's a chance that it's the story of an earlier prototype that didn't make the grade. We've reached out to EA for comment.

Just like the next Xbox/Durango, we've heard from multiple sources that the Orbis will likewise have some kind of anti-used games measures built into the console. Here's how our main source says it's currently shaping up: new games for the system will be available one of two ways, either on a Blu-Ray disc or as a PSN download (yes, even full retail titles). If you buy the disc, it must be locked to a single PSN account, after which you can play the game, save the whole thing to your HDD, or peg it as "downloaded" in your account history and be free to download it at a later date.

Don't think you can simply buy the disc and stay offline, though; like many PC games these days, you'll need to have a PSN account and be online to even get the thing started. UPDATE - Since some people seem to have taken this to mean the console requires an "always on" intenet connection, we've heard nothing about that. All we've heard is that you need to authenticate a new game online via the PSN.

If you then decide to trade that disc in, the pre-owned customer picking it up will be limited in what they can do. While our sources were unclear on how exactly the pre-owned customer side of things would work, it's believed used games will be limited to a trial mode or some other form of content restriction, with consumers having to pay a fee to unlock/register the full game.

This would allow used games to continue to be sold at outlets such as GameStop, while also appeasing major publishers who would no longer have to implement their own haphazard approaches to "online passes".

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That's all we've got for you at the moment. Remember, none of this information is confirmed, and even the information that is locked down in March 2012 may change before the console's eventual release. This is just what we've been told Sony is working on and planning for as of today. That being the case, how do you think it's shaping up?

LoneStarSilvia · 03-29-2012, 02:37 AM

Really, no used games?

I realize that's just one point to focus on, but that blows dick. So basically pay full retail, or just wait forever and a day to buy it on sale. That's really gay.

theronin · 03-29-2012, 04:31 AM

not being backwards compatible is a fucking slap in the face. so asinine.

Enna · 03-29-2012, 04:58 AM

I've already gotten used to the idea of it. If you already have the system then why worry, just take good care of it.

ZenkiKid · 03-29-2012, 06:55 AM

The no used games thing is no big deal to me. Used PS3 games are fucking expensive as it is, might as well spring the extra to get a brand new disk.

*fliprayzin240sx* · 03-29-2012, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by ZenkiKid

The no used games thing is no big deal to me. Used PS3 games are fucking expensive as it is, might as well spring the extra to get a brand new disk.

You know you can get games from other people for cheaper than you can get them from gamestop right? Sounds like they're gonna follow how certain PC games are, where you'd need to get a user code to be able to play a game. I fucking hate that shit...I just paid $50 for a game, I dont like it, can't sell it to somebody else for close to what I paid for because I already used the code. Sony just keeps fucking themselves over and over again...I'm closer and closer to saying fuck you and just keep trucking on with my Xbox.

BOROSUN · 03-29-2012, 08:37 AM

I have no problem with it, I keep most of my old games and I barely buy used anymore.

*exitspeed* · 03-29-2012, 09:07 AM

The rumor mill has been on fire with PS4 stuff lately.

SochBAT · 03-29-2012, 09:07 AM

I HATE that shit. I always buy used.

Fuck dat hoe.

sidewaysil80 · 03-29-2012, 09:34 AM

The game makers have finally caught on. They must lose a metric shit ton of money on the used game market. If a game is bought at retail and then sold used twice, they lost two sales. Multiply that by all the games out there and you can see the impact it would have on sales. To be honest it's the same with car parts, people blame knock offs but the used part market is just as guilty. If a part is purchased once and sold multiple times (sometimes 3-4 times) that's hurting the company just as bad.

I don't like because I buy random used games from gamestop while i'm waiting for a title to release, but I totally understand it and see the reason behind it.

My question is, I thought the latest and greatest as of a couple months ago was that no next gen systems where on the horizon due to the fact that current software/game developers weren't even close to maxing out the hardware of the current systems...

Marcus · 03-29-2012, 10:00 AM

great. all this means to me::: another 6 years before the next Gran Turismo is released.

BOROSUN · 03-29-2012, 10:01 AM

what i was thinking, most old or new games will become available via downloadable and is/become usually cheaper thru psn store.
just like most current pc games you buy on stores and then later have to sign up to orgin or steam, just to install or play it.

they have not been able to max current tech, yet. but, 4k can push 3d technology and sofware which sony has been trying to push. they have been maxing ps3 old tech, though.

VNG704 · 03-29-2012, 10:29 AM

Can't play used? Besides that forcing people to buy new, why the heck not? Stupidest thing I've ever heard. Selling point for many people.

SochBAT · 03-29-2012, 12:22 PM

"Man, that game looks so fucking cool!"

Buy new game. I am disappoint.

Lost ~$60.

-----

"Man, that game looks dopefresh!"

Buy used game. I am disappoint.

Lost ~$20 bucks.

BOROSUN · 03-29-2012, 12:31 PM

- check out dope fresh game

-Download demo

-check if game is good

-you like the game

-buy game.

or

-checkout dope fresh game

- download demo

- check if game is good

- do not like game

- you dont buy game

- tell internet bros , game sucks.

HyperTek · 03-29-2012, 12:51 PM

I like to stick to PC gaming but console has its advantages. Try starting up a conversation with your friends about halflife or doom3 and it wont go very far, talk about some console gaming Call Of Duty and they will talk for hours..

Console is great for parties though.

Enna · 03-29-2012, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by fliprayzin240sx

You know you can get games from other people for cheaper than you can get them from gamestop right? Sounds like they're gonna follow how certain PC games are, where you'd need to get a user code to be able to play a game. I fucking hate that shit...I just paid $50 for a game, I dont like it, can't sell it to somebody else for close to what I paid for because I already used the code. Sony just keeps fucking themselves over and over again...I'm closer and closer to saying fuck you and just keep trucking on with my Xbox.

Microsoft has said that they are doing the same shit with their NGC "Durango". And that was announced before this came up regarding sony doing the same shit.

atom · 03-29-2012, 03:37 PM

I don't care about the used game stuff as much as the online authentication. I hate that shit. My internet connection decided to take a dump a few days ago and I couldn't play some games because they had to authenticate some of the DLC stuff I bought.

future · 03-29-2012, 03:42 PM

Xbox > playstation.

Just saying. Since were all putting in our two cents

SochBAT · 03-29-2012, 04:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BOROSUN

- check out dope fresh game

-Download demo

-check if game is good

-you like the game

-buy game.

or

-checkout dope fresh game

- download demo

- check if game is good

- do not like game

- you dont buy game

- tell internet bros , game sucks.

I was speaking on behalf of the "Fuck Online Gaming" side of things.

Fuck online gaming because I hate being called a [insert racist/derogatory slur here] every 10 minutes.

SimpleS14 · 03-29-2012, 04:31 PM

Can't really comment on a rumor/speculation like this. I can see this method being plausible for a few titles though.

BOROSUN · 03-29-2012, 04:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SochBAT

I was speaking on behalf of the "Fuck Online Gaming" side of things.

Fuck online gaming because I hate being called a [insert racist/derogatory slur here] every 10 minutes.

what online gaming? me lost.

i'm talking about general gaming. most games release have a demo release for you to try before you buy...

SochBAT · 03-29-2012, 05:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BOROSUN

what online gaming? me lost.

i'm talking about general gaming. most games release have a demo release for you to try before you buy...

Which require you to be online...

BoostSlideWayz · 03-29-2012, 09:12 PM

Well.. ive been hearing alot of diff rumors and design concepts for ps4 .. but honestly ... im just going to stick with my ps3 for alittle while longer... ive heard sony actually said this 2012 that they dont plan on releasing another system because the ps3 still has alot of potential in the future.....

This "ORBIS" sounds more like a completely different system to me.... not backwards compatible and isnt the name playstation so to me i think its just a diff system.

TheWolf · 03-29-2012, 09:33 PM

Yeah... "circle of life".. circle jerk of getting screwed by sony more like it...

Whatever happened to just playing a game? Why do I need 24 "friends" to simultaneously voice chat while I save the princes/hostage? Some people just want to play. Not against some secret prestige noob who has 20 accounts but against descent AI.

That was the best part about games like unreal tournament was you could have AI players that were good. Not camping pussy's that hop around like bunny rabbits on crack. Oh look camper john is on his 10th care package. Surprise, it's another airstrike. I don't want to have to read gaming forums and devote endless time to memorizing every map and knowing every place to hide just to be proficient.

The PS4 might be the best thing since artificial poontang to super avid gamers but Sony is loosing it's installed base and building in features that take the fun out of gaming.

Our kids are going to grow up and get PS5's.. We're going to sit around like old people and talk about the glory days of console gaming. "You know son, there once was a time when you went to the store, bought a disc/cartridge and the game just played". "Really pops??" "Yep, you didn't have to sit through a 5gig download, entering 3 45 digit codes, verifying your visa card, doing two system updates just to play a game. Oh yes it was a simple time"

MadScientist · 03-29-2012, 10:01 PM

The no used games is more than likely a cutoff for places like GameFly!!

But I agree, I don't care to buy another consol... especially a first or second release, because my PS3 went out twice... on my 3rd... and No, I will not convert to CrashBoX!!

Not worried... the world will be dead for a year before this happens... they should take payment in MREs by then, hahahah!

lflkajfj12123 · 03-29-2012, 10:34 PM

SimpleSexy180 · 03-30-2012, 12:45 AM

^ AH WOOOO HOOOO! i loved that show.

Sony should clear up this info going around. None of this "sources" bullshit. Oh media, you get people so fired up.

irax · 03-30-2012, 01:50 AM

gah calm down guys. If PS4 and XBOX1080 both require serial codes for authentication, they will probably re-sell the code for people who buy used copies. They already do this now for newer first/second party games. How is it going to be any different than it is now ? If it works like it does now that means you can buy used games but will not have online/dlc access. If you want access to online content/dlc you will be able to buy the access for like 5-10 bucks. This is what funds the servers that let you play online. The big boys do not want to damage the already shaky grounds that most game retailers are already on. If companies stop selling games, then consoles will be next. Then all your gaming will be done on phones with adds everywhere, or on farcebook annoying the shit out of your friends and family with fucking invites. If you do not like that future, spend more money on games. Tell your friends to buy the same game so you can play together. Tell them to tell more friends and start a clan/guild/group.

Sony and Microsoft don't have to say shit about rumors. The quieter they are, the more they can read the publics reaction to what new practices/features they will have.

HyperTek · 03-30-2012, 12:17 PM

I blame COD and other console games that introduced DLC, corrupted the game world with releasing half of games and making you buy the full game in DLCs. lol

I took my laptop to a party where they didn't have internet, I could not play BF3 single player because it requires log in into Origin.

03-29-2012, 02:37 AM	#2
LoneStarSilvia Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Okinawa--->Arizona Age: 33 Posts: 1,509 Trader Rating: (5) Feedback Score: 5 reviews	Really, no used games? I realize that's just one point to focus on, but that blows dick. So basically pay full retail, or just wait forever and a day to buy it on sale. That's really gay. __________________

03-29-2012, 06:55 AM	#5
ZenkiKid Post Whore! Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Nowhere Age: 31 Posts: 3,248 Trader Rating: (9) Feedback Score: 9 reviews	The no used games thing is no big deal to me. Used PS3 games are fucking expensive as it is, might as well spring the extra to get a brand new disk. __________________ http://www.nissanroadracing.com/

03-29-2012, 09:07 AM	#8
exitspeed aWingThing.com Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Milwaukee, WI Age: 41 Posts: 20,898 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	The rumor mill has been on fire with PS4 stuff lately. __________________ What I do for a living...www.mhrussell.com

03-29-2012, 12:51 PM	#16
HyperTek Post Whore! Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Cali Posts: 13,222 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	I like to stick to PC gaming but console has its advantages. Try starting up a conversation with your friends about halflife or doom3 and it wont go very far, talk about some console gaming Call Of Duty and they will talk for hours.. Console is great for parties though. __________________ Keep it Classy

03-29-2012, 04:31 PM	#21
SimpleS14 Post Whore! Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Philly Age: 38 Posts: 9,185 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: SimpleS14 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Can't really comment on a rumor/speculation like this. I can see this method being plausible for a few titles though. __________________ *Goals are dreams with a deadline.* L.H.O.O.Q.

03-29-2012, 08:37 AM	#7
BOROSUN Post Whore! Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: two legit to quit Age: 41 Posts: 5,211 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I have no problem with it, I keep most of my old games and I barely buy used anymore.

03-29-2012, 09:07 AM	#9
SochBAT Post Whore! Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Abilene, TX Age: 35 Posts: 6,428 Trader Rating: (9) Rides Gallery: SochBAT Feedback Score: 9 reviews	I HATE that shit. I always buy used. Fuck dat hoe.

03-29-2012, 09:34 AM	#10
sidewaysil80 Nissanaholic! Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: NoVA Age: 35 Posts: 1,710 Trader Rating: (23) Feedback Score: 23 reviews	The game makers have finally caught on. They must lose a metric shit ton of money on the used game market. If a game is bought at retail and then sold used twice, they lost two sales. Multiply that by all the games out there and you can see the impact it would have on sales. To be honest it's the same with car parts, people blame knock offs but the used part market is just as guilty. If a part is purchased once and sold multiple times (sometimes 3-4 times) that's hurting the company just as bad. I don't like because I buy random used games from gamestop while i'm waiting for a title to release, but I totally understand it and see the reason behind it. My question is, I thought the latest and greatest as of a couple months ago was that no next gen systems where on the horizon due to the fact that current software/game developers weren't even close to maxing out the hardware of the current systems...

03-29-2012, 10:00 AM	#11
Marcus Nissanaholic! Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: San Diego Age: 33 Posts: 2,065 Trader Rating: (18) Feedback Score: 18 reviews	great. all this means to me::: another 6 years before the next Gran Turismo is released.

03-29-2012, 10:01 AM	#12
BOROSUN Post Whore! Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: two legit to quit Age: 41 Posts: 5,211 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	what i was thinking, most old or new games will become available via downloadable and is/become usually cheaper thru psn store. just like most current pc games you buy on stores and then later have to sign up to orgin or steam, just to install or play it. they have not been able to max current tech, yet. but, 4k can push 3d technology and sofware which sony has been trying to push. they have been maxing ps3 old tech, though.

03-29-2012, 10:29 AM	#13
VNG704 Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 1,575 Trader Rating: (17) Feedback Score: 17 reviews	Can't play used? Besides that forcing people to buy new, why the heck not? Stupidest thing I've ever heard. Selling point for many people.

03-29-2012, 12:22 PM	#14
SochBAT Post Whore! Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Abilene, TX Age: 35 Posts: 6,428 Trader Rating: (9) Rides Gallery: SochBAT Feedback Score: 9 reviews	"Man, that game looks so fucking cool!" Buy new game. I am disappoint. Lost ~$60. ----- "Man, that game looks dopefresh!" Buy used game. I am disappoint. Lost ~$20 bucks.

03-29-2012, 12:31 PM	#15
BOROSUN Post Whore! Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: two legit to quit Age: 41 Posts: 5,211 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	- check out dope fresh game -Download demo -check if game is good -you like the game -buy game. or -checkout dope fresh game - download demo - check if game is good - do not like game - you dont buy game - tell internet bros , game sucks.

03-29-2012, 03:37 PM	#18
atom Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: San Francisco Posts: 1,196 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I don't care about the used game stuff as much as the online authentication. I hate that shit. My internet connection decided to take a dump a few days ago and I couldn't play some games because they had to authenticate some of the DLC stuff I bought.

03-29-2012, 09:12 PM	#24
BoostSlideWayz Nissanaholic! Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Lebec Age: 32 Posts: 1,686 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Well.. ive been hearing alot of diff rumors and design concepts for ps4 .. but honestly ... im just going to stick with my ps3 for alittle while longer... ive heard sony actually said this 2012 that they dont plan on releasing another system because the ps3 still has alot of potential in the future..... This "ORBIS" sounds more like a completely different system to me.... not backwards compatible and isnt the name playstation so to me i think its just a diff system. __________________ 1994 toyota supra...... n-a D= 1992 nissan 240sx KA24E-T fully Built =D

03-29-2012, 09:33 PM	#25
TheWolf Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Orange Park, FL (Jax) Posts: 1,468 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Yeah... "circle of life".. circle jerk of getting screwed by sony more like it... Whatever happened to just playing a game? Why do I need 24 "friends" to simultaneously voice chat while I save the princes/hostage? Some people just want to play. Not against some secret prestige noob who has 20 accounts but against descent AI. That was the best part about games like unreal tournament was you could have AI players that were good. Not camping pussy's that hop around like bunny rabbits on crack. Oh look camper john is on his 10th care package. Surprise, it's another airstrike. I don't want to have to read gaming forums and devote endless time to memorizing every map and knowing every place to hide just to be proficient. The PS4 might be the best thing since artificial poontang to super avid gamers but Sony is loosing it's installed base and building in features that take the fun out of gaming. Our kids are going to grow up and get PS5's.. We're going to sit around like old people and talk about the glory days of console gaming. "You know son, there once was a time when you went to the store, bought a disc/cartridge and the game just played". "Really pops??" "Yep, you didn't have to sit through a 5gig download, entering 3 45 digit codes, verifying your visa card, doing two system updates just to play a game. Oh yes it was a simple time" __________________ Eye on the Prize

03-29-2012, 10:01 PM	#26
MadScientist Zilvia.net Advertiser Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: NOLA Age: 44 Posts: 1,964 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	The no used games is more than likely a cutoff for places like GameFly!! But I agree, I don't care to buy another consol... especially a first or second release, because my PS3 went out twice... on my 3rd... and No, I will not convert to CrashBoX!! Not worried... the world will be dead for a year before this happens... they should take payment in MREs by then, hahahah!

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03-30-2012, 12:45 AM	#28
SimpleSexy180 Post Whore! Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Cal Posts: 4,750 Trader Rating: (8) Rides Gallery: SimpleSexy180 Feedback Score: 8 reviews	^ AH WOOOO HOOOO! i loved that show. Sony should clear up this info going around. None of this "sources" bullshit. Oh media, you get people so fired up.

03-30-2012, 01:50 AM	#29
irax Post Whore! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: San Diego Age: 37 Posts: 4,248 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	gah calm down guys. If PS4 and XBOX1080 both require serial codes for authentication, they will probably re-sell the code for people who buy used copies. They already do this now for newer first/second party games. How is it going to be any different than it is now ? If it works like it does now that means you can buy used games but will not have online/dlc access. If you want access to online content/dlc you will be able to buy the access for like 5-10 bucks. This is what funds the servers that let you play online. The big boys do not want to damage the already shaky grounds that most game retailers are already on. If companies stop selling games, then consoles will be next. Then all your gaming will be done on phones with adds everywhere, or on farcebook annoying the shit out of your friends and family with fucking invites. If you do not like that future, spend more money on games. Tell your friends to buy the same game so you can play together. Tell them to tell more friends and start a clan/guild/group. Sony and Microsoft don't have to say shit about rumors. The quieter they are, the more they can read the publics reaction to what new practices/features they will have. __________________ Drives a BRZ and is building a V6 S12 coupe.

03-30-2012, 12:17 PM	#30
HyperTek Post Whore! Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Cali Posts: 13,222 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	I blame COD and other console games that introduced DLC, corrupted the game world with releasing half of games and making you buy the full game in DLCs. lol I took my laptop to a party where they didn't have internet, I could not play BF3 single player because it requires log in into Origin. __________________ Keep it Classy

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