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Originally Posted by SR240DET
I want to believe you but I need something to go on, some kind of secular evidence showing he did exist, which is actually kind of hard to find. If he did in fact live, without a doubt, then I am sure presenting valid, secular evidence of his existence would not be a problem.
Science can explain where people get their ethics naturally without the need of a deity. So the “spiritually correct ways to live” may go against what is natural to the human species. I really don’t care to explain, I don’t care if I influence people, but if you really want know ill send you a link that can explain in great detail and evidence to back up the theory.
We possess desire and motivation, which drives people towards prosperity. We are inherently susceptible to wanting more, and it is desire and motivation that keeps us pushing for more until we are satisfied. With out desire and motivation we cannot prosper.
Faith in a religious context is to believe without evidence, which is not desirable. When you put faith towards something you end logical reasoning and knowledge acquisition.
Hope in a religious context is also not desirable. Wanting for something to happen without doing anything. Wishful thinking will not impact reality.
I sincerely believe that this is the only life we have and we shouldn’t be satisfied with good enough. People should make the most of life now and not expect to live in an afterlife. Most Atheists capable of thinking for them selves will feel the same, and agree, we should be good to our fellow humans for the sake of being good without any expectation of a reward or some kind of punishment in an eternal afterlife.
I am steering this thread off topic so If anybody wants to comment on anything i have said then PM me.
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Like I said before you need to do more studying on your own. I am not here to spoon feed your lazy ass.
The evidence of existence is there. Like racepar said as well as I said the question of him doing miracles and being the son of god is a debated subject and possibly requires faith.
As far as your toss of ethics to being Scientific proven. You seem to be referring to the Psychiatric community and their desire to try and label every single human emotion and feeling to chemicals.
That has nothing to do with spirituality and in fact spirituality is separate from Religion . These last two points are off topic to the thread.
Oh and again I will say this go out and read a book called God according to God. It was written by a Physicist so it should not scare your atheistic self away.