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Originally Posted by drift freaq
you sir need to do more in depth study. There is plenty of real evidence to prove the existence of Jesus. That is without a doubt. As for his miracles and or his resurrection? That is debated. Though no one in historical circles doubts the man existed.
The Man existed, he preached a lot of spiritual truths, universal truths. He taught spiritually correct ways to live. If people would stop getting themselves mucked up with their misinterpretations of the bible and just focus on these things they would realize he was quite valuable and influential to man.
Is the religions that have sprung up in his name completely right or correct? Not always. Show me any man in this world that adheres to all the spiritual truths and follows them completely without being sinful or corruptible, and I will show you a monk or someone who is dead.
I.E. man is not perfect, man lies, man gets corrupted by power etc... If we were perfect we would either be monks or not exist.
Therefore given that you cannot expect the bible to exactly perfect or correct. It has been handed down through the ages by man.
Does that mean God or Jesus cannot exist? Hell no. It just means you can't take all of it word for word but you cannot condemn all of it as being nothing but fiction.
The Jews killed in the name of god, the Christians killed in the name of god, Islam has killed in the name of god. Why? Because man has free will giving one the decision to choose , right, wrong, amoral, moral, good, evil. Its up to us to try and adhere to living right.
To many people get caught up in trying to prove existence. Try to learn from the teachings, oh and faith is a important thing in life as well. Faith is really what gives people hope and the drive to be better.
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I want to believe you but I need something to go on, some kind of secular evidence showing he did exist, which is actually kind of hard to find. If he did in fact live, without a doubt, then I am sure presenting valid, secular evidence of his existence would not be a problem.
Science can explain where people get their ethics naturally without the need of a deity. So the “spiritually correct ways to live” may go against what is natural to the human species. I really don’t care to explain, I don’t care if I influence people, but if you really want know ill send you a link that can explain in great detail and evidence to back up the theory.
We possess desire and motivation, which drives people towards prosperity. We are inherently susceptible to wanting more, and it is desire and motivation that keeps us pushing for more until we are satisfied. With out desire and motivation we cannot prosper.
Faith in a religious context is to believe without evidence, which is not desirable. When you put faith towards something you end logical reasoning and knowledge acquisition.
Hope in a religious context is also not desirable. Wanting for something to happen without doing anything. Wishful thinking will not impact reality.
I sincerely believe that this is the only life we have and we shouldn’t be satisfied with good enough. People should make the most of life now and not expect to live in an afterlife. Most Atheists capable of thinking for them selves will feel the same, and agree, we should be good to our fellow humans for the sake of being good without any expectation of a reward or some kind of punishment in an eternal afterlife.
I am steering this thread off topic so If anybody wants to comment on anything i have said then PM me.