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aaronlosey · 01-04-2011, 07:03 PM

Here is a primer for our Texas series to get everyone ready. We are doing posts on most of the cars running the series to get people excited!

Original post link:
http://www.fabricatedmotorsports.com...rads_AE86.html

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We finally did something I have been meaning to do for quite some time over at Fabricated Motorsports. I have been saying we should get as many Texas drift cars together and get real data together on them, and that others like Formula D should as well. It would be interesting to see how much all these drift cars really put down to the ground, how much they weigh, and how much steering angle they have. I’m curious about their overall build types too, and the differences between them, but lets start with the easy to measure stuff! Lately we have had an explosion of V8 cars, even AE86s aren’t immune. So what is the difference between a 4AG AE86 and a 1UZ AE86? We found out!

I am going to release this data in a few posts to make things a bit more digestible. I also in no way want to make people think one type of car is obviously better than the others. There are things we didn’t test for which are so important, such as the beautiful 1JZ sound, actual acceleration numbers, etc. I plan to get some of these in the future, but this was a simple test to get things started. Also, remember drifting is all about fun, and you don’t need the latest and greatest car to go have fun, and in fact, often that is a large hinderance to performance. Having a car you can wreck into walls and destroy is often a more competitive car than the one that is too special to hurt, even at half the hp.

So, on to Brads little Rolla. I remember when this car used to belong to Bill way back in the day. It was a super nice and capable car back then, and it has only gotten better with time. Brad took the NA 4AG pretty far, and was making good power and making crazy noise, but I think he caught the V8 bug just like the rest of us. First of all, it should be said the V8 bug isn’t always about having lots of power, it is all about not having to work on a fussy 4 banger anymore! I don’t think everyone always understands this, when you get a V8 right, you never open the hood, you just drive! Anyways, that V8 gives him the ability to have usable torque anywhere from just after idle, all the way up to 7K rpm. A typical 4AG makes no real tq, but has to stay about 5K to stay in drift. That is the same with a turbo, big cams, whatever. This little monster is completely different. After the V8 swap the car weighs 2337 lbs, which appears to have added around 300 lbs to the car over the equivalent stock motor car. We are arriving at these numbers by looking at the other AE86s we weighed in the same day, on the same scales, with similar levels of stripped interior, cage, etc. One conclusion we can draw from this is the V8 AE86 weighs about 100 lbs less than a stripped out S13 with an SR20 in race shape. Kinda interesting. It was also interesting that this car was the almost the most nose heavy car of all our group, which isn’t necessarily a bad thing, but an interesting thing. It had a front weight distribution of 57%. However under further inspection of the other AE86s, this is only 1% more front heavy than a 4AG car, so although it is fairly front heavy, it isn’t really more so than it started off, so you can’t blame this on the V8 swap. The lowest front weight % of any of our cars was 53.8, and the highest was 59. All the cars fit nicely in a 6 % spread, which was smaller than I thought it would be.

On to the angle. The car has 48 degrees of steering angle. Pretty simple statistic there, and that puts it mid pack. The more angle the steering of the car has, theoretically the more angle it can hold in drift, and as a plus, the less you spin out LOL. Steering angle is rad, and once you have big steering angle, you don’t want to go back! Big steering angle in this test was 55 degrees or more.

So in conclusion this little V8 car has power on demand anywhere in its power band, runs super smooth and like stock all the time, looks great, and drifts well. I would love to hear it with some sweet headers, and not really anything else needs to be added. Anything else might detract from the car as it sits now. While 227 whp might not seem like a lot of power for a V8, this is a lot of usable power for an AE86, and if he ever gets the itch a set of cams and headers with a tune would make even more usable power! AWESOME CAR BRAD!

http://fabricatedmotorsports.com/ima...V8_Corolla.pdf

01-04-2011, 07:03 PM	#3
aaronlosey Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: texas Posts: 321 Trader Rating: (2)	Here is a primer for our Texas series to get everyone ready. We are doing posts on most of the cars running the series to get people excited! Original post link: http://www.fabricatedmotorsports.com...rads_AE86.html --------------- We finally did something I have been meaning to do for quite some time over at Fabricated Motorsports. I have been saying we should get as many Texas drift cars together and get real data together on them, and that others like Formula D should as well. It would be interesting to see how much all these drift cars really put down to the ground, how much they weigh, and how much steering angle they have. I’m curious about their overall build types too, and the differences between them, but lets start with the easy to measure stuff! Lately we have had an explosion of V8 cars, even AE86s aren’t immune. So what is the difference between a 4AG AE86 and a 1UZ AE86? We found out! I am going to release this data in a few posts to make things a bit more digestible. I also in no way want to make people think one type of car is obviously better than the others. There are things we didn’t test for which are so important, such as the beautiful 1JZ sound, actual acceleration numbers, etc. I plan to get some of these in the future, but this was a simple test to get things started. Also, remember drifting is all about fun, and you don’t need the latest and greatest car to go have fun, and in fact, often that is a large hinderance to performance. Having a car you can wreck into walls and destroy is often a more competitive car than the one that is too special to hurt, even at half the hp. So, on to Brads little Rolla. I remember when this car used to belong to Bill way back in the day. It was a super nice and capable car back then, and it has only gotten better with time. Brad took the NA 4AG pretty far, and was making good power and making crazy noise, but I think he caught the V8 bug just like the rest of us. First of all, it should be said the V8 bug isn’t always about having lots of power, it is all about not having to work on a fussy 4 banger anymore! I don’t think everyone always understands this, when you get a V8 right, you never open the hood, you just drive! Anyways, that V8 gives him the ability to have usable torque anywhere from just after idle, all the way up to 7K rpm. A typical 4AG makes no real tq, but has to stay about 5K to stay in drift. That is the same with a turbo, big cams, whatever. This little monster is completely different. After the V8 swap the car weighs 2337 lbs, which appears to have added around 300 lbs to the car over the equivalent stock motor car. We are arriving at these numbers by looking at the other AE86s we weighed in the same day, on the same scales, with similar levels of stripped interior, cage, etc. One conclusion we can draw from this is the V8 AE86 weighs about 100 lbs less than a stripped out S13 with an SR20 in race shape. Kinda interesting. It was also interesting that this car was the almost the most nose heavy car of all our group, which isn’t necessarily a bad thing, but an interesting thing. It had a front weight distribution of 57%. However under further inspection of the other AE86s, this is only 1% more front heavy than a 4AG car, so although it is fairly front heavy, it isn’t really more so than it started off, so you can’t blame this on the V8 swap. The lowest front weight % of any of our cars was 53.8, and the highest was 59. All the cars fit nicely in a 6 % spread, which was smaller than I thought it would be. On to the angle. The car has 48 degrees of steering angle. Pretty simple statistic there, and that puts it mid pack. The more angle the steering of the car has, theoretically the more angle it can hold in drift, and as a plus, the less you spin out LOL. Steering angle is rad, and once you have big steering angle, you don’t want to go back! Big steering angle in this test was 55 degrees or more. So in conclusion this little V8 car has power on demand anywhere in its power band, runs super smooth and like stock all the time, looks great, and drifts well. I would love to hear it with some sweet headers, and not really anything else needs to be added. Anything else might detract from the car as it sits now. While 227 whp might not seem like a lot of power for a V8, this is a lot of usable power for an AE86, and if he ever gets the itch a set of cams and headers with a tune would make even more usable power! AWESOME CAR BRAD! http://fabricatedmotorsports.com/ima...V8_Corolla.pdf Last edited by aaronlosey; 01-04-2011 at 07:33 PM..